PacMan's Corner

[Larry]

"Kung dederechuhin natin, parang benta (If we want straight talk, it's like he sold the match)."

 

lol

 

like I said there's no compelling reason for Oscar to throw the fight. he set the damn thing to win it.

[LYCHEE]

when freddie roach talked about getting manny 2 more fights before manny may think of retirement making him the greatest fighter ever, roach points to ricky hatton (who is the next logical choice after oscar) n floyd mayweather (if he comes out of retirement)...win or lose, surely those 2 fights will be the biggest purse ever for pacman...all the more reason for all boxing fans to look forward to . :thumbsupsmiley:

Edited December 8, 2008 by LYCHEE

[ixnay]

Juan Manuel Marquez

 

- Oh cry cry little baby! Cry cry! Because you aint getting that rematch anytime soon! He has no reason to prove s@%t to you. He kocked you down 4 times already. Get over it! MP is a better fighter than you! Cry cry little baby

 

Bernard Hopkins

- Now who took who to school? Who took who to retirement?

 

[/i]

 

 

i saw JMM being interviewed and looks like he's begging to fight mnany. even saying he can also go up to 147 Lbs just to get a rematch!.. sore looser!... hehe..

 

and On B-hop.. he said during the weigh - in that oscar will deck manny and if no one believes what he says.. they can do the talking outside the MGM grand.. another freakin looser!...

Edited December 8, 2008 by ixnay

[The_Blade]

actually now that I think about it, I'm ashamed for ODLH

 

a true champion never quits.

 

I've never seen a champion quit on his stool

 

Even when Manny destroyed Barrera and took his soul, It was Barrera's brother that threw in the towel and had to hold Barrera back into his corner.

 

Erik Morales took his beating like a man too.

 

Oscar knew he didn't have anything for Manny so he just stopped trying, which is shameful. Which is why the majority of Mexican boxing fans hate him.

 

true champion also has to be smart not just full of pride chicken. sabi nga nya he is "smart".

 

yung mga ma pride na champion na di marunong tumangap na pagkatalo habang bugbog na eh gulay kahihinatnan. dahil hindi smart.

 

classic example ALI.

 

si barerra may tama na ulo yun.

 

si erik pwede pang tumayo pero nag "wink" sya sa corner nya. ayaw na nya.

 

at hindi naman si odlh ang nag tapon ng towel corner nya.

[ixnay]

lolz on making chino a commentator in a video game!... hahaha

[uaeboy25]

sabi ng mga expert dati mahirap kalaban ang southpaw, dahil sa continous head movement. well sumakit talaga ulo ni odlh kay pacman plus may punching power si pacman. orthodox ang fighting stance ni delahoya. nakababa ang kamay napaka vulnerable at favorite iknockdown ng southpaw. at walang kahirap hirap para dahan dahan na maheadhunt.

 

based sa record si hector camacho ang huling nakalaban ni odlh na southpaw it was 1997. dela hoya made a mistake by picking pacman. he believed pacman is an easy prey. kaso baligtad. katulad sya ni moralez na nahihirapan kay pacman. too bad for delahoya, he didnt see that big hole. hahaha

 

kaya naman pala ang sabi nya his plan is to move forward. and too bad kung ganun ang plan nya checkmate sya sa southpaw, heavy puncher and at his prime na si manny pacquiao.

[dragonei]

hatton is the next logical fight for pacquiao....but honestly, i want to see him fight floyd mayweather jr (hopefully he goes out of retirement, 2nd or 3rd time, right?). all the recent fights of pacman were against mexicans, if ever he fights hatton i think it will be a 1st with a white guy. i haven't seen him fight against a black american. everyone says manny is the best pound for pound boxer right now....but he hasn't fought with hatton yet and pls do remember that the only lose of hatton came at the hands of mayweather, and it was via knock out.

 

Oh we all do! He has been talking s@%t about himself being the best boxer of this generation. But now that manny has moved up to welterweight he has to reevealuate that statement. Especially that manny did way better than he did against de la hoya.

