Traffic Problem In Metro Manila (Merged Thread)

[rooster69ph]

puro sisi.. boy sisi hahaha

 

 

ION maging epektibo kaya ang HOV ng MMDA?

Tandaan walang masisisi kung walang isisisi. Ang mahirap lang yun tulad ng iba na maninising illegal pero ayaw naman patunayan o kahit na magbigay linaw. Basta sinabing illegal eh illegal daw, period!

 

 

Wow! Hindi pa nga naiimplement eh gusto mo may maihirit na agar agad? Pero sige pagbibigyan kita sa pananaw ko ...

 

In principle i think this is a good move but as to whether or not it will solve the traffic situation in edsa i do have some reservations. It will largely depend on how motorist will react as i see that there are two sides to it. So at this point wait and see muna tayo kung magiging epektibo ba siya.

 

We all know the mmda wants to reduce vehicle volume in Edsa to ease traffic. They proposed two day coding which the mayors shut down. naisip din nila na ipagbawal sa edsa yun mga sasakyan na iisa lang ang sakay. Me thinks the HOV is the "alternative compromise" to these.

 

What do i expect? I don't know the exact statistics kung ilan ba sa mga dumadaan sa edsa ang may dalawa at least ang sakay but based on a recent interview mmda claims mas malaking percentage ang single passenger vehicle na dumadaan sa edsa. So assigning an exclusive lane to them (HOV) as possible "fast lane" makes sense. Ideally the objective is mas mapabilis yun galaw ng sasakyan na may higher occupancy vs sa single rider vehicle.

 

But sabi ko nga depende rin yan sa magiging reaction o gagawin ng motorista. What do i mean by that? Based on principle bibilis ang daloy sa hov lane but bibigat naman sa natitirang 2 lane na for non-hov. So kung single rider ka at alam mo na ganito mangyayari well uniwas ka na sa edsa di ba. And if madami ang ganitong magisip then luluwag din daloy ng trapiko sa non-hov lane. On the other hand those thinking na may fast lane na for hov baka magsidagsaan naman ang paggamit ng edsa yun mga dating gumadamit na ng alternative routes dahil inaakalang mas mapapabilis sila mageedsa na ngayon since hov naman sila. If that happens we would have a higher volume of hov that what was not expected to begin with so balik slow moving lane na naman ang hov lane. At siyempre alam naman natin na maparaan ang Pinoy di ba ... Nun nag coding nga ang ginawa ng karamihan bumili ng 2nd car pangiwas abala sa coding. Sa tingin mo ba far fetch na yun mga iba diyan eh magsama ng isa pang pasahero para lang masabing HOV sila. Well on the positive side maganda kung car pooling ang mangyari meaning isasabay mo ang kaopisinang on the way naman papasok at pauwi para maging hov ka at magamit yun fast lane. E paano kung ang pagiisip eh isasama ko na lang si maria yun iyong kasambahay kahit di naman talaga kailangang isama sa biyahe just to circumvent it.

 

O ayan para mapagbigyan ang hiling mo i think that is a fair and realistic assessment at this point in time considering hindi pa naman implemented don't you think?

Edited December 7, 2017 by rooster69ph

[tk421]

Parang kulang pa din yun HOV lane yan. If I read it right, it says it is described as having at least 2 persons in a vehicle, including the driver? That not high occupancy. Minimum 3 dapat diba?

[rooster69ph]

Parang kulang pa din yun HOV lane yan. If I read it right, it says it is described as having at least 2 persons in a vehicle, including the driver? That not high occupancy. Minimum 3 dapat diba?

For this 2 persons is defined to include the driver which really makes it easy to work around.

 

Halimbawa lamang na agad un mga taong can afford to hire a driver.

Or sabi ko nga isama mo na lang kahit sino like yun kasambahay to work around it.

[tomagants]

Do you think anyone will have the balls to implement these. Based on his track record as mayor and the good stories we hear, if there is anything i do hope he can do is issue the order immediately. Sa totoo lang yun order nga niyang to clear all the street hindi nga masunodsunod ... Asa pa tayo ng mas mabibigat na change?

