PacMan's Corner

[the_joker]

ring's magazine na nga nagsabi eh, dapat daw panalo si marquez... :thumbsupsmiley:

Edited March 20, 2008 by the_joker

[0range1]

@Joker, Im iroy ka. Waray ka ngayn p#ta ka. Hehehehe. Birat.

 

Muntik na din ako bugbugin ng mga tao sa cine nun laban kc ang ingay ko pag tina tamaan si Manny. Lalo na nun, babasahin na ang scorecards. Sabi ko talo, to. Madami gsto umupak sakin. Hehehe. Iba tlga ang pinoy, kahit nd tma basta panalo.

[skitz]

It really is difficult to admit that Manny may have not won the fight. From the get go, I thought lumalamang tlga si Marquez. I can only give at least 4 rounds kay Pacman. The rest of the rounds, I believe JMM won.

 

Saka, hindi lang naman kokonti ang naniniwala na si Marquez tlga ang dapat nanalo, I looked around sa boxing sites and cgro 8 out of 10 thought Marquez won. We all know, madaming katiwalian sa judging ng boxing. I am not saying my lutuan, I am just saying Juan had the better performance.

 

Sana my rematch at ma KO na nya lang si Marquez. I disliked the fact na mali-mali ang footwork ni Manny. Hopefully, they can make some adjustments at ma nullify nila ang right hand ni JMM. Yun kc ang laging pumapasok e. Cgro kung nag try cla na gumalaw papunta sa right side ni Marquez bka nd ganon kadami ang pasok na matitinding kanan at combo ni JMM.

Ok. This is a LEGITIMATE observation. But let me explain something. First let me tell you that I worked as a sports reporter/writer some time ago. And here is the thing. YOU HAVE TO BE THERE to know what really went on. Those "spectacular punches" by JMM? Might have looked good on TV, but may NOT have any power from the vantage point of a judge sitting by the ringside. This is PRO-BOXING. Scoring punches are worth dick. Judges look at how JMM/Manny reacted to the punches of the other. Damage report? JMM was on the brink of getting knocked-out. Sure, there was a brief time when Manny looked groggy too. But bottomline is, JMM was more damaged than Manny.

 

As for the "maraming naniniwala na si JMM nanalo", who gives a f#&k? This is not a democracy. The opinion of Recah Trinidad, Chino Trinidad, that assh*le sri-lankan trying to pass for a Filipino Nathanielsz ain't worth jack. Naniwala ba ang olympic body sa kanila when they protested Onyok being cheated? So why should we listen to these f#&kers now when they are doubting our own? As I've said before, only the opinion of 3, the judges, count. And 2 of 3 says Manny won. So tough, JMM fans. Crying a river about it ain't gonna help your boy any.

 

Rematch? Again, sure! Pero, pila si JMM sa back of the line. Manny calls the shots. JMM NEEDS Manny. Manny doesn't need JMM. To the Recah Trinidad's who think this is still an unfinished business, let them suit up, earn a boxing career for themselves, and fight JMM all day and all night. Mga miron lang ang mga ogag na ito. Bakit pakikinggan ni Manny sila? Will Recah pay Manny 5 M USD should Manny get permanently injured? t#ang%na. Ang dali magka-opinion. They (and for a time, me) got paid by the column inch to write opinions out of our asses. But hell no. I NEVER ventured to tell anybody how to manage their careers.

[skitz]

ring's magazine na nga nagsabi eh, dapat daw panalo si marquez... :thumbsupsmiley:

Name one fighter who gave up his belt because RING MAGAZINE says he shouldn't have won. Meron ba?

[djrs]

@skitz,

 

amen to that.. same view here. hehehehehe.

 

hindi maraming naniniwala na panalo si pacman... maraming naloko ng SOLAR SPORTS at commentator lalo na si donaire... at maraming SARADO isip...

 

imagine sa scorecards ng tatlong judge sa RD.1 10-9 lahat sila na panalo si Pacman sa Round 1! tapos dito dami nag post na Round 1 daw kay Marquez.

 

pero pag pinanood mo sa replay ng HBO-PPV ang linaw linaw si pacman ang panalo sa round 1... mas maraming pumasok na suntok na malakas ang pumasok. morethan 10! kay marquez lesthan 10.

