Warning About Toyota Cars

[EvilAgent]

I agree with the deffects of some but not all. Anything that you owned from a cellphone to a car... it all depends on how well you know ur things.

 

So be very careful when buying and take care of it for it to last to its maximum life span.

[dominoneedsu]

the thread starter is angry with toyota..well, we cant blame him. We did'nt went thru the situations that he experienced. Here are my opinion on this case.

 

A car is not perfect, it is designed and made by man. When you buy a car, it is expected that in a certain period, you will be required to do some minor and major repair depending on the KMs it travelled, the road conditions and mostly the driving style of the one using it. There are also rare cases wherein new cars will breakdown prematurely due to unseen manufacturing deffects. Remember guys, the breakdown of cars is not BRAND DEPENDENT. All of them have inherent advantage and disadvantage, thats why each one of us buys a different model or brand because we have our own way of choosing.

 

It is unfair to label Toyota Cars as bad. As if we were saying that the Millions of people using toyota cars are wrong?! Maybe, just maybe the batch that was bought have manufacturing deffect, but a company will not put a BRANDED product that has design deffect. I do not believe that the oil pump of a 1.6 toyota engine is undersized for the unit. Cmon, the amount of oil circulating the lubrication system is design with a safety factor of 2. This is because the designer takes into consideration the clugging of the system from the pump down to the filters.

 

If your car suffers this deffect, what about the 199,000 thousand more that bought the same model on the same year? i think there's only 3 of you that has complained online about this. Mind you guys, i dont work ON TOYOTA. My cars are not toyota, except my first owner type jeep that was assembled out of every available junk on the market. I am just presenting here a different opinion. I always tell my friends about buying a car.

 

"If you dont have a problem and likes to have one...then buy a car"

 

"Your life depends on the car you are driving, so treat your car nicely, listen to its sounds and be gentle with her, change the oil at manufacturers adviced intervals, change filters, brake pad, etc. and keep a record of what you did to your car" this will improve the second hand value of your car if the maintenance record is available."

 

"The acquisition cost is only 1/3 of your expense. The other 1/3 is the maintenance and the last 1/3 is the operating expenses"

 

"If the maintenance is becoming a head ache..SELL IT!

 

To be worry free (almost) change car every 3-5 yrs..below 100T Km..like the japanese. Actually this last one is the best solution to your problem..PEACE bro.

[sparkplug]

my friend has a problem with his innova G dsl,

 

just last nov, when he was driving and steps on the breaks, just when coming to a complete stop the engine stalls,

he restarted and just like what happened earlier the engine stalled again when he was just about to stop.

 

he brought it to a toyota dealer and the service adviser said it was the fuel pump. the dealer replaced

it but still the problem remained. The car is just a year old and still under warranty, he said he didn't do anything

to the engine that could have caused the problem.

 

As for me im not having problems with my innova V since its still almost brand new and has a gasoline engine.

 

Up to now he is still having problems with his innova, but now it seldom stalls when braking but the engine

sounds different. a little noisy than ordinary. He is planning to sell it to free himself from the headaches.

 

I hope he resolves his problem with his car.

[tacio]

actually, benz ngayon madami problema. sa u.s, toyota na number one. at nasa top 3 in terms of reliability. so tama, malas na lang kung lemon ang nakuha mo. pero dapat under warranty yan, minsan yun dealer pinapahirapan customer nila.

 

one time bumili kia carnival kaibigan ko. lemon nakuha nila. every week for the first month meron bagong sira nakikita. sinubukan ayusin naman ng dealer nila pero palpak pa din. nagsawa na at nagalit yun dad ng friend ko so nagreklamo mismo sa kia head office. in the end, pinalitan buong car nila kahit 2-3 month used na. ok naman yun replaement car. meron na lang problem sa aircon pero naayos naman.

