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[dj25]

here we go again...

 

why OLY, afraid of arguing to an intelligent person. don't you feel the adrenaline rush when you have a heated argument.

 

Plyometrics are dangerous if administered to people with inadequate lower body strength. If tendons and ligaments are not conditioned to withstand high-tension eccentrics such as depth jumps or altitude landings, injuries are basically guaranteed. Many an individual who has inquired with us knew someone who got hurt at Sports Kamp or other facilities that teach plyo without a proper strength foundation. Rules of thumb is that you should be able to squat 1.5-2 times your bodyweight, running should not "hurt"...or when you run you should feel like you are floating (light on your feet) before you can even think about plyo. Even then you can increase your vertical and explosive speed and power through squats and Olympic lifting alone that would take you to a National class level without plyo. Plyometrics is merely a tool that you'd use for 3-4 weeks at a time, and only as a primer for a pre-season conditioning phase. It is very advanced and should only be administered by a strength coach who knows what they are doing.

 

What are plyometrics?

Plyometrics are any exercise where the muscle is contracted eccentricly then immediately, concentricly. In plain English, the muscle is stretched (i.e. loaded) before it is contracted. A good example is push-ups with a clap in-between each push-up. Your muscle (pectorals in this case) is elongated and loaded by the downward force of your body, then immediately you must contract the muscle to push yourself back up.

 

Why do I care?

 

A: Because plyometrics is one of the best ways if not the best way to improve power. To justify this answer lets first look at what is power. Power is similar to strength except you are adding the time factor. Therefore the relation of strength and speed is what we are talking about when we talk about power. A person who can perform a specific resistance movement, such as jumping, bench press etc., the fastest would be said to have more power in that movement. So what we are looking at is not just the contraction of the muscle, but how fast will it contract. It has been shown that a muscle will contract the fastest when it has been loaded. This is why you should be able to jump higher if you crouch down then immediately jump up than if you started in the crouch. So if this is the best way to perform a powerful movement lets practice these movements. This practic e is called plyometrics and has been shown in study after study to decrease the time it takes for the muscles to contract, resulting in more power.

 

What are good plyometric exercises for increasing vertical jump?

 

A: There are an infinite number of plyometric exercises to increase vertical leap but here are a few good ones:

Two foot ankle hop (low intensity)

keeping your feet together and remaining in one place hop up and down using only your ankles and calves. Concentrate on getting as high as you can and exploding off the ground as soon as you land.

Rim Jumps (medium intensity)

Stand under a basketball rim. Jump up touching the rim (or net or whatever) with alternate hands. Concentrate on getting as high as you can and exploding off the ground as soon as you land.

Box to Box jumps (high intensity)

Place two boxes that will support your weight about 3 feet apart. Standing on one box step (NOT JUMP) off to the ground and immediately jump back up to the other box. Turn around and repeat. Obviously the difficulty of this exercise is increased as the height of the boxes are increased. Once again concentrate on getting as high as you can and exploding off the ground as soon as you land (notice a pat tern here?)

 

In all the above exercises you are using your body weight and gravity to load the muscle before contraction. The forces you generate are much larger than could be safely accomplished using conventional resistance (read weights) exercises. It is true these forces only exist for a brief amount of time, but they still stress the muscle which is the point.

 

Plyometric is not bad, it just depends on the intensity the person should do. you will surely incur injuries if you do high impact plyometrics if you are still in the beginners stage.

 

 