Edited March 20, 2008 by djrs

[0range1]

Ok. This is a LEGITIMATE observation. But let me explain something. First let me tell you that I worked as a sports reporter/writer some time ago. And here is the thing. YOU HAVE TO BE THERE to know what really went on. Those "spectacular punches" by JMM? Might have looked good on TV, but may NOT have any power from the vantage point of a judge sitting by the ringside. This is PRO-BOXING. Scoring punches are worth dick. Judges look at how JMM/Manny reacted to the punches of the other. Damage report? JMM was on the brink of getting knocked-out. Sure, there was a brief time when Manny looked groggy too. But bottomline is, JMM was more damaged than Manny.

 

As for the "maraming naniniwala na si JMM nanalo", who gives a f#&k? This is not a democracy. The opinion of Recah Trinidad, Chino Trinidad, that assh*le sri-lankan trying to pass for a Filipino Nathanielsz ain't worth jack. Naniwala ba ang olympic body sa kanila when they protested Onyok being cheated? So why should we listen to these f#&kers now when they are doubting our own? As I've said before, only the opinion of 3, the judges, count. And 2 of 3 says Manny won. So tough, JMM fans. Crying a river about it ain't gonna help your boy any.

 

Rematch? Again, sure! Pero, pila si JMM sa back of the line. Manny calls the shots. JMM NEEDS Manny. Manny doesn't need JMM. To the Recah Trinidad's who think this is still an unfinished business, let them suit up, earn a boxing career for themselves, and fight JMM all day and all night. Mga miron lang ang mga ogag na ito. Bakit pakikinggan ni Manny sila? Will Recah pay Manny 5 M USD should Manny get permanently injured? t#ang%na. Ang dali magka-opinion. They (and for a time, me) got paid by the column inch to write opinions out of our asses. But hell no. I NEVER ventured to tell anybody how to manage their careers.

 

I am going to only touch a few of what you brought up. If you care to browse back to the previous pages, I already most what I have to say in my previous posts.

 

I have been to boxing events, so your "being there" stuff doesn't really hold much water. It good that you were some sports writer or whatever in your past life. All I can say is that, mas mahirap manuod ng Boxing while in a fight kc maingay, my mga angles ka na ma mi miss among other things etc. Personally, I believe wtaching it on TV is a much better way to view a fight, kc pd mo i rewind, fast forward etc.

 

Tell me, honestly muka ba tlgang hindi matitindi ang mga patama ni Marquez kay Manny? Wow. I could catch Manny's head snapping back and forth sa mga rights hands, I have seen Manny stagger around as early as Rd 2. And I am sure hindi lang yun ang isang beses na nasaktan si Manny.

 

I don't think it is fair to compare yun strenght ng mga suntok na tumama. I'd like to think na mas maganda pag cleaner ang quantity at quality ng laban. Kc kung iicpn natin na mas malakas na suntok lang ang dapat tignan, e sana wlang lugar ang mga hindi pure punchers sa Boxing? Ali never had that money maker. Pero yun patama nia malilinis at my sting. I dont think you can say na wlang effect and mga suntok ni Marquez.

 

Like what I have said in my previous posts, Boxing is scored in EVERY round, hindi kung sino ang my mas madaming damage. Kung yun ang gusto mo e edi PRIDE FC panuorin mo at hindi Boxing, kc hindi iba ang pag score sa Boxing e.

 

Maquez is complaining kc my valid reason naman tlga cia. Would you take away that fact na maganda tlga ang pinakita nia sa laban na yun, at sa tingin ko he did the better overall performance. I dont care kung hindi na ma rereverse and decision, it wont get reversed. Pero sa tingin mo tama na kalimutan na lang at takbuhan si Marquez sa rematch? Kung nag kapalit sila ng position, hindi ka din kaya mag aalburuto?

 

Ang problema sa pinoy e, pag tayo na daya reklamo tau ng reklamo, e pag tau naman ang mejo nakalamang, kalimutan na lang? It nice and good, pero it doesnt make it right.

 

1 point, it was my own personal opinion na JMM may have won the fight. Sila Recah Chino etc, I am glad they shared the same sentiments. Cgro nakita din nila ang nakita ko. Go around boxing sites, makikita mo rin na my lamang tlga si Marquez sa kung sa tingin ng tao sino nananlo.