 

Do you think anyone will have the balls to implement these. Based on his track record as mayor and the good stories we hear, if there is anything i do hope he can do is issue the order immediately. Sa totoo lang yun order nga niyang to clear all the street hindi nga masunodsunod ... Asa pa tayo ng mas mabibigat na change?

This is it ... we need to see that balls.... of courage,.....cheers

[wek1012]

I think I read an article a few years ago about Indonesia implementing hov lane. I remember they mentioned people were able to think of ways to go about it.

[Jasonkidd]

Traffic talaga hindi na kayang solusyunan..Pero kayang bawasan or ayusin if talagang may disiplina. Check recto divisoria. Grabe, mga pedicab pa din. 3 lane na kinukuha nila tapos nde gumagalaw at nag aantay ng pasahero. Ung mga parating kala trapik, un pala sinakop lng nila ung pwedeng daanan. Tapos ina allow lang ng enforcer. Ano pa ba magagawa natin?

[darksoulriver]

Tandaan walang masisisi kung walang isisisi. Ang mahirap lang yun tulad ng iba na maninising illegal pero ayaw naman patunayan o kahit na magbigay linaw. Basta sinabing illegal eh illegal daw, period!

only private companies who are involve in PPP knows it.... kya pwede b wag kng masyadong magmarunong!

 

pero para sa ikagiginhawa ng iyong pagiging boy sisi eh bkit ko nasabing illegal ang pagkakaward dhil po may mga PPP ay may sovereign guarantee so kung di mo alam isearch mo na lng may time ka nman cguro....

 

ngayon ggwa ka nnman assessment para kng member ng MMDA council... pwede mo nman sagutin na lets see if this works! kaw na!

Edited December 9, 2017 by darksoulriver

[rooster69ph]

only private companies who are involve in PPP knows it.... kya pwede b wag kng masyadong magmarunong!

 

pero para sa ikagiginhawa ng iyong pagiging boy sisi eh bkit ko nasabing illegal ang pagkakaward dhil po may mga PPP ay may sovereign guarantee so kung di mo alam isearch mo na lng may time ka nman cguro....

 

ngayon ggwa ka nnman assessment para kng member ng MMDA council... pwede mo nman sagutin na lets see if this works! kaw na!

"Only private companies knows it" ... So sinasabi mo ba na involve ka directly sa PPP kaya ka nagmamarunong? I doubt with the way you argue your point. Now i realized as well the reason why you just want to leave your statement as is and not expound further...let me expose it.

 

For example, as far as sovereign guarantee is concerned, what is wrong with that? This is not the first time na nagbigay ng sovereign guarantee ang gobyerno. Halimbawa ang mga government securities issued comes with a sovereign guarantee, yun nangutang ang quedancor via the issuance of bond and notes nagbigay ang pamahalaan ng sovereign guarantee. May mga ilang privatization projects na nagbigay din ang gobyerno ng sovereign guarantee. Bininigay yan as an additional "safety net" o "assurance" sa mga "investors o contractors" in case certain events are not met otherwise without this assurance it may not be an atractive venture for them because of certain risk whick they might not be willing to take. Having said that, what is illegal about it when the gov't is allowed to issue sovereign guarantee in the first place? However may risk din yan sa gobyerno which is why it should be careful and selective in issuing sovereign guarantees. But the point it what is it's relevance to your claim/ argument na "baka illegal kaya kokonti ang PPP". Honestly dear i don't see any relevance to it. Sovereign guarantee if given are credit enhancers beneficial actually to the investors or the private companies that will engage in PPP ...moreso if this is grossly beneficial to the investor which is why it maybe deemed "illegal" (on the part of the issuer not to whom it was issued). So how can it do more harm than good to them to shy away sa project for you to say dahil may illegal (pertaining to the sovereign guarantee) kokonti ang PPP. Let me tell you this if lahat ng PPP binigyan ng sovereign guarantee that would be grossly beneficial to the private companies specially in terms of returns, it will definitely sell like hotcakes as because these companies will no longer have to do extensive evaluation on costing and profitability which is one considerations actually for the delay in take-up. As such the effect should be mas dadami ang natuloy na PPP instead na yun sinasabi mong kaya naging kokonti.