I simply don't have time for this right now What you are suggesting is in complete contrast as the principles taught by Dr. Mel Siff, a specialist in exercise physiology. Read Supertraining and Facts and Fallacies of Fitness, written by him. These books are in the library of basically every serious strength coach, both pro and amateur, around the world. What you are suggesting is the EXACT opposite of what is practiced by basically all of these coaches, gold medalist athletes, and professional athletes of the NBA, NFL, as well as the amateur NCAA. I've personally coached 1000's of individuals over the years as well as 16 years of my own training. Two of my athletes are International Class, meaning top 10 in their weight class. In all of what I've said, I've never witnessed athletes passing out or getting hernias from holding their breath. I HAVE seen, however, big guys who were picking up a 70lbs child rupture a vertebrae because they were laughing (and obviously exhaling) while picking up said child. This same individual could squat 500lbs on any given day. Try this some time....squat with a 45lb bar on your back with breath held until the final portion of the completion of the rep. Then do it with empty lungs. You tell me which makes you feel more stable. The lungs and abs work together to stabilize your back, again, said over and over again by Dr. Siff. As a medical professional and a non-athlete with minimal athletic experience, I'd hope you understand when I say that the burden of proof is on you to produce a peer-reviewed research journal on why IAP/Valsalva is angerous.

 

 

hahaha, EG, you are a funny person. you said that you don't have time but still you answer my question.

if you read my post, i told that you can post the link so that i can read it and change my perception. i don't want to go to a library just to waste my time reading this, the net is all that i need which is much faster. i hope you can post the link of Dr. Siff that the lungs and abs work together to stabilize the back. i have not read in any anatomy books that the lungs and abs can work together side by side to stabilize the back.

 

 

Also, the proper use of the belt is to increase IAP and therefore increase core response strength and further protect the spinal column. This increase in IAP is the same reason that wearing a belt will often give a 20-30lbs gain in strength. My female athlete can max at 355lbs while wearing a belt with the thick part at her stomach. Raw will allow her to lift 335lbs. My top male athlete maxes at 575lbs with a belt as worn by the lady athlete. Without belt he can do 545lbs. Their weight class is 48kg and 75kgs respectively. Again, the belt worn properly is for increased IAP. The problem with your argument, DJ25, is you are correlating a CHRONIC condition with an ACUTE action such as short-term holding of the breath. We are talking about normal and healthy individuals here who have been cleared by a physician...not people who require the help of a therapist.

 

What do you mean IAP?

i also can't imagine myself wearing a belt and it could increase my strength. how does a belt increase somebody's strength.

i think this is more on the psychological part. this is like lifting something heavy but when you have a spotter you feel that you can lift it.

 

do you know the meaning of acute and chronic. having a hernia is not developed overnight, it is a long process and takes time. if somebody holds his breath over and over again, this would result to a hernia for a period of time. unless that person is just lifting for some months and would stop and then would lift again. do you see my point.

 

my argument here, some of the people posting in this thread is seeking advice for some medical related problems and concerns but still they want to have a model body. it is nonsense to say that this thread is for normal and healthy individuals. you should broaded you market with fitness. if you only cater for the normal individuals, you neglected some individuals who have medical condition but still wants to be fit. remember that FITNESS IS FOR ALL.

i don't want to argue with you when it comes to strenght training because this is your specialization. however, if i saw wrong advice for a medical condition, i will not just sit here and read. i want to correct that error. just what like you do if you see some wrong information for strength training.

[Equus]

my take on this... DJ25 ecclipse guy is right regarding the increase in strength when you hold yer breath or when you use the belt... I wish i had the needed tools and terminologies to validate my claim but what i have is personal experience... For example:

 

In rock climbing, we call core strength contact strength... I see climbers who are strong like hell and can do a lot of pull ups but put them in a wall and they can't even do dyno's... One such person is me... I have a s@%t load of upper body strength for my size but I can't do dyno's properly because I cannot constrict my torso to do ample explosive movement. I can do small dynos but not enough...

 

A dyno basically consists of an explosive movement wherein you jump up, completely released from the wall both legs and arms and then reach for the higher hold... just like what sylvester stallone did in cliffhanger... The only way to do this movement is to completely strengthen your core, constrict it to a point when your whole body is moving with a single committed purpose then BOOM!!! Explode upwards with commitment and confidence... holding your breath in to focus your strength and contraction of your core muscles is integral... And believe me DJ25, you will not read this in ANY of the anatomy books... Ive read through a whole lot of them... its not there... this comes with experience and it is not placebo because it is a measureable phenomenon that occurs with real athletes... ask any boxer, rock climber, martial artist, power lifter, track and field, gymnast, etc... any sport that deals with explosive strength...