 

WHy would JMM fall back in line, as far as I am concerned, hindi convincing panalo ni Manny. Bkt cia pipila uli at di pa naman tapos ang storya kung cno magaling sa kanila. The interest is still there. I really feel na, ang camp ni Manny is going to run around for a while and milk on his popularity which is not bad at all. Pero alam mo yun, my marka na maybe they\re afraid of losing and mawalan ng interes ang tao sa superman complex ni Manny. We know how Boxing works, mas saleable pag my streak ka o '0' loss.

 

The rematch should be settled ASAP kc pag my edad na si Marquez, pag dumating point na yun, meron na naman mag dududa na baka nga hinihintay nila tumanda si Marquez. Why can't they fight immediately? Wla bang demand? Meron naman di ba? O bka naman my iniingatan ang campo ni Paq, hindi kaya?

[djrs]

The rematch should be settled ASAP kc pag my edad na si Marquez, pag dumating point na yun, meron na naman mag dududa na baka nga hinihintay nila tumanda si Marquez. Why can't they fight immediately? Wla bang demand? Meron naman di ba? O bka naman my iniingatan ang campo ni Paq, hindi kaya?

 

nung nag DRAW si pacman nung first fight nila... ayaw pumayag ni marquez na lumaban kagad kesyo kailangan mas mataas bayad sa kanya.. hehehehehhee. pero aminado yung isang JUDGE na nagkamali sa scoring. hehehehee.

 

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1 point, it was my own personal opinion na JMM may have won the fight. Sila Recah Chino etc, I am glad they shared the same sentiments. Cgro nakita din nila ang nakita ko. Go around boxing sites, makikita mo rin na my lamang tlga si Marquez sa kung sa tingin ng tao sino nananlo.

 

Nahhh.. kung si RECAH, IKAW at si CHINO sama mo pa si DONAIRE...

 

mas maniniwala ako dito:

 

HAROLD LEDERMAN!

As the "unofficial boxing judge," Lederman has been the credible HBO voice of scoring at prize-fight cablecasts since 1986, when executive producer Ross Greenburg brought the Bronx, New York native aboard to provide viewers with an expert opinion. Expert indeed. Since the late 1960's, Lederman honed his craft as one of the country's top boxing officials. In 33 years as a judge, Lederman scored more than 100 world championship prizefights on six continents (they've yet to hold a title fight on Antarctica.) He announced his retirement as an active judge on Dec. 23, 1999. At HBO, he has scored more than 560 fights in his twenty years on the air.

 

saka dun sa JUDGE na napalitan. ang score nila pareho panalo si pacman. hehehehehehe.

[0range1]

Marquez didn't decline the immediate rematch back in 2004. That was the story that Arum and Pac's camp want people to think. Kaya yun ang press release, I have followed this story.

 

They were still in discussions kung mag kano tlga ang fight purse. Arum was offering too low, considering the fact that maganda ang unang laban. Pero mag kano lang binibigay ng camp ni Arum? $750,000 kay Marquez, and kay Manny $900,000. Bkt nga ba naman mas mataas ang kay Manny e draw naman? Manny wasn't even the bigger name back then.

 

From what I understood, that was the original plan ng camp ni Arum. There was so much money involved in a Morales - Paq fight. Insiders felt that Marquez was so much of a threat to Manny. So ang ginawa nila, they low balled Marquez kc they knew his camp was going to turn down a bad offer. JMM fell right into the trap, na press release ng camp ni Arum na ayaw ni JMM.

 

All the while na my negotiations, niluluto na pala ang laban ni Pac at Morales. Ganun din, smokes and mirrors lang tlga na gsto ni Arum na paglabanin sa rematch si JMM at Pac. In truth, set na tlga ang EM-PAC bago pa man matalo si Manny kay Marquez.

 

Harold Lederman is known to have outrageously biased scoredcards. Lagi ganon scores nia pag house fighter ng HBO ang lumalaban. We know Manny is an HBO fighter.

 

I have read nga pala, yun judge na napalitan was RELATED to Coach Roach. Before the fight, tinaggal na yun kc nga possible na my bias towards Manny kc family friend daw nila Coach Freddy. Yun lang. Kayo na bahala mag icp icp dyan.