 

The problem is magkaiba ang model line up sa states saka dito sa pinas. sa states magaganda models nilalabas nila kasi the gov't protects the consumers. e dito di lahat ng models maganda. madami din me problema. mas safe cguro kung yung model na pipiliin mo is sold globally. By the way, I drive a toyota. but its a model sold globally. ok reliability pero performance has a lot of room for improvement. small things na dapat naperfect nila like weaker brakes when compared to other similar model and the transmission is not smooth and slow. kaya siguro na ngkaroon ng reputation toyota na reliable but boring

[gatz]

I agree with some of the posters that it really depends on how you use and care for the vehicle. Now if you just got your car and the defect shows after a week or so and it happened to a lot of units and different lines then that is a different case, with that you can label the car manufacturer as dump. Just my 2 cents. I also had a bad experience with our vios, its brand new and the aircon smells like a damp rag right after opening the a/c. same thing with the vios of my other friends. VIOS is a lemon product period. You have a Vios? sucks to be us.

[hondacity]

sounds like marami lng talaga complaints...

 

why don't you get another car from another manufacturer..if you complain again...try the next one....and the next

 

if you get the perfect car..sure ...then it breaks..now you complain again...

 

the cycle goes on...

 

i think toyota is overall ok...we got a vios(lil sis), camry(dad) an innova (family use), and fortuner(bro)..and so far they've been good

[rayt64]

I have a friend who has a brand new TOYOTA Vios and sira agad makina. Yung early version of Vios may issue daw na pumpaling front wheel pakanan.

 

I read early post here that there is a change oil problem with the owner that caused the black smoke and overhauling issue.

 

Comment lang, I have a 97 Honda Civic VTEC PH16 engine that I neglected engine oil change maitim na nga oil nya at malapot na before I change it. I use shell ferrari oil when it became available and before holy week lang oil change ko. I always go to Tagaytay, La Union, Baguio, Laguna, Quezon daily for vacation or work related.

 

10k to 15k before ako mag oil change pero sa user manual it should be every 5k. My car is 140k now and no engine repair yet except timing belt and fan belt replacement after 88k.

 

I also observed Brand New Altis or other Toyotas with busted Tail or Brake lamps after 1 year. My Honda Civic took 4 years before only 1 busted brake lamp and until this day no busted tail or brake lamps yet.

 

BTW I'm a crazy driver as I rev past 5,000 RPM to achieve 60-80 kph at 2nd gear and 100-120 kph on 2nd gear. Still no engine trouble and clean smoke from the tail pipe.

 

I seldom open my hood to check my car. Therefore Honda is really DURABLE and FAST but EXPENSIVE SPARE PARTS!

[kanski]

sounds like marami lng talaga complaints...

 

why don't you get another car from another manufacturer..if you complain again...try the next one....and the next

 

if you get the perfect car..sure ...then it breaks..now you complain again...

 

the cycle goes on...

 

i think toyota is overall ok...we got a vios(lil sis), camry(dad) an innova (family use), and fortuner(bro)..and so far they've been good

 

 

hondacity goes for toyotas.

[restlesszero]

toyota q.a. has a reputation, dati sa honda q.a. across toyota naloko din ako ng mechanic.... whats with q.a service centers and dealers?

 

bottomline... no matter how new or convenient the dealers are with their flashy neat showrooms and all...

 

it boils down to the mechanics or the personnel they employ..... maski maganda system.. yung mga tao ang sumisira.

 

personally i go to Toyota cubao maski 5 mins away ako from Toyota Q.a.

 

i guess the service and efficiency as well as trust is worth more than the distance.

[BigJ]

i have a bad experience also sa toyota, specially the toyota balintawak, way back year 2000, i bought my altis 1.8 limited edition, i seldom use it but i always make it a point to run the engine everyday, para hindi magstuck up ang engine at gulong, after 1 month, when i was my car there is a leak sa passenger side, i immediately bought it back to toyota balintawak, ang ginawa lang nila ay tinulak lang ang pinto ay in ONE man power pushing the door, as in kala mo ma kaya niya e bent tapos ayun solve na daw ang problem, take note under sa warranty pa yun car ko ah, i demand for a total explanation on the reason why there is a leakage ang sagot wala naman ah. just like that they tell me as in TELL me to bring the car home and observe it. the leak happens again around 3 to 5 times and i keep bring it back, hanggang di na nila ako entertain. since i pay it in full, wala na sila pakialam. so what i did i bring it to a autoshop near our house, they found out na may defect lang yung rubber kaya nag leak, pinalitan at kaboom problem solve no leakage. this is how stupid, irresponsible and most of all selfish Unscrupulous businessman they are.