 

At the level of extreme sports, when your life is hanging on the line by your ability to conserve, maintain and channel your energy correctly and efficiently, these techniques define the line between life and death...

 

In regards to the belt, well personal experience cannot dictate this because i have not gone to the point of maxing out my squats and needing a belt to do the extra push... im not there yet... but having an apparatus or tool that will stabilize your back for you and keep your core in a state wherein it is easier for you to contract it thus you're able to spend more energy in the actual lift, well, that sort of makes sense to me... again, experience is the teacher here so I am not an expert... just an opinion...

 

And yes... not everyone here is normal... however i do remember that if you're called an anomaly, people here think that you are calling them abnormal.. hehehehehehe... just kidding... In any case, EG did say that he does cater to individuals who have been given a CLEAR BILL OF HEALTH BY THE DOCTORS... it is the responsibility of the INDIVIDUAL to give his of her trainer a full, accurate anamnesis so that the trainer can tailor the program correctly... It IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TRAINER to play guessing games with his clients if the client does not want to give him any info about an underlying disease or condition...

Edited August 14, 2006 by Equus

[BEaST-RiPPed]

sheesh! wla ako ma-say...

its like the battle of brains against the brainless...

team eclipse vs. the odds

the odds being:

1) a miseducated 20yr old skinny kid who exposes his guitar like abdominal muscles (if they existed) and shares his exercise regimen & etc. ala doogie howser writing a journal of his routine...

 

2) a therapist (uh really or is it "the rapist"?) who shares his "intelligent" views against a more researched statement in strength training. you got class, dude..GERONIMO!

 

3) THE OTHERS - those who do not know the right training for themselves and easily believes the advice of self proclaimed masters of bodybuilding...(guys, i've been there, i've done that. now i'm happy to belong in a good gym who will take care of me)

 

 

if EG & OLY can only quote this..."Sorry, your time's run out! What do we have for the losers, judge? Thank you for playing Should we or should we not follow the advice of the galactically stupid!"

 

 

:cool:

[lomex32]

Workout ....

 

It really depends also sa metabolism of any person

 

Some do not need to work out at all

[dj25]

my take on this... DJ25 ecclipse guy is right regarding the increase in strength when you hold yer breath or when you use the belt... I wish i had the needed tools and terminologies to validate my claim but what i have is personal experience... For example: In rock climbing, we call core strength contact strength... I see climbers who are strong like hell and can do a lot of pull ups but put them in a wall and they can't even do dyno's... One such person is me... I have a s@%t load of upper body strength for my size but I can't do dyno's properly because I cannot constrict my torso to do ample explosive movement. I can do small dynos but not enough... A dyno basically consists of an explosive movement wherein you jump up, completely released from the wall both legs and arms and then reach for the higher hold... just like what sylvester stallone did in cliffhanger... The only way to do this movement is to completely strengthen your core, constrict it to a point when your whole body is moving with a single committed purpose then BOOM!!! Explode upwards with commitment and confidence... holding your breath in to focus your strength and contraction of your core muscles is integral... And believe me DJ25, you will not read this in ANY of the anatomy books... Ive read through a whole lot of them... its not there... this comes with experience and it is not placebo because it is a measureable phenomenon that occurs with real athletes... ask any boxer, rock climber, martial artist, power lifter, track and field, gymnast, etc... any sport that deals with explosive strength...

 

equus, i don't know if you're in the same channel. first of all the topic was is valsalva maneuver can cause hernia and not increase strength. i believe that when you hold your breath it can increase your strength because you channel your energy more. this is like the adrenaline rush. however, since the topic posted was hernia. i definite disagree to hold your breath since it can lead to it. during training, some tends to hold their breath a lot especially when they are lifting heavy. this is not just on incident but it always occurs. try to count on yourself to hold your breath if you are lifting heavy and continue this for a long time. let's just see what will be the effect. i saw this in rotten.com where a weighlifter squat tremendous amount of weight and performed valsalva maneuver and then his intestines literally got out of his anus. if you have watched ripley's, there is also an episode there where a man pop his eyes out due to valsalva maneuver.