 

Many analysts believe he will fight again later part of 2009. I mean Floyd Mayweather Jr. is only 30 years old. What is he going to do? Besides there were rumors that the retirement was just a way for him to avoid upcoming welterweight sensation miguel cotto.

 

Thats another dream match na aabangan natin. Problema nyan, if Mayweather decides to come out of retirement around say late 2009 or early 2010, lets hope by then manny is not yet trying to run for office. Kasi siguradong magiging distracted lang siya sa paghahanda kay Mayweather. This guy has really one of the best defensive skills in the history of the sport

Edited December 8, 2008 by dragonei

[wizard23]

AL MENDOZA(veteran Sports Writer)!!!

 

 

 

 

 

ayan ang sabi ni AL-AL Mendoza..

 

ano ba nahithit mo?

 

Magkano ba talo mo sa pustahan?

 

nanuod ka ba ng mabuti? hahahaha.

 

ang daming BOXING EXPERTS KUNO na napahiya sa laban na ito!!!

 

 

leche talaga tong si al mendoza. palibhasa, laki ng talo nya sa pustahan kaya sourgraping.

[dragonei]

i saw JMM being interviewed and looks like he's begging to fight mnany. even saying he can also go up to 147 Lbs just to get a rematch!.. sore looser!... hehe..

 

Cry! Cry! Baby Marquez! Cry! Cry!

 

I see no reason kung bakit dapat pagaksayahan pa ng panahon ni Manny is Marquez. Marquez has got a lot to prove, si manny wala na.

 

Besides after 24 rounds, and being put down by the same guys 4 times, you oughta know who is the better fighter between the two.

 

Yes Marquez landed more punches than MP in their last bout. Pero di lang naman paramihan lang ng suntok ang boxing. The cleaner, and more solid punches were delivered by pacquiao in that 2nd fight.

 

This is why many believe (myself included), that de la hoya won that fight against mayweather. it was odlh who was putting the pressure on him and pitting him. In terms of the quality of punches ODLH was landing the better ones

[Larry]

lol @ Al Mendoza talking out of his ass

 

"If Pacquiao went into that fight prepared to win, de la Hoya went in prepared to lose. [De la Hoya] won championships in six weight divisions and a gold medal in the Olympics but last Saturday, he didn't turn in an Oscar award-winning performance. He could have won an Oscar award for not fighting," Mendoza told radio dzMM.

 

That was the Oscar of 10 years ago. The Oscar that manny fought was the same oscar that eked out a decision win over Steve Forbes who also jumped weight from 130lbs. This is the same Oscar who hasn't fought top-caliber fighters in 10 years, but instead opts for fighting over the hill fighters (ala Chavez) or fighters coming up in weight to fight him, all while avoiding top ten fighters who fight in their natural weight classes (Margarito, Pavlik, etc.)

 

Thinking about it now, I don't see how Manny became the underdog in this, when judging from their careers, Manny has fought better competition (Morales, Marquez, and Barrera) all in their primes and brutalized all of them.

He also downplayed reports that de la Hoya's age and weight loss resulted in him losing the fight. "Loss in weight should not be a factor, especially with [de la Hoya's] caliber. He has people who could train him to offset that," he said in Filipino.

 

LOL

 

if you cut weight that fast (as evidenced by the HBO 24/7 documentary, Oscar weighed in at 159 at one point almost 4 weeks before the fight), you will lose something. Plus his special diet was crap. You can't train right if you're body isn't prepared for it.

 

Al Mendoza has officially lost his credibility.

[Guernica]

AL MENDOZA(veteran Sports Writer)!!!

 

 

 

 

 

ayan ang sabi ni AL-AL Mendoza..

 

ano ba nahithit mo?

 

Magkano ba talo mo sa pustahan?

 

nanuod ka ba ng mabuti? hahahaha.

 

ang daming BOXING EXPERTS KUNO na napahiya sa laban na ito!!!

