Build A Model Body!

[Eclipseguy]

DJ25...I understand the point of your post. While noble, it is still misguided for the following reason:

 

If you are unable to perform the exercises that we are recommending and in the manner that we are recommending, then you will probably NEVER have a model body. This individual can look good, relative to what is their physical potential, but some people can never look like what is considered a "model".

 

That's life...and that's what we should assume when dealing with this thread.

 

If you want to start a thread called "general fitness for all", and want to discuss fitness for special populations, please do so. You'd have my blessing, and I'd support and help you do so based on my own experience with elderly trainees, and members who have conditions such as polio. There is a definite demand for this, and we also have to adjust our own programs based on their needs.

 

Again, this thread is about a model body...not on general fitness.

[Olympus]

dj25,

 

shut the hell up!! everyone knows you're a broke wannabe out of shape trainer who looks like he can't even lift if his life depended on it and you keep parroting things from a book. I bet you can't even tell the difference of a squat jerk from a jerk you meet on the streets. You already said that you don't care about the advice you give and have produced ZERO ZERO ZERO results for your clients in dreamland so why the hell do you still insist on pushing your pointless arguments when you yourself can;t get yourself in shape

 

As they say "Don't take advice from a bald hairdresser" so just zip it boy!! OR DO i HAVE TO NUKE YOUR COMPUTER FOR YOU TO SHUT UP? IF THAT WON'T DO THE TRICK, MAYBE I SHOULD HUNT YOU DOWN AND BEAT YOUR FAMILY WITH A BLUNT SPOON AND DEADLIFT 355 WHIEL YOU CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT ?????

[Eclipseguy]

1) My point of posting was to differentiate acute from chronic. What you, as a therapist, must deal with is based on the result a chronic condition. The pressure from IAP is acute in a NORMAL HEALTHY individual.

 

 

And DJ25, you are making a conclusions that hernias are formed via repeated holding of breath with respect to athletes over long periods of time? Do have any evidence AT ALL that this is the case with respect to NORMAL and HEALTHY individuals?

 

You have none. If you were correct, the hospitals and emergency rooms would be overrun, the dangers and warnings would be all over the internet, and Olympic weightlifting would have been banned from the Olympics over 50 years ago. Yet, "strangely" it is not! Even the Bulgarian weightlifters train 6 TIMES PER DAY doing maximal or submaximal lifts that require valsalva/IAP. Yet they "strangely" have some of the lowest rates of injury of all Olympic hopefulls, and NEVER do you hear about them dumping their intestines all over the lifting platform on a random basis.

 

Can you see the problem with your irresponsible conclusions? You are fear-mongering based on a VERY loosely related condition...again, a condition that has NEVER been linked even REMOTELY to heavy strength training.

 

C'mon guy...what is it going to take for you to accept this reality?

[Olympus]

Huh? Is there a fight?

Whos the skiny kid?

Better identify the people you are talking about.

 

take a good honest look in the mirror and you'll see who he's talking about.

 

And oh yeah, the fact that your PT keeps on talking about gym stuff when they shouldn't be in the gym all the more means she is a total moron or in tagalog INUTIL!!

 

when wil you ever learn that you'r a brave soldier fighting for the wrong cause and you're wasting your time believing all these posers and hacks??? i fel bad since you have so much potential yet limit yourself since you're dealing with the wrong people

[Eclipseguy]

Someone is getting fed up around here

 

It's kinda hard not to

[Olympus]

As you said, Ignorance is curable, stupidity is terminal!!!

 

Speaking of which, if any pencil neck bodybuilder wannabes think they're working hard, if you try the 10x10 or 6x10 we do and make it through without at least getting dizzy, I'll shake your hand, treat you to dinner and a round of beer... Any takers?

[Olympus]

Grabe napakataas naman ng tingin mo sa sarili mo. Pati yung pt ko iniinsulto ma na rin. For your info mam Anna, my PT is a part time gym instructor and a PT prof in PLM. She also handles the rehab-athletics gym in PLM. She knows the theory and the actual application way better than you. Also she is not rude and a well educated person.

