PacMan's Corner

[brawler201]

I'm starting to have that sinking feeling again. Pacquiao was again declared a 7-5 favorite by the Vegas bookies. It looks somebody wants to make a killing and Manny is being used as the bait. He better knock out Morales or he'llend up holding a very short stick at the end of the fight regardless of how much he outboxes El Terrible.

[Koji21]

I'm starting to have that sinking feeling again.  Pacquiao was again declared a 7-5 favorite by the Vegas bookies.  It looks somebody wants to make a killing and Manny is being used as the bait.  He better knock out Morales or he'llend up holding a very short stick at the end of the fight regardless of how much he outboxes El Terrible.

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Kelan lumabas yung odds?

 

Hmmm.....

 

Just finished watching again(3rd time) the Pacman-Eric bout. Two things I noticed, first, Manny kept moving straight backwards everytime Eric gets aggressive. Not much side stepping. Second, Manny would stop after his offensive, giving Eric time to counterpunch. Two things to improve on.

 

Brawler201, how do you think Louie Espinosa and Manny Pacquiao would have fared against Flash Elorde, probably at Junior Lightweight?

 

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[brawler201]

I can't give a definite on this as I haven't had the previlage of seeing any of D' Flash's fights. But this is a very interesting match up. Calling some of the more "mature" boxing fans. Inputs please.

[brawler201]

Lumabas sa column ni Quinito Henson sa Phil. Star kahapon. So mga 2-3 days ago lumabas sa Vegas. Pinapainit ng oddsmakers ang mga chicano paro lalong tumaya.

[Koji21]

Lumabas sa column ni Quinito Henson sa Phil. Star kahapon. So mga 2-3 days ago lumabas sa Vegas.  Pinapainit ng oddsmakers ang mga chicano paro lalong tumaya.

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I've watched a couple of Flash Elorde's bouts(against Love Alloti ata yun, one bout with Sandy Saddler, and another with a Jap guy-the one he beat for the junior lightweight title). Medyo grainy yun, sa ESPN classics kasi. One thing I can say, may right sya sa title na best Filipino boxer. Haven't seen Pancho Villa though.

 

Member ka ba sa boxingtalk? May classics section dun sa message board, check it out. :cool:

[brawler201]

^^Saan yang boxingtalk?

 

I think I saw that Sandy Sandler fight eons ago. Grade school pa yata ako. They had this boxing show on channel 7 that showed classics. Elorde was fighting for the Lightweght title and was actually leading the fight when he had to stop because of cuts. Sobrang gulang kasi nyang si Sandler, parang si Agapito Sanchez. D' Flash fought him twice and both fights ended in the same manner. These fights were a few years before Elorde became a jr. lightweight champ as the boxing bodies only later introduced the titles to the broken weight sizes.

[Koji21]

^^Saan yang boxingtalk?

 

I think I saw that Sandy Sandler fight eons ago. Grade school pa yata ako. They had this boxing show on channel 7 that showed classics.  Elorde was fighting for the Lightweght title and was actually leading the fight when he had to stop because of cuts.  Sobrang gulang kasi nyang si Sandler, parang si Agapito Sanchez.  D' Flash fought him twice and both fights ended in the same manner.  These fights were a few years before Elorde became a jr. lightweight champ as the boxing bodies only later introduced the titles to the broken weight sizes.

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boxingtalk.com. Merong classics section dun sa message board, dami ko natutunan. I don't know if it is permitted here, pero try ko lang.

 

http://boxingtalk.com/

 

About Sandy Saddler, I thought Elorde won the first bout.

 

But you're right, the second bout had Flash leading before the stoppage(on cuts). Eh sobrang dumi ni saddler, kinakaskas yung inside of the gloves, yung ulo nya, pati na yata kilikili. May article nga sa Ring Magazine tungkol dyan, dapat daw disqualified si Saddler dahil garapal yung fouls nya.

[brawler201]

^^Tama ka nga. Natalo si Saddler sa first fight pero non-title fight. Sa Manila pa ginawa yung laban. However, Elorde gave a good account of himself to earn a legit shot at Saddler's featherweight crown. Di pala lightweight title. He lost on a 13th round stoppage due to cuts while leading in the cards. Iba pa ang rules noon, kung ngayon nangyari yan, panalo sana si Elorde. It was also Saddler's last title defense. I mixed him up with the great Carlos Ortiz, who Elorde fought twice for the former's lightweight title. D' Flash lost on stoppage in the 14th round of both fights.

[Koji21]

^^Tama ka nga. Natalo si Saddler sa first fight pero non-title fight. Sa Manila pa ginawa yung laban. However, Elorde gave a good account of himself to earn a legit shot at  Saddler's featherweight crown. Di pala lightweight title. He lost on a 13th round stoppage due to cuts while leading in the cards. Iba pa ang rules noon, kung ngayon nangyari yan, panalo sana si Elorde. It was also Saddler's last title defense. I mixed him up with the great Carlos Ortiz, who Elorde fought twice for the former's lightweight title. D' Flash lost on stoppage in the 14th round of both fights.

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Yup, Flash lost to the great Carlos Ortiz twice, both by stoppage(cuts ata yung isa). Pero maganda pa rin yung pinakita nya. But Flash beat Ishmael Laguna, who I beleive ko'd Ortiz once. Maganda yung resume ni Flash, and most consider him the best Fil Boxer(kasama si Pancho Villa).

 

How do you think a PAC-JMM rematch turn-out?

 

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[brawler201]

Here's more motivation for Pac Man to take care of Morales convincingly in their next fight: a chance to let Marco Barrera eat his words and another chance to give the Mexican loudmouth a bitch slapping. Heck, Morales should just lose this one on purpose just to have someone beat the s**t out of Barrera as he will always have a hard time winning over Barrera. He just losses his wits when he's in the ring with Marco and just brawls.

 

 

 

 

Barrera picks Morales over Pacquiao

 

The Philippine Star 12/09/2005

 

Marco Antonio Barrera, the Mexican legend who beat arch rival Erik Morales in the trilogy of their classic duel but whom Manny Pacquiao demolished to gain worldwide recognition a couple of years ago, has picked Morales over the Filipino boxing icon when the two clash in a rematch on Jan. 21 in Las Vegas.

 

"Morales will dominate in an easy fight," said Barrera in an interview with popular boxing website SecondsOut.

 

Barrera downplayed Morales’ listless 12-round loss to unheralded Zahir Raheem in September, saying his compatriot was not motivated and did not train hard aside from fighting too heavy (weighing in as a lightweight).

 

But Pacquiao, who stopped Hector Velazquez in the fifth round in the undercard of the Morales-Raheem fight, remains unfazed.

 

"It will be a different outcome this time. There will be no let-up," Pacquiao said in Filipino before he departed for the US to resume his training under renowned trainer Freddie Roach for the keenly-awaited fight dubbed "The Battle" at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas.

 

Meanwhile, Barrera said he is looking forward to fight the winner of the Morales-Pacquiao rematch midway next year.

 

"I want to fight the winner of (next month’s fight) and I think that will be Morales," said Barrera.

 

This developed as Morales, now training at the Queretaro in Mexico, announced that Jose Luis "Maestro" Lopez Sr will replace his father Jose Morales as the chief tactician for the Pacquiao return showdown.

 

The Durango, Mexico native Lopez, himself a former boxer who now manages his son, is highly respected for having steered him to the world championship.

 

"We are already working together and he helps me to work with the mitts," said Morales, who is now on the third week of training in the Querétaro, in an interview with Box-Latino.

 

The three-time world champion also divulged that his camp is already complete with the arrival of sparring partners Manuel "Pirri" Leyva and Mauro "Betillo" Gutiérrez III in addition to Osvaldo Alvarado, Jorge Quezada, Francisco Nava and Refugio Tiscareño. The group’s physician is Dr. Mario Sanchez.

[bubuy]

"I want to fight the winner of (next month’s fight) and I think that will be Morales," said Barrera.

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it's becoming clearer and clearer that MAB doesnt want any piece of PacMan.. he's so scared of getting his ass kicked around and his rep*tation thrown to the rafters..

[brawler201]

Yup, Flash lost to the great Carlos Ortiz twice, both by stoppage(cuts ata yung isa). Pero maganda pa rin yung pinakita nya. But Flash beat Ishmael Laguna, who I beleive ko'd Ortiz once. Maganda yung resume ni Flash, and most consider him the best Fil Boxer(kasama si Pancho Villa).

 

How do you think a PAC-JMM rematch turn-out?

 

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A JMM rematch is not a good fight for Pacquiao for two reasons: first, it's not a big money fight and second, JMM's style exposes Pacquiao's weaknesses and negates his strengths.

 

JMM is a classic counterpuncher and is a very busy boxer in the ring. He would have made a great amateur boxer. Pacquia must bring his game to be able to move with JMM to set up his kiler punches. If he allows JMM to dance around him, JMM will dictate the tempo of the fight. JMM will not hurt Pacquiao but he will look to be in control.

 

I have never seen the great Flash in action but the stories that regaled me from an older generation of boxing fans spoke of a great champion that inspired a nation and electrified the world. Very similar to the magic that Pacquiao wields today.

[Guest Inquisitive]

Hmmm.....

 

Just finished watching again(3rd time) the Pacman-Eric bout. Two things I noticed, first, Manny kept moving straight backwards everytime Eric gets aggressive. Not much side stepping. Second, Manny would stop after his offensive, giving Eric time to counterpunch. Two things to improve on.

 

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I agree. What Manny lacks is side stepping which has been evident in his career. Even during his fight with Barrera, Manny did not side step or turn to his right or left, he just went head on.

 

Manny has always been an in your face fighter all his life, it's what our local boxing pundits call a "fighter." However, that will not work against Morales because not only is he willing to go to war but he's very crafty too.

 

If Manny will change strategies and box more instead of trying to brawl too much, then he can beat Morales.

[brawler201]

Now they got him pissed! I hope Pacquiao can turn all this energy into good training and come up with the best fight of his life.

 

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Pacquiao: I bet my life I’ll win

 

The Philippine Star 12/13/2005

 

There will be no birthday or Christmas celebrations for Manny Pacquiao. Only an honest-to-goodness training for what could be the defining moment of his boxing career.

 

Pacquiao has stepped up his preparations for his keenly-awaited rematch with former three-time world champion Erik Morales on Jan. 21 at the Thomas and Mack Center in Las Vegas, vowing to avenge his loss to the Mexican fighter early this year.

 

Although the Filipino southpaw has recovered from that bitter defeat with a sweet victory over Hector Velazquez last September, the setback to Morales still hounds Pacquiao to this day.

 

In fact, he took exception to the latest tirades of his rival’s camp, telling his trainer Freddie Roach and promoter Gary Shaw "not to make excuses for his loss (to Morales) last March 19" and for Pacquiao to "accept defeat like a man."

 

"I am angry over what they said. I admit I lost," said Pacquiao in an interview with Viva Sports.

 

However, Pacquiao said it was not the same Manny Pacquiao when he fought Morales the first time, adding: "I was not one 100 percent. I took him lightly. I need to change some things."

 

This time around, Pacquiao said he will have no distractions and will not celebrate his birthday on Dec. 17 or even Christmas, saying "I want to have a total celebration on Jan. 21" after the fight with Morales.

 

"I will bet my life that I will win," Pacquiao said.

 

Told that the Las Vegas odds had him as a favorite, Pacquiao shrugged it off, saying: "I don’t worry about the odds. I’m just focused on the fight. I trained for two weeks in Cebu but this (Wild Card gym in LA) is where my heavy training is. I will not predict in which round he will fall. But I will do all I can in the ring, knockout or not."

 

Team Pacquiao had repeatedly claimed that distractions outside the ring cost Pacquiao the fight, including the quarrel over the gloves, ticket allocations, room assignments and a bitter difference with former promoter Murad Muhammad. This angered the Morales camp, which claimed Morales beat Pacquiao the first time and he will do it again.

[Flash Sentry]

A JMM rematch is not a good fight for Pacquiao for two reasons: first, it's not a big money fight and second, JMM's style exposes Pacquiao's weaknesses and negates his strengths.

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That's all good--but why does JMM keep on offering excuses not to fight Pacquiao if he can supposedly expose Manny's weaknesses?