 

with regards to the belt, i could not imagine increasing my strength just wearing a belt. that's why i call it on the psyche part of a person since his much more confident in lifting heavy weights since he feels that he is secure in wearing a belt.

 

 

sheesh! wla ako ma-say...

its like the battle of brains against the brainless...

team eclipse vs. the odds

the odds being:

1) a miseducated 20yr old skinny kid who exposes his guitar like abdominal muscles (if they existed) and shares his exercise regimen & etc. ala doogie howser writing a journal of his routine...

 

2) a therapist (uh really or is it "the rapist"?) who shares his "intelligent" views against a more researched statement in strength training. you got class, dude..GERONIMO!

 

3) THE OTHERS - those who do not know the right training for themselves and easily believes the advice of self proclaimed masters of bodybuilding...(guys, i've been there, i've done that. now i'm happy to belong in a good gym who will take care of me)

if EG & OLY can only quote this..."Sorry, your time's run out! What do we have for the losers, judge? Thank you for playing Should we or should we not follow the advice of the galactically stupid!"

:cool:

 

 

believe me worshipme, i've a licensed PT. in a thread like this, we should always read both sides of contradicting statements for us not to be manipulated or monopolize by a single person. an intelligent reader should know how to balance all the things that he/she is reading.

[JesusFreak!]

Lufeet!!!!! :evil:

 

sheesh! wla ako ma-say...

its like the battle of brains against the brainless...

team eclipse vs. the odds

the odds being:

1) a miseducated 20yr old skinny kid who exposes his guitar like abdominal muscles (if they existed) and shares his exercise regimen & etc. ala doogie howser writing a journal of his routine...

 

2) a therapist (uh really or is it "the rapist"?) who shares his "intelligent" views against a more researched statement in strength training. you got class, dude..GERONIMO!

 

3) THE OTHERS - those who do not know the right training for themselves and easily believes the advice of self proclaimed masters of bodybuilding...(guys, i've been there, i've done that. now i'm happy to belong in a good gym who will take care of me)

if EG & OLY can only quote this..."Sorry, your time's run out! What do we have for the losers, judge? Thank you for playing Should we or should we not follow the advice of the galactically stupid!"

:cool:

[Equus]

equus, i don't know if you're in the same channel. first of all the topic was is valsalva maneuver can cause hernia and not increase strength. i believe that when you hold your breath it can increase your strength because you channel your energy more. this is like the adrenaline rush. however, since the topic posted was hernia. i definite disagree to hold your breath since it can lead to it. during training, some tends to hold their breath a lot especially when they are lifting heavy. this is not just on incident but it always occurs. try to count on yourself to hold your breath if you are lifting heavy and continue this for a long time. let's just see what will be the effect. i saw this in rotten.com where a weighlifter squat tremendous amount of weight and performed valsalva maneuver and then his intestines literally got out of his anus. if you have watched ripley's, there is also an episode there where a man pop his eyes out due to valsalva maneuver.

 

with regards to the belt, i could not imagine increasing my strength just wearing a belt. that's why i call it on the psyche part of a person since his much more confident in lifting heavy weights since he feels that he is secure in wearing a belt.

believe me worshipme, i've a licensed PT. in a thread like this, we should always read both sides of contradicting statements for us not to be manipulated or monopolize by a single person. an intelligent reader should know how to balance all the things that he/she is reading.

 

okay... gotcha... in regards to the pros and cons of this valsalva method, well, i think that this method is NOT for newbies and beginners... at all... and yes it could probably lead to hernia if you base it on physiological and anatomical theory however I still firmly believe that the pros do outweigh the cons... sabi nga ni jaworski diba, "kung ayaw mo masaktan, wag ka mag basketball!" Im not yet a FIRM believer of this practice but I think that it is very advantageous to reaching your max capacity if done correctly...