 

Ive had enough of you and your friends.

 

Maybe your right, my mentor, SQ, is an idiot because she did not taught us how to be sarcastic and rude when it comes to dealing with instructors with a different approach.

 

well, one thing is for sure, I can insult whoever hack ot idiot you praise since by now you should know physical therapists do not belong in a gym. The fact that she can't even get you to gain an ounce of muscle means she's a total moron. Oh yes, I may be brash,I may be rude, I'm arrogant and cocky, but I'm bigger, stronger faster than you... got a problem with that? Most girls I train have alrady gained at least 30 pounds to all their lifts and wil soon outlift you and your skinny frame got a problem with that too??

 

oh and befor I end this post, I've given results to dozens of people long before you have even hit puberty and all without the supplements while you are nothing but a skinny kid with a bruised ego who can't accept that you're not training right and are nothing but a glorified supplement dealer who can't even put on mass to your body.. wake up and smell the coffee kid! you need to start training better. In 4 years that you've been traiing and attending alll those blue baby seminars by your moron mentor, you still haven't figured out that split training isn't the best way to go. Think critically kid!! Its sad that you're a future engineer who can't even use common sense.

[Eclipseguy]

well, one thing is for sure, I can insult whoever hack ot idiot you praise since by now you should know physical therapists do not belong in a gym. The fact that she can't even get you to gain an ounce of muscle means she's a total moron. Oh yes, I may be brash,I may be rude, I'm arrogant and cocky, but I'm bigger, stronger faster than you... got a problem with that? Most girls I train have alrady gained at least 30 pounds to all their lifts and wil soon outlift you and your skinny frame got a problem with that too??

 

oh and befor I end this post, I've given results to dozens of people long before you have even hit puberty and all without the supplements while you are nothing but a skinny kid with a bruised ego who can't accept that you're not training right and are nothing but a glorified supplement dealer who can't even put on mass to your body.. wake up and smell the coffee kid! you need to start training better. In 4 years that you've been traiing and attending alll those blue baby seminars by your moron mentor, you still haven't figured out that split training isn't the best way to go. Think critically kid!! Its sad that you're a future engineer who can't even use common sense.

 

 

And, even at 105lbs, I'm positive that Coach Elaine, a woman, can squat, deadlift, parallel-bar dip, pull-up....heck probably out-lift Andrean48 on all of her lifts!

 

Her squat - 245lbs - no belt

 

Deadlift 335lbs - no belt

 

bench press - 135lbs

 

Pullups - bodyweight plus 20lbs

 

Parallel bar dips - bodyweight plus 45lbs

 

Military press - 95lbs for reps

 

Do you want to challenge a woman Andrean48? At least then it might be close. Don't feel bad though....she is used to beating guys...in fact, most of the Assistant Coaches at Eclipse are more scared of her than they are of me :goatee:

Edited August 14, 2006 by Eclipseguy

[turboneticssx8]

And, even at 105lbs, I'm positive that Coach Elaine, a woman, can squat, deadlift, parallel-bar dip, pull-up....heck probably out-lift Andrean48 on all of her lifts!

 

Her squat - 245lbs - no belt

 

Deadlift 335lbs - no belt

 

bench press - 135lbs

 

Pullups - bodyweight plus 20lbs

 

Parallel bar dips - bodyweight plus 45lbs

 

Military press - 95lbs for reps

 

Do you want to challenge a woman Andrean48? At least then it might be close. Don't feel bad though....she is used to beating guys...in fact, most of the Assistant Coaches at Eclipse are more scared of her than they are of me :goatee:

 

 

Wow lakas nita ha!!! :cool:

[Equus]

wrong again dj25... almoranas is not a hernia in the anus... where the hell didja get that? almoranas is hemorrhoids and if you don't know what hemmorhoids are and what is the nature of this condition then you should either quit yer profession or read up on yer books again...

 

what you saw in rotten.com is neither hernia or hemorrhoids... its actually rectal prolapse... and that my friends is another thing ALTOGETHER... don't want to make things sound complicated but I do want to make things clear and concise...