Al Mendoza is a knucklehead

[mix.boyz]

Al Mendoza is another stupid sports analyst and sour loser who made his bet to ODLH knowing that an aging 35 year old and future hall of fame boxer can still pull the trigger....hehehe... :evil: :boo:

 

Ang matindi pa dito kay AL matapos matalo sa pustahan ay gumagawa ng istorya na kesyo hinulog daw ni Oscar ang laban....

 

so here's the full abs.cbn.com news:

 

 

Analyst: De la Hoya prepared to lose

abs-cbnNEWS.com | 12/08/2008 10:48 AM

 

Did Oscar de la Hoya throw the fight against Manny Pacquiao?

 

According to veteran sportswriter Al Mendoza, de la Hoya's lackluster performance against the Pacman fell far short of the "Golden Boy's" usual caliber and is raising doubts that the Mexican champ had no intention of winning the fight.

 

"If Pacquiao went into that fight prepared to win, de la Hoya went in prepared to lose. [De la Hoya] won championships in six weight divisions and a gold medal in the Olympics but last Saturday, he didn't turn in an Oscar award-winning performance. He could have won an Oscar award for not fighting," Mendoza told radio dzMM.

 

"He didn't look like the Golden Boy. More like the Olden Boy," he added.

 

Asked if he thought if de la Hoya had deliberately lost the match, he said: "Kung dederechuhin natin, parang benta (If we want straight talk, it's like he sold the match)."

 

He also echoed the words of sports columnist Jimmy Cannon who once wrote: "Boxing is the red-light district of sports."

Mendoza, who rooted for de la Hoya before the fight, said Pacquiao threw 333 punches in the fight of which 59 percent found its mark. On the other hand, de la Hoya threw about 164 bombs but less than half hit the Pinoy boxer.

He said de la Hoya's performance was so listless that the referee could have warned the Mexican as early as the sixth round that the fight would not continue if de la Hoya did not box.

 

He also downplayed reports that de la Hoya's age and weight loss resulted in him losing the fight. "Loss in weight should not be a factor, especially with [de la Hoya's] caliber. He has people who could train him to offset that," he said in Filipino.

 

In the end, however, Mendoza said he will not belittle Pacquiao's victory since the Pinoy boxer trained very hard for the fight and deserved the win.

"We're not belittling [Pacquiao's] win but his opponent was not very good. This was a TKO without hardly putting up a fight. De la Hoya was like de la Hopia," he said. (Hopia is a type of soft pastry.)

 

Pacquiao, the pint-sized pugilist from General Santos City, came into the "Dream Match" as an underdog against the taller and more experienced de la Hoya. But from the first round to the ninth round stoppage, Pacquiao demolished the Golden Boy's height and reach advantage with such blinding speed that the Mexican had to go to the nearest hospital after the fight for a checkup.

 

The Filipino stepped up two weight classes to meet de la Hoya in the 147-lb division. He last fought and won the WBC lightweight crown against David Diaz in Las Vegas in June this year.

 

De la Hoya last fought at 147 lbs when he lost by split decision to Shane Mosley on June 17, 2000. The following year, he won against Arturo Gatti at 146.

Nevada State Athletic Commission executive director Keith Kizer earlier told Manila-based sports analyst Ronnie Nathanielsz that Pacquiao will get a guaranteed purse of $6 million while de la Hoya gets $20

[uaeboy25]

isa lang masasabi ko.. ETO KA!!! iIi

 

 

Analyst: De la Hoya prepared to lose

 

 

Did Oscar de la Hoya throw the fight against Manny Pacquiao?

 

According to veteran sportswriter Al Mendoza, de la Hoya's lackluster performance against the Pacman fell far short of the "Golden Boy's" usual caliber and is raising doubts that the Mexican champ had no intention of winning the fight.

 

"If Pacquiao went into that fight prepared to win, de la Hoya went in prepared to lose. [De la Hoya] won championships in six weight divisions and a gold medal in the Olympics but last Saturday, he didn't turn in an Oscar award-winning performance. He could have won an Oscar award for not fighting," Mendoza told radio dzMM.

 

"He didn't look like the Golden Boy. More like the Olden Boy," he added.