 

Finally sa HOV issue....hindi ba tinanong mo ako? Sinagot kita? Ngayong sinagot kita at binigay ang opinion ko So anong problema mo na naman? Binasa mo ba yun sinagot ko ng maige hindi ba sinabi ko sa iyo na hindi pa nga sinisimulan nagtatanong ka na ......"so WAIT AND SEE MUNA TAYO KUNG MAGIGING EPEKTIBO SIYA". But since we're at it i also gave you my thought of its pros and cons.

 

Sino ba ngayon nagmumukhang BOY SISI sa ating dalawa ngayon? Lumalabas puros baseless yan bintang at sisi mo bro.

[tomagants]

Lintik ang trapik. 2hours from mandaluyong to v.luna. Sana manalo nang senador si Mocha para lalong tuloy tuloy ang pagbabago.

Mocha o my O MY... Im sure tuloy tuloy ang pagbabago ... Spelling pa lang at pagsalita me pagbabago.. O what a body? of Disgrace....

[darksoulriver]

 

 

sa haba ng paliwanag mo!

looks like you really dont get it! Boy sisi ka talga!

 

 

ION

 

mukhang hindi effective yung HOV... Boy sisi!

 

might as well better implement yung odd even scheme at no window hour para siguradong bawas ang sasakyan sa kalsada!

Edited December 12, 2017 by darksoulriver

[rooster69ph]

sa haba ng paliwanag mo!

looks like you really dont get it! Boy sisi ka talga

Ay sus kahit anong project mo at mag name calling ka diyan ng "boy sisi" kita naman ampao yun argumento mo about sovereign guarantee ...kaya it won't help your cause.

 

Siguro nga i really don't get yun iniisip mong walang ka sense-sense. No wonder you state it (kaya kokonte) with a "?" ...

 

Payo ko bro sagutin mo yun mga isinagot ko sa iyo ng kontra argumento hindi name calling.

[darksoulriver]

 

wla kng ksing alam d mo alam kalakaran sa PPP...umamin kn nga wla kng alam eh!

 

the sovereign guarantees makes us all tax payers IDIOTS! d mo b nagets!

[rooster69ph]

wla kng ksing alam d mo alam kalakaran sa PPP...umamin kn nga wla kng alam eh!

 

the sovereign guarantees makes us all tax payers IDIOTS! d mo b nagets!

WHAT AN ASSUMPTION lol.... So what about the sovereign guarantee feature in all government securities? And i am not only referring to government securities issued by the RP but all GS issued by any countries for that matter which obviously has sovereign guarantee in it. So all countries are IDIOTS If i were to follow your argument. Ikaw lang ang matalino ano po? Lol👏👏👏

 

I have explained it to you ... Tulad ng sabi ko if you are correct that a sovereign guarantee is grossly advantageous to the one that will engage in the PPP, and the PNoy admin gives this so called "illegal sovereign guaranty" as you've claimed how could it be the cause na kaya kakaunti ang natuloy na ppp.

 

Claiming that the other party ay walang alam at hindi alam ang kalakaran ng PPP won't help your cause. Hindi maitatago nito ang maling argumento mo.

 

Ikaw na rin nagsabi, " only private companies who are involve in PPP KNOWA IT" are you involve in PPP to know all of these?

Edited December 12, 2017 by rooster69ph

[tomagants]

OOOPppppps.. Trafffc Problem pa ba ang thread na ito...

 

setting aside everything. As per spoke person of Piston. The change into modernization of vehicles is being deliberately covered by a corporate interest to an individual.?? Kung babaguhin o e modernize ang mga vehicles will this mean easing the traffic during the peak hours. Holidays are in the air try to go to divisoria for economical shopping. Tell me if I am wrong if one will not get stuck up for at least a min of one hour.

[darksoulriver]

nganga!

 

ION

 

modernation of Jeepneys will not solve or ease the traffic problem,

as long wlang bagong gawang kalsada or major routes sa NCR.. dagdag mo pa yung dumadaming private vehicles magtitiis parin si Juan sa grabeng traffic.