 

kaya the best way to protect your car, know a good autoshop, pay a little bit more, pero at least you could see what they are doing to your cars, hindi tulad ng mga casa may tinatago at mandaraya

[wallace]

May downside pala toyota. Hmmmmmm.

[sleep_heavy]

Hi there, I'm read your original post in Tsikot about your Altis. If you are posing a warning, you have to mention that you didn't follow the recommended oil change schedule. That's the first rule about maintaining your car's engine.

 

Also, Toyota Quezon Avenue has the worse reputation among all the casas of Toyota. I experienced that first hand when i had my Vios brought there for it's 1st 1,000 km checkup. Lousy service and they even damaged my car's paint. I normally have my car serviced at Toyota Shaw before and now at Toyota Otis. It's already 41,000km and counting.

Btw, I'm not working for Toyota nor am i connected them in any way.

 

I concur. Quezon Av. has the worse reputation... something to note though... the girls in their show room here are very stunning... consuelo de bobo :upside: just my observation....

 

[Guest foxtrotbravo]

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Edited August 28, 2008 by foxtrotbravo

[Guest foxtrotbravo]

toyota q.a. has a reputation, dati sa honda q.a. across toyota naloko din ako ng mechanic.... whats with q.a service centers and dealers?

 

bottomline... no matter how new or convenient the dealers are with their flashy neat showrooms and all...

 

it boils down to the mechanics or the personnel they employ..... maski maganda system.. yung mga tao ang sumisira.

 

personally i go to Toyota cubao maski 5 mins away ako from Toyota Q.a.

 

i guess the service and efficiency as well as trust is worth more than the distance.

 

same here. my wife bought her altis a few years back from toyota quezon ave. 35k kilometers later, ayun umuusok na. parang bltb bus. they had the gall to tell me na kami daw may mali dahil di daw maayos pagkamaintain. 'tang...a, nakailang kotse na kami over the years, nothing like this happened. and we never changed our driving habits naman! they will never admit something is wrong with the model! b.s. talaga!

[tanyen]

:thumbsdownsmiley: TOYOTA SUCKS :thumbsdownsmiley:

[tarbu]

ive been using fortuner 2.5 for almost 3yrs now. so far ang complaint ko lang ay ang tigas ng shocks!

pero astig pa rin kahit luma na.

[gimmickb4work]

I was at the DANNY's CARWASH and CAR AIRCON SPECIALIST along BONI AVE. this afternoon to have my old but fast and efficient TOYOTA CORONA EXSIOR be subjected to CAR AIRCON CLEANING and FREON CHARGING... Then I saw some new TOYOTA VIOS arriving. One had a busted motor fan and the other had an aircon problem. I noticed the lady in the passenger's seat sweating in a brand new TOYOTA VIOS!

 

Then the mechanic told me that they usually get alot of service requests and jobs from owners of brand new TOYOTA cars and most are due to defects since "TAIWAN" daw kasi halos ang mga parts. Well, I noticed that perhaps the guy was merely referring to new cars having poor quality now because of the way mass production is being done with cheap labor in most asian countries.

 

As for me, I have been driving my car for so long without any major faults except for the need to have it repainted to restore elegance. Nonetheless, at 200K for over s pan of 10 years of ownership and long drives plus an average speed of 100KPH in EDSA and 100-160KPH at NLEX, I am very much happy with my TOYOTA car! The quality of TOYOTAs made then is far better than the TOYOTAs made now.

[jupiter5]

change oil in every 5T kms? that's one big bull of a myth!

cars nowadays should be waay better in efficiency and maintenance.

 

"Greatly improved oils, including synthetic oils, coupled with better engines mean longer spans between oil changes without harming an engine. The 3000 mile interval is a carryover from days when engines used single-grade, non-detergent oils."

 

http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_cont...il-change-myth/

 

honda ko kahit 3 taon na yata di nag change oil it was NEVER sluggish, lalo na pag kumagat yung VTEC.

[cyrus08]

mag-honda na lang kayo guys. hehehe

[superfunkibey]

change oil in every 5T kms? that's one big bull of a myth!

cars nowadays should be waay better in efficiency and maintenance.