 

Asked if he thought if de la Hoya had deliberately lost the match, he said: "Kung dederechuhin natin, parang benta (If we want straight talk, it's like he sold the match)."

 

He also echoed the words of sports columnist Jimmy Cannon who once wrote: "Boxing is the red-light district of sports."

 

Mendoza, who rooted for de la Hoya before the fight, said Pacquiao threw 333 punches in the fight of which 59 percent found its mark. On the other hand, de la Hoya threw about 164 bombs but less than half hit the Pinoy boxer.

 

He said de la Hoya's performance was so listless that the referee could have warned the Mexican as early as the sixth round that the fight would not continue if de la Hoya did not box.

 

He also downplayed reports that de la Hoya's age and weight loss resulted in him losing the fight. "Loss in weight should not be a factor, especially with [de la Hoya's] caliber. He has people who could train him to offset that," he said in Filipino.

 

In the end, however, Mendoza said he will not belittle Pacquiao's victory since the Pinoy boxer trained very hard for the fight and deserved the win.

 

"We're not belittling [Pacquiao's] win but his opponent was not very good. This was a TKO without hardly putting up a fight. De la Hoya was like de la Hopia," he said. (Hopia is a type of soft pastry.)

 

Pacquiao, the pint-sized pugilist from General Santos City, came into the "Dream Match" as an underdog against the taller and more experienced de la Hoya. But from the first round to the ninth round stoppage, Pacquiao demolished the Golden Boy's height and reach advantage with such blinding speed that the Mexican had to go to the nearest hospital after the fight for a checkup.

 

The Filipino stepped up two weight classes to meet de la Hoya in the 147-lb division. He last fought and won the WBC lightweight crown against David Diaz in Las Vegas in June this year.

 

De la Hoya last fought at 147 lbs when he lost by split decision to Shane Mosley on June 17, 2000. The following year, he won against Arturo Gatti at 146.

 

Nevada State Athletic Commission executive director Keith Kizer earlier told Manila-based sports analyst Ronnie Nathanielsz that Pacquiao will get a guaranteed purse of $6 million while de la Hoya gets $20 million.

 

Pacquiao was 'Goliath', not de la Hoya

 

Boxing purists got it right from the start: the Dream Match between Pacquiao and de la Hoya was indeed a mismatch. The fight, however, ended the other way around: underdog Pacquiao outclassed the once classy de la Hoya via technical knockout.

 

“Goliath, er, Pacquiao, had slayed de la Hoya, who we might never see in the ring again (or at least shouldn't see in the ring again) after a massive destruction that landed him in the hospital as a precaution afterward,” said ESPN.com’s Dan Rafael.

 

Rafael, who himself favored de la Hoya to win, described Pacquiao as a master inside the ring.

 

“Pacquiao was a master, strafing de la Hoya with brutal straight lefts all night,” said Rafael.

 

He said the Filipino’s blinding speed almost turned de la Hoya into a statue.

 

“His speed was impressive against the statue-like de la Hoya, the 35-year-old Golden Boy whose pretty face was messed up when the carnage was over,” Rafael said.

 

HBO boxing writer Chuck Johnson said the upset win was clearly not included in the boxing script.

 

“It was clear from the start that the theater of the unexpected was changing another boxing script,” he said.

 

Johnson said that it was surprising to see Pacquiao taking the fight to the expected winner.

 

“The stunning part was that Pacquiao not only won but also dictated virtually every round of the scheduled 12-round fight,” he said.

 

PhilBoxing.com's Ed de la Vega said the Filipino proved his critics wrong as defied all the odds.

 

“A whole plethora of so called ‘experts’ said it cannot be done. Many insisted it should not be done,” said de la Vega. “But what made it a cut above was not only because the little guy won, but how he won.”

 

He added that the vindication and the boxing glory that came from the win has made Pacquiao’s triumph even sweeter.