 

In regards to that guy with his stuff popping out of his anus, that is an extreme case... That is the price that he had to pay to get to where he wanted to go... its all about that... There is a responsible way of doing things, but to say that everything physically related is risk free is like saying I'm mestiso... hehehehehehe

 

The belt... haaaaay... the belt... in this case sir, experience should be your teacher... again, I have gone through extensive anatomical, physiological and kinesiological training like you and i am not out to disprove your expertise but the fact is that you are NOT experienced enough in physical activities and im pretty sure that you don't have a degree in exercise physiology (neither do i) to make a firm claim regarding something that you have not personally experienced...

 

In any case, thats my thing really...

 

I worked out in ecclipse gym yesterday and i will try to be objective... honestly, i loved the place... rarely do i find a group of people who really know what they're doing and when asked a question, they don't give you a crap answer like "Duh eh i answered like that because thats what they taught me at the seminar so it has to be true!!!" critical thinking is very rampant in this place so it is very conducive to higher learning... some principles im not totally convinced but im about 75 percent there...

 

My body is hurting like HELL by the way... completely... My squat got revisioned and so has my dynamic rows... PAIN... GROAN...

[dj25]

okay... gotcha... in regards to the pros and cons of this valsalva method, well, i think that this method is NOT for newbies and beginners... at all... and yes it could probably lead to hernia if you base it on physiological and anatomical theory however I still firmly believe that the pros do outweigh the cons... sabi nga ni jaworski diba, "kung ayaw mo masaktan, wag ka mag basketball!" Im not yet a FIRM believer of this practice but I think that it is very advantageous to reaching your max capacity if done correctly...In regards to that guy with his stuff popping out of his anus, that is an extreme case... That is the price that he had to pay to get to where he wanted to go... its all about that... There is a responsible way of doing things, but to say that everything physically related is risk free is like saying I'm mestiso... hehehehehehe....The belt... haaaaay... the belt... in this case sir, experience should be your teacher... again, I have gone through extensive anatomical, physiological and kinesiological training like you and i am not out to disprove your expertise but the fact is that you are NOT experienced enough in physical activities and im pretty sure that you don't have a degree in exercise physiology (neither do i) to make a firm claim regarding something that you have not personally experienced...In any case, thats my thing really... I worked out in ecclipse gym yesterday and i will try to be objective... honestly, i loved the place... rarely do i find a group of people who really know what they're doing and when asked a question, they don't give you a crap answer like "Duh eh i answered like that because thats what they taught me at the seminar so it has to be true!!!" critical thinking is very rampant in this place so it is very conducive to higher learning... some principles im not totally convinced but im about 75 percent there...

My body is hurting like HELL by the way... completely... My squat got revisioned and so has my dynamic rows... PAIN... GROAN...

 

i know that there are no such thing as risk free. what i posted is just something for all of us to know regarding this method. it's up to you to follow it or not since it's your body not mine. as the saying goes "NO PAIN NO GAIN."

[BEaST-RiPPed]

Whos the skiny kid?

Better identify the people you are talking about.

 

Eeny... Meeny... Meinie... Hey Moe!

Big Smile! Big Smile! BIG SMILE!

 

 

 

In regards to that guy with his stuff popping out of his anus, that is an extreme case...

 

 

mr. equus, did i read this ryt?? may kinalman ba sa hernia ung lumalabas sa wetpu? hindi ba almoranas na ung ganyan?

tatanong lng po

[dj25]

with regards to the belt, i don't think you should have an experience just to wear a belt. and what kind of degree of exercise physiology are you referring to?

for me the belt only gives you back support, do you know what this belt is called it is a "LUMBAR SUPPORT BELT".

unless it is called "STRENGTH SUPPORT BELT", then i would agree that it will give you strength.

i also wear this belt during squat because sometimes my posture is not right. this belt gives me the prompt that this should be my proper posture during this exercise.

 

Actually, your program is good and I applaude the EG team for that.

 

However, someone already posted a question regarding a medical condition with regards to fitness and i think this is beyond EG's team of expertise.

 

Like what Oly previously posted.

 

Leave the strength training to them and leave the medical condition to someone who has a medical background.

 

 

Almoranas is the tagalog term for hernia in the anus. marami kasi klase ng hernia.

yung pinost ko na lumabas yung large intestine niya sa anus is a different thing.

[BEaST-RiPPed]

Almoranas is the tagalog term for hernia in the anus. marami kasi klase ng hernia.

yung pinost ko na lumabas yung large intestine niya sa anus is a different thing.

 

 

teka may nagsabi ksi sakin na hernia daw is luslos e ang layo nman ata nun sa almoranas...

tatanong lng po

[Eclipseguy]

All of this is very simple.

 

DJ25, there is no link because, as I said already, Supertraining and other books by Dr. Siff are books that must be purchased. You are welcome to review the copy that we keep at Eclipse. Just search intra-abdominal pressure on Google if you want to do some good reading. Dr. Siff is not the only physiologist/biomechanics expert to write about IAP. There are many other Russian coaches and scientists from the Soviet bloc who have wrote extensively about how important it is to safety and stability.

 

Your rotten.com example (if even true at all since we don't see an actual picture of a power event) is less-than equivalent to the 1-2 people every year (worldwide) who die from flesh-eating bacteria after getting a paper cut or other superficial wound. A whole bunch of "worst case" scenarios had to play out for it to be a possibility.

 

Again, we are talking about normal, healthy individuals. I can picture you at your PC with a bunch of your old PT text books spread out where you are reviewing your notes. Stop reviewing "worst case" scenarios/diagnosis and start looking at sports physiology for normal and healthy individuals. What you are saying is the equivalent to saying "nobody should ever drive cars and fly the airlines because people have died when taking those forms of transportation". When those disasters happen, there is an underlying defect which must be found. If the defect didn't exist, then there would have been no disaster. It's the same case where if someone has a physical defect that should keep them from participating in strength training, then they shouldn't defy their doctors orders and do it anyway.

 

Simple. The sky is not falling.

[Eclipseguy]

The Valsalva is as follows:

 

You take a deep breath. You squat to the bottom and the air in your lungs will give you stability and power to quickly launch yourself to the top. Nearing the top, most guys will hiss excess air pressure, or grunt (which releases pressure), or whatever since the pressure will be too great to maintain at a reasonable level to avoid passing out, eyes popping out of heads, dumping a load of poop-in-pants....Common sense.

 

Eyes popping out of heads? You have got to be kidding. We are comparing something deliberate and stupid to something that requires a skilled strength coach? I'm stunned.

[Eclipseguy]

why OLY, afraid of arguing to an intelligent person. don't you feel the adrenaline rush when you have a heated argument.

What are plyometrics?

Plyometrics are any exercise where the muscle is contracted eccentricly then immediately, concentricly. In plain English, the muscle is stretched (i.e. loaded) before it is contracted. A good example is push-ups with a clap in-between each push-up. Your muscle (pectorals in this case) is elongated and loaded by the downward force of your body, then immediately you must contract the muscle to push yourself back up.

 

Why do I care?

 

A: Because plyometrics is one of the best ways if not the best way to improve power. To justify this answer lets first look at what is power. Power is similar to strength except you are adding the time factor. Therefore the relation of strength and speed is what we are talking about when we talk about power. A person who can perform a specific resistance movement, such as jumping, bench press etc., the fastest would be said to have more power in that movement. So what we are looking at is not just the contraction of the muscle, but how fast will it contract. It has been shown that a muscle will contract the fastest when it has been loaded. This is why you should be able to jump higher if you crouch down then immediately jump up than if you started in the crouch. So if this is the best way to perform a powerful movement lets practice these movements. This practic e is called plyometrics and has been shown in study after study to decrease the time it takes for the muscles to contract, resulting in more power.

 

What are good plyometric exercises for increasing vertical jump?