 

"Greatly improved oils, including synthetic oils, coupled with better engines mean longer spans between oil changes without harming an engine. The 3000 mile interval is a carryover from days when engines used single-grade, non-detergent oils."

 

http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_cont...il-change-myth/

 

honda ko kahit 3 taon na yata di nag change oil it was NEVER sluggish, lalo na pag kumagat yung VTEC.

 

 

I'm glad someone here actually uses common sense and doesn't try to be a pseudo-mechanic by insisting on the regular 5k change oil, which btw is just the companies way of guaranteeing more income for them.

 

 

Btw, I agree with a previous poster who said the quality of cars has deteriorated since the good old days. Aside from the obvious "gawa sa lata" tag, seems integral parts like oil pumps, fans, sensors and the like conk out way before their due.

 

Ironic that in this age of new and improved technology somethings things are made in inferior quality to their past counterparts.

[wilmer ong]

the thread starter is angry with toyota..well, we cant blame him. We did'nt went thru the situations that he experienced. Here are my opinion on this case.

 

A car is not perfect, it is designed and made by man. When you buy a car, it is expected that in a certain period, you will be required to do some minor and major repair depending on the KMs it travelled, the road conditions and mostly the driving style of the one using it. There are also rare cases wherein new cars will breakdown prematurely due to unseen manufacturing deffects. Remember guys, the breakdown of cars is not BRAND DEPENDENT. All of them have inherent advantage and disadvantage, thats why each one of us buys a different model or brand because we have our own way of choosing.

 

It is unfair to label Toyota Cars as bad. As if we were saying that the Millions of people using toyota cars are wrong?! Maybe, just maybe the batch that was bought have manufacturing deffect, but a company will not put a BRANDED product that has design deffect. I do not believe that the oil pump of a 1.6 toyota engine is undersized for the unit. Cmon, the amount of oil circulating the lubrication system is design with a safety factor of 2. This is because the designer takes into consideration the clugging of the system from the pump down to the filters.

 

If your car suffers this deffect, what about the 199,000 thousand more that bought the same model on the same year? i think there's only 3 of you that has complained online about this. Mind you guys, i dont work ON TOYOTA. My cars are not toyota, except my first owner type jeep that was assembled out of every available junk on the market. I am just presenting here a different opinion. I always tell my friends about buying a car.

 

"If you dont have a problem and likes to have one...then buy a car"

 

"Your life depends on the car you are driving, so treat your car nicely, listen to its sounds and be gentle with her, change the oil at manufacturers adviced intervals, change filters, brake pad, etc. and keep a record of what you did to your car" this will improve the second hand value of your car if the maintenance record is available."

 

"The acquisition cost is only 1/3 of your expense. The other 1/3 is the maintenance and the last 1/3 is the operating expenses"

 

"If the maintenance is becoming a head ache..SELL IT!

 

To be worry free (almost) change car every 3-5 yrs..below 100T Km..like the japanese. Actually this last one is the best solution to your problem..PEACE bro.

 

 

i agree with you bro... sa lahat ng bagay na binibili natin, meron talagang mga product na "lemon"(sirain, o poor quality). like if you buy in bulk, meron at meron ka talagang makikitang isa or higit pa na may depekto... kahit sino na nasa manufacturing makakapagpatunay nito. it's just not fair to brand toyota as a bad car...

Edited September 10, 2008 by wilmer ong

[Qui-Gon Jinn]

ive been using fortuner 2.5 for almost 3yrs now. so far ang complaint ko lang ay ang tigas ng shocks!

pero astig pa rin kahit luma na.

 

The first thing we've changed when we got our fortuner were the rear shocks...went straight to Ride in Banawe to get ProComp MX6...brought the 'tuner to Sagada and we had no other issues after that...except - the DVD system that was added on (pinadagdag ng bullshit na ahente para daw mas mabilis ma-release yung unit at may extra kita siya from the supplier syempre...got our fortuner when the model was first introduced here in RP therefore mahaba pila) was a lemon. Got the unit from TQA.