 

“Forget the alphabet titles and the sparkling belts that come with them. This one is for all the marbles and the glory (and the money) that can only come with fights of this magnitude,” said de la Vega.

kahit saang larangan ng individual sports, small guy can beat small guy. masyadong scientifc lang kasi ang ibang nagmamarunong. lalo na kung marginalized na ang ht and wt diff. even us hindi natin nakita ang madaming loopholes sa style ng dlh. una maganda syang magbigay ng combination, just watch round 1 and 5. kinocorner nya si pacman plus inulit nya ung ginawa nya kay gayweather na parang hinawakan nya then rapido ng left hand. im sure natakot si roach nung macorner ng ganun sipacman. lkaya naman sinabi ni roach avoid the rope, nandun and advantage ni oscar.

 

distructed si dlh kay pacman, everytime na humakbang sya para umasinta sinasalubong sya ng 1-2 punch combo, kung nakacover naman sa mukha nya ang braso nya dinidistruct ni pacman ang braso nya by hitting it continously. once nacorner na nya si pacman nahihirapan sya umasinta pababa dahil yumuyuko si pacman. hindi isang beses lumapat ang mukha ni pacman sa tyan ni delahoya ganun kababa ang yoko nya. naparactice ng husto.

 

bad thing is masyadong pinaghandaan ni dlh kung pano nya gagamitin ang ht and wt advantage nya sa round one unat na unat sya and kinocorner nya ang mas maliit na si pacman. pacman's fighting stance is very hard but this is the reason why some boxers avoiding him. once hindi nasolve total demolition ang aabutin. never questio the age of other boxer na tinalo ni pacman. they didnt reach their 40's. dlh still the dlh whe he fight steve forbes. na nanalo sya ng ud. he just cant solve the play of this lttle southpaw. nde pa ganun katanda si barrera at moralez. barrera is just 34 as of now, 29 sya nung una syang matalo kay pacman, same age ngaun ni pacman, some people wala na sa prime si barrera that time(is this early aging syndrome?). the reality they cant solve the style of pacman. jmm is 35 now pero nde sya masyadong nadurog ni pacman. its just happen na mas effective ang style nya kesa kay barrera(sorry sa fans ni barrera) moralez is just 32 as of now but he find more difficult to resolve matching up with pacman style. they are ol fighting in orthdox stance, together with dlh they are all orthodox na favorte food ng hungry fist ni pacman. hahaha

 

let see kung may magagawa si hatton and gayweather kay pacman. sabi nga ng analys walang kadaladala.

[jerzz]

Cry! Cry! Baby Marquez! Cry! Cry!

 

I see no reason kung bakit dapat pagaksayahan pa ng panahon ni Manny is Marquez. Marquez has got a lot to prove, si manny wala na.

 

Besides after 24 rounds, and being put down by the same guys 4 times, you oughta know who is the better fighter between the two.

 

Yes Marquez landed more punches than MP in their last bout. Pero di lang naman paramihan lang ng suntok ang boxing. The cleaner, and more solid punches were delivered by pacquiao in that 2nd fight.

 

This is why many believe (myself included), that de la hoya won that fight against mayweather. it was odlh who was putting the pressure on him and pitting him. In terms of the quality of punches ODLH was landing the better ones

 

Objectively, kay Marquez lang nahirapan si Pacquiao sa last 9 fights niya

 

Dela Hoya - TKO 9 - Easy Win

David Diaz - TKO 9 - Easy Win

Marquez - Split Decision (debatable)

Barrera - Unanimous Decision - Easy Win

Solis - KO 8 - Easy Win

Morales - KO 3 - Easy Win

Larios - Unanimous Decision - Easy Win

Morales - KO 10 - Ito medyo hirap din sya

Velaquez - TKO 6 - Easy Win

Morales - Lost UD

[thedynamite007]

GO! pacman sana ma arbor ku ung philippine flag jacket nya na me MP na logo hehehe! Sana maka laban nya tong mayabang na floyd mayweather na walang ginawa kundi umilag and tumakbo. He is overrated. But first MP must beat Hatton on england soil to solidify more his greatness, imagine sa england pa. Ma giging katumas na nya si Beckham, England rugby team and Spice girls and beetles sa kasikatan hehehe! God save the Queen!!!!!