 

A: There are an infinite number of plyometric exercises to increase vertical leap but here are a few good ones:

Two foot ankle hop (low intensity)

keeping your feet together and remaining in one place hop up and down using only your ankles and calves. Concentrate on getting as high as you can and exploding off the ground as soon as you land.

Rim Jumps (medium intensity)

Stand under a basketball rim. Jump up touching the rim (or net or whatever) with alternate hands. Concentrate on getting as high as you can and exploding off the ground as soon as you land.

Box to Box jumps (high intensity)

Place two boxes that will support your weight about 3 feet apart. Standing on one box step (NOT JUMP) off to the ground and immediately jump back up to the other box. Turn around and repeat. Obviously the difficulty of this exercise is increased as the height of the boxes are increased. Once again concentrate on getting as high as you can and exploding off the ground as soon as you land (notice a pat tern here?)

 

In all the above exercises you are using your body weight and gravity to load the muscle before contraction. The forces you generate are much larger than could be safely accomplished using conventional resistance (read weights) exercises. It is true these forces only exist for a brief amount of time, but they still stress the muscle which is the point.

 

Plyometric is not bad, it just depends on the intensity the person should do. you will surely incur injuries if you do high impact plyometrics if you are still in the beginners stage.

hahaha, EG, you are a funny person. you said that you don't have time but still you answer my question.

if you read my post, i told that you can post the link so that i can read it and change my perception. i don't want to go to a library just to waste my time reading this, the net is all that i need which is much faster. i hope you can post the link of Dr. Siff that the lungs and abs work together to stabilize the back. i have not read in any anatomy books that the lungs and abs can work together side by side to stabilize the back.

What do you mean IAP?

i also can't imagine myself wearing a belt and it could increase my strength. how does a belt increase somebody's strength.

i think this is more on the psychological part. this is like lifting something heavy but when you have a spotter you feel that you can lift it.

 

do you know the meaning of acute and chronic. having a hernia is not developed overnight, it is a long process and takes time. if somebody holds his breath over and over again, this would result to a hernia for a period of time. unless that person is just lifting for some months and would stop and then would lift again. do you see my point.

 

my argument here, some of the people posting in this thread is seeking advice for some medical related problems and concerns but still they want to have a model body. it is nonsense to say that this thread is for normal and healthy individuals. you should broaded you market with fitness. if you only cater for the normal individuals, you neglected some individuals who have medical condition but still wants to be fit. remember that FITNESS IS FOR ALL.

i don't want to argue with you when it comes to strenght training because this is your specialization. however, if i saw wrong advice for a medical condition, i will not just sit here and read. i want to correct that error. just what like you do if you see some wrong information for strength training.

 

 

1) My point of posting was to differentiate acute from chronic. What you, as a therapist, must deal with is based on the result a chronic condition. The pressure from IAP is acute in a NORMAL HEALTHY individual.

 

2) Please do not give advice on plyometrics if you are not a coach or an athlete. Plyometrics is dangerous even to ADVANCED athletes if they are not physically prepared for it. The problem here in the Philippines (especially lately) is that everyone reads even less than what you wrote, thinks that they are an expert and then gets hurt trying to practice these techniques. I would guess that NOT ONE person reading this board is in physical condition or has a level of preparedness condusive to learning plyo. Olympus is probably close in his conditioning and overall pound-for-pound lower body strength, but even then he still needs even more strength before I'd recommend that he start it.

[Olympus]

Grabe napakataas naman ng tingin mo sa sarili mo. Pati yung pt ko iniinsulto ma na rin. For your info mam Anna, my PT is a part time gym instructor and a PT prof in PLM. She also handles the rehab-athletics gym in PLM. She knows the theory and the actual application way better than you. Also she is not rude and a well educated person.

 

Ive had enough of you and your friends.

 

Maybe your right, my mentor, SQ, is an idiot because she did not taught us how to be sarcastic and rude when it comes to dealing with instructors with a different approach.

 

Didn't we go through this that physical therapists have no room in the gym? Tha fact that she couldn't instruct you in the proper manner means she is all theory and no application.

 

If you can't take the heat, get out of the oven!