[djrs]

I have read nga pala, yun judge na napalitan was RELATED to Coach Roach. Before the fight, tinaggal na yun kc nga possible na my bias towards Manny kc family friend daw nila Coach Freddy. Yun lang. Kayo na bahala mag icp icp dyan.

 

kaya nga pinalitan e! hahahaha. ano ba reklamo ng Golden Boy Promotion nung post fight? na bakit pinalitan ang Original appointed na 3rd JUDGE! hahahahahha.

 

e kahit pinalitan ganung parin ang score 114-113 manny by SPLIT DECISION! hahahahahha.

 

nabasa mo lang pero di mo inintindi! hahahahaha. pag PABOR KAY MANNY di ka pabor! hahahahaha.

 

 

1 point, it was my own personal opinion na JMM may have won the fight. Sila Recah Chino etc, I am glad they shared the same sentiments. Cgro nakita din nila ang nakita ko. Go around boxing sites, makikita mo rin na my lamang tlga si Marquez sa kung sa tingin ng tao sino nananlo.

 

RECAH at CHINO dapat isama nila Ang IDEAL VISION sa mga SPONSORS nila! hahahahahha.

 

naku dami ko na pinuntahan na BOXING SITE! MAJORITY sila MANNY ang PANALO! hahahahaha.

 

Harold Lederman is known to have outrageously biased scoredcards. Lagi ganon scores nia pag house fighter ng HBO ang lumalaban. We know Manny is an HBO fighter.

 

Really now? hahahahahaha. nung natalo si PACMAN kay MORALES! panalo talaga si MORALES dun! HBO FIGHT din po yung.. UNANIMOUS pati yung mga UN OFFICIAL JUDGE! hahahahahaha.

[djrs]

JUDGE Decision's TAPOS! Panalo si PACMAN! WALANG DAYA.

 

Kunin muna ni pacman yung BELT ni DIAZ (if makukuha)

 

Then LABAN ulit sa 135lbs.! Marquez vs. Pacman 3! dapat sa 3 may ma knockout para magkaalaman na..

[cool_ash_23]

JUDGE Decision's TAPOS! Panalo si PACMAN! WALANG DAYA.

 

Kunin muna ni pacman yung BELT ni DIAZ (if makukuha)

 

Then LABAN ulit sa 135lbs.! Marquez vs. Pacman 3! dapat sa 3 may ma knockout para magkaalaman na..

 

 

I agree..kanya kangyang panahon lang yan..that's what the judges saw that fight.maganda nga siguro ang laban sa 135.

[skitz]

I have been to boxing events, so your "being there" stuff doesn't really hold much water. It good that you were some sports writer or whatever in your past life. All I can say is that, mas mahirap manuod ng Boxing while in a fight kc maingay, my mga angles ka na ma mi miss among other things etc. Personally, I believe wtaching it on TV is a much better way to view a fight, kc pd mo i rewind, fast forward etc.

Judges get the BEST SEAT in the house. And as far as the rulebook goes, they judge it as they see it. No replays, no rewinds. Fair or not, that's the way it is. The rule that applies to JMM is the same rule that applies to Manny. Now that is fair.

 

Tell me, honestly muka ba tlgang hindi matitindi ang mga patama ni Marquez kay Manny? Wow. I could catch Manny's head snapping back and forth sa mga rights hands, I have seen Manny stagger around as early as Rd 2. And I am sure hindi lang yun ang isang beses na nasaktan si Manny.

Yes. I have already conceded that Manny was also groggy for awhile. Pero sino ba ang mas madalas na halos humalik sa canvass? JMM in fact hit the deck once! He was hanging on to the ropes for dear life at one point. JMM was on the brink of getting knocked out. The final bell saved him.

 

I don't think it is fair to compare yun strenght ng mga suntok na tumama. I'd like to think na mas maganda pag cleaner ang quantity at quality ng laban. Kc kung iicpn natin na mas malakas na suntok lang ang dapat tignan, e sana wlang lugar ang mga hindi pure punchers sa Boxing? Ali never had that money maker. Pero yun patama nia malilinis at my sting. I dont think you can say na wlang effect and mga suntok ni Marquez.

That's your opinion. And you are entitled to that. Pero nasa rulebook ba na ang opinion mo (o nang kahit sino man) except for the 3 judges at ringside count?