 

Oly and EG, play nice... no name calling unless the branding is accurate... hhehehehehehe...

 

Thing is andrean, i really think that you do lack what it takes to give sound and ample advice because you are kinda thin and underdeveloped... you can either choose to not listen and go about your life and have little or no gains in the next 4 years or you can have a HARD look into you program and lifestyle... Or, you can just get big, by any means necessary, and shove all that self-righteous stuff that EG and Oly are saying down their own throats... its upto you...

 

I guess what's really eating people up in this forums is wrong info... I think to be more accurate, it's outdated info... i must admit that the stuff that the programs ecclipse uses seems mmore outdated cause it is semi old-school in nature however this is the new trend nowadays... more and more people are starting to do the basics... seriously andrean, don't get left alone in the stone ages... And until your gains are substantial to the time and effort that you put in... hmmmmmmm.... dude... i don't like to judge but well, you know what im trying to imply... We're not trying to shut people up in here... at least im not... but we should also take responsibility for the things that we post... and if we cannot apply the concepts to ourselves and make gains, what more giving advice to other people? no matter how much school you went through...

[devlin_acura]

And, even at 105lbs, I'm positive that Coach Elaine, a woman, can squat, deadlift, parallel-bar dip, pull-up....heck probably out-lift Andrean48 on all of her lifts!

 

Her squat - 245lbs - no belt

 

Deadlift 335lbs - no belt

 

bench press - 135lbs

 

Pullups - bodyweight plus 20lbs

 

Parallel bar dips - bodyweight plus 45lbs

 

Military press - 95lbs for reps

 

Do you want to challenge a woman Andrean48? At least then it might be close. Don't feel bad though....she is used to beating guys...in fact, most of the Assistant Coaches at Eclipse are more scared of her than they are of me :goatee:

 

 

woah! sya ba yung nasa flyer ng eclipse express? was there last night... 7pm or so. spoke with jelly (barbie look-a-like, yung singer). wasnt able go inside and explore the place though because i had to rush home.

Edited August 15, 2006 by devlin_acura

[devlin_acura]

i feel stupid to ask this.. pero di ko talaga alam e. so here it goes:

 

in a workout, when you say bench press exercise, do you mean doing it on flat, inclined and declined? so if you're doing 5 sets, it'll be 15 sets for your chest? tama ba? or there are other muscles involved kaya dapat tatlo talaga for workout?

 

thanks again.

[Waterbearer]

I think we need a mod here ....... siguro nga kailangan palitan na ang pangalan ng thread na ito into general fitness or di kaya may magcreate ng new thread for that subject......iba iba kasi ang mga personality ng mga poster dito e..........

 

In my case, ive tried the 5x5 in my gym and i'd say ramdam ko yung burn.....lalo na pag di ako nagpaspot....great for increasing strength

.....effective sya.....kasi i was able to put on an additional 10kgs in my incline press....after the 2nd week but first, i think you need to psyche yourself up otherwise, feeling mo parang bitin......sabi nga ni idol ko habang may ginagangbang sya.....mind over muscle :boo:

[Equus]

btw, i met olympus and Ecclipseguy and i must say that physically im not very impressed... they are both on the smaller side... However I must give them this, I am certain that they have more functional strength than me, both power/kg or over all power... You know that these two can do the weight... And Im pretty sure that these two individuals are strong like hell...

 

So guys, there you have it... at the end of the day people will believe what they want to believe... and there is no absolute truth in regards to the right program... but there is the most efficient way to do things and there is also the most responsible way to go about it...

 

In regards to your questions, devlin acura, when it says bench press, unless specified, will always be flat bench... but if it says to do bench press exercises, the incline, flat and decline bench are the different types and yes, 5 sets per angle, total of 15 sets...

[Olympus]

woah! sya ba yung nasa flyer ng eclipse express? was there last night... 7pm or so. spoke with jelly (barbie look-a-like, yung singer). wasnt able go inside and explore the place though because i had to rush home.

 

Yup thats her.