Edited September 11, 2008 by Qui Gon Jin

[gameboy]

I have the same experience with the thread starter. I bought my Toyota Altis 1.6 from Toyota Marikina in May of 2003. I religiously followed the preventive maintenance schedule (PMS) of the car bringing it to Toyota Marikina every 5,000 km. I used only Toyota parts and oil for my car. What I immediately noticed everytime my car is serviced at Toyota Marikina is that they always use engine flush everytime the oil is changed. Please note, I only use the ordinary Toyota oil that they recommend and not the synthetic ones. The engine flushing surprised me a lot because this should be done only when you switch oil from synthetic to ordinary or vice versa. Pinabayaan ko na lang i-engine flush kasi mura lang naman ang cost.

 

Sometime in 2006, I switched to Toyota Makati along Metropolitan Avenue because my girlfriend was working there and secondly, that dealership is owned by Toyota Motor Philippines. Toyota Marikina and Cubao and others are owned by the Metrobank Group of Companies. Bottomline is, I was able to avail of huge discounts plus the fact that the car will be taken cared of much better because of the affiliation of the dealer with Toyota Motor Philippines and the fact that my girl was working in the service department. The first thing I observed when my car was serviced by Toyota Makati is that they did not flush the engine when the oil is changed. Fast forward to October of 2007 and at 78,000 kms, I heard some noise emanating from the engine. I brought the car to Toyota Makati and lo and behold, they discovered the oil in the engine to be half full. Further investigation revealed that my Altis has developed oil sludge in the crank case. The service technicians tried all remedial measures like cleaning the oil sludge (binabad sa sosa and kinudkod) and others. They failed in all their attempts because the engine continued to emit noise and consume oil at the rate of 1 liter every two weeks or even less. When all things proved futile and ineffective, they recommended a general overhaul of the car which they did last month and at a cost of PHP37,000.00 inclusive of the machine shop where the sludge was sand blasted to remove it from the crank case. Please note, the cost is net of the 15% discount on parts and labor and a huge slash on the machine shop from the initial estimate of PHP25,000.00. Ang dami pinalitan. My altis is now working fine again and like brand new. However, I just bought a Honda Civic from Honda Cars Manila and will be using it from hereon. Yung Altis, ibibigay ko sa pamangkin ko.

 

The question that begs the answer is what caused the general overhaul of the engine of my Altis. Toyota Makati offered two explanations to me namely,

 

1. The oil that Toyota Marikina used. It is Toyota oil alright but with an additive which they call AMALI OIL. It is different from the oil used in other Toyota dealerships not owned by the Metrobank Group of Companies. Toyota Makati came short of calling the AMALI OIL inferior in quality than the regular Toyota oil. This is the reason why the engine has to be flushed every oil change. The problem could have been avoided if Toyota Makati was made aware that Toyota Marikina was servicing my car before I switched to them. They would have flushed my engine the first tme I used them to service my car. So beware when you have your car serviced with Toyota. Ask first if the dealer is owned by the Metrobank Group of Companies. If it is, go somewhere else.

 

2. There is a flaw in the engine design of VVTi engines of Toyota. It is prone to engine sludge if you exceed the 5,000 km PMS. That is why you have to make sure that you have your Altis PMS'd every 5,000 km or near that but not beyond that. This was the cautionary notice I got from Toyota Makati when I claimed my car after it was overhauled. To give you an idea on what I am talking about, please search the internet using the key words sludge and Toyota and you will find a wealth of information on the subject including court cases in the United States filed by irate consumers. The problem is not confined to Altis only. All models with VVTi engines are susceptible to sludge if you do not change oil every 5,000 kms. My new Honda Civic requires 10,000 km check up and not 5,000 km.

 

Yun lang.

Edited September 11, 2008 by gameboy

[tanyen]

:thumbsupsmiley: BUY HONDA MGA BRO :thumbsupsmiley:

[axlerose100]

Same here. barely a year old (@20TKm) and our innova's front shocks had to be replaced. I don't like how the 2.5L D4d engine sounds, its too noisy for a modern common rail engine. Mausok pa, siguro hinirit ng nagdala nung unit from the plant to the dealership kaya anlalaki na ng butas ng fuel pump nozzle. Hay.