 

Like what I have said in my previous posts, Boxing is scored in EVERY round, hindi kung sino ang my mas madaming damage. Kung yun ang gusto mo e edi PRIDE FC panuorin mo at hindi Boxing, kc hindi iba ang pag score sa Boxing e.

Again, pro-boxing is different from amateur boxing. Number of punches versus QUALITY of punches is different. Discretion ng JUDGE kung sino ang papaboran nila sa BAWAT ROUND. Ilan ba talaga sa tingin mo ang CLOSE ROUNDS that could have gone either way? So much so that JUDGMENT CALL ng judges ang tanging batayan?

 

Maquez is complaining kc my valid reason naman tlga cia. Would you take away that fact na maganda tlga ang pinakita nia sa laban na yun, at sa tingin ko he did the better overall performance. I dont care kung hindi na ma rereverse and decision, it wont get reversed. Pero sa tingin mo tama na kalimutan na lang at takbuhan si Marquez sa rematch? Kung nag kapalit sila ng position, hindi ka din kaya mag aalburuto?

Yep. May valid reason si JMM. Talo siya e. Alangan naman yung nanalo ang mag-complain.

 

Ang problema sa pinoy e, pag tayo na daya reklamo tau ng reklamo, e pag tau naman ang mejo nakalamang, kalimutan na lang? It nice and good, pero it doesnt make it right.

 

Nah. Ang problema ng pinoy, reklamo tayo pag natalo tayo. Reklamo pa rin kung manalo tayo.

 

WHy would JMM fall back in line, as far as I am concerned, hindi convincing panalo ni Manny. Bkt cia pipila uli at di pa naman tapos ang storya kung cno magaling sa kanila. The interest is still there. I really feel na, ang camp ni Manny is going to run around for a while and milk on his popularity which is not bad at all. Pero alam mo yun, my marka na maybe they\re afraid of losing and mawalan ng interes ang tao sa superman complex ni Manny. We know how Boxing works, mas saleable pag my streak ka o '0' loss.

 

So YOU get to choose now whom Manny fights? Kung hindi ikaw, si Recah? Manny can retire tomorrow and NO ONE has the right to tell him to do what he wants to do. Kay Bob Arum lang siya may contractual obligation. Manny gets to choose whom he fights. Sino ang next biggest paycheck opponent ni JMM? SHET. David Diaz is now SALIVATING over the possibility of fighting Pacman. PACMAN is still the man. Let JMM fall back in line quietly like the rest of these fools. Or he can opt to fight the tricycle driver beater Valero... for 200K USD!

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Pre, I hope you don't take this personally. I have not "hit" you personally. I'm just a Pacman fan, stating my OPINION on people with OPINIONS. Hehehehe... peace dude!

[0range1]

OK, best seat in the house? Okay, sabi mo e. Ask ko lang, tingin mo tlga laging honest tong mga judges na to all the time? Masasabi mo ba yan. I am not sure.

 

JMM was put in one in Rd 3. He was almost down din in the same rd. Pagka tapos nun kelan pa ulit? Cgro nun Rd 10, pero that was far and in between. 1 rd doesn't tell it all. Madami din pinasok si JMM na suntok and those were hard punches too in most rounds. Cgro mas matindi lang ang chin ni Manny kaya di cia bumagsak, sa tingin mo hindi?

 

Sabihin mo nga sakin, do you think mananalo c Manny kung rd by rd ang pag score natin? If so, can you put down your score cards? Sa boxing kc, my score ang bawat rd tapos in the end ina add nila lahat yun. Yun gsto mo naman cgro e ang judging ng laban e pa tauin sila at humarap sa lahat at kung cno mas bugbog ang muka e cia ang talo. You know, it doesnt follow like that.

 

Marquez has not only landed a quantity of shots. Alam mo, kung aaminin mo lang na quality shots lahat ang tinapon at ipinatama nia kay Manny. JMM controlled Pacman, he set the pace, yun distance cia rin nag dikta. Madami beses nga sa fyt na hindi c Manny tumatapon dahil kta mo nag aalangan cia. Kc before he can even release my pasok na na counter agad si JMM.

 

Like what I have said in my other posts, I am not knocking on Manny. Hindi ako nag rereklamo. All I am saying is an opinion na pag kalabas ko ng sine after the fyt, I felt na si Marquez tlga ang tunay na winner.

 

Yep. May valid reason si JMM. Talo siya e. Alangan naman yung nanalo ang mag-complain

 

This line I just dont get. Kung totoo ka tlga writer at analyst you know what I mean.

 

So YOU get to choose now whom Manny fights? Kung hindi ikaw, si Recah? Manny can retire tomorrow and NO ONE has the right to tell him to do what he wants to do. Kay Bob Arum lang siya may contractual obligation. Manny gets to choose whom he fights. Sino ang next biggest paycheck opponent ni JMM? SHET. David Diaz is now SALIVATING over the possibility of fighting Pacman. PACMAN is still the man. Let JMM fall back in line quietly like the rest of these fools. Or he can opt to fight the tricycle driver beater Valero... for 200K USD!

 

No, what I am saying is, kung tlgang confident si Pac na kaya nia si Marquez bkt ayaw nia i rematch agad? Easy money $6 M, bkt hindi? Hanap buhay nia ang Boxing di ba? So ano pa ba ang $6M. Makakuha ba cia ng $6M vs David Diaz? As a fan, nd mo maiiwasan icpn na maybe he's trying to get avoid Marquez, nd kaya?

 

JMM can fight any other fighter, he may not get as much as what he will get from fighting Manny but he will get the respect and pride na tinakbuhan cia ni Manny. Its not all about the money. My mga tao pa din na importante sa kanila ang pride at respeto sa sarili.

 

Valero - tricycle driver beater? That is disrespectful. I dont think a true analyst will ever knock on a fighter like that. San ba nag simula si Manny? Di ba sa pag talo din ng mga wlang pangalan? The thing with boxing is that, OPPORTUNITIES is the name of the game. Kung di nilabanan ni Marco Antonio Barrera si Manny, do you think he is this famous? Di ba, ano sa tingin mo?

[Mike Chester]

I am not an expert in judging boxing fights, pero based on what I have seen in television here in Korea (live match din), I think Pacman deserves more to win. As what Skitz said, mas may kamandag ung mga suntok ni Manny and I agree with him na sa professional boxing, mas binibigyan ng pabor yun.

 

I cannot be biased on my opinion based from what I can hear from the commentators coz they are Koreans and I cannot understand what they are talking.

 

But I also believe na dapat may re-match talaga, somebody should win convincingly, either Pacman or JMM. But I still put my bet to Manny if this will be materialized.

[Eddy Syet]

Malakas nga ba talaga sumuntok si JMM to the point na masasaktan si PacMan? Bakit nung Round 3, pinabagsak ni Manny si Dinamita gayung galing sila sa Round 2 na clear na nakapagpatama si JMM at "na-groggy" si Pacquiao?

 

Siguro dahil nung tamaan ng suntok si Manny, medyo outbalanced siya... pero sa totoo lang, JMM's punches can't hurt Manny as much as Manny's punches can hurt Marquez.

 

Wala naman akong problema masyado sa opinyon ng iba eh. I just feel that it is so wrong to say that JMM deserved to win that fight more than Manny. C'mon... we're talking of a championship fight here! After what has happened... I can't believe these people would say that the challenger (Manny) did not do enough to wrest the belt away from the champion's (Marquez) hands! Can we therefore say that Marquez DID ENOUGH TO RETAIN THE TITLE??! That's baloney!

 

I would agree to a rematch but before we even talk about that, let's put things in their proper places first shall we? Who should be the defending champion in the rematch? Marquez?! Nah... that would be an injustice. It wouldn't look good on boxing as a whole, as a sport, as an institution, to give the belt back to Dinamita after that fight. He boxed well, I would give him that but it was clear in that fight that Manny Pacquiao OWNED him.

 

Dinamita outboxed Manny in the 2nd. Manny responded by flooring JMM in the 3rd! Dinamita recovers. He opened a cut above Pacquiao's right eye in the 8th. JMM won that round. Did he capitalize? Hell, no. Pacquiao responded by having JMM hanging on for dear life in rounds 10 and 11. I would sum up the fight that way. Now... the smike cleared after Round 12 (ibigay na natin itong last round kay JMM)... mas deserving na itaas ang kamay ni JMM? Duh!

 

Again and again... I would say... it may not be an impressive win but it's still a WELL-DESERVED win for Pacquiao! :thumbsupsmiley: