Bisdak88 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 A third party company?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> came from a telco and a third party, more on cosultancy..... you?? you seems a smart guy?? Quote Link to comment
binoyski71 Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 I beg to disagree! On my own experience- it is easier for me to use my back-up Smart Cell to call or text a Sun user. About dominant carriers such as Globe and Smart makes tons of profits before Sun came out. So why not reinvest such profits to open moe "channels". as mentioned previously by another member... it depends on your location & the time of call... telcos naturally allocate more channels in highly populated areas & locations that they observe have high traffic transmission... you will likely experience problems during peak-hours & located in a high traffic area... to answer your query... the simple answer why the telcos are not reinvesting their profits to open more channels is GREED & CUT-THROAT COMPETITION... :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: Quote Link to comment
kain_boy Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 as I said...that would depend where u are and what time of day, if ur just w/in the business district.... chances of non transmission or reciept is low... and as to reinvestment.....that another story.... as i said all carriers are mandated to allocated X number of channel for interconnection....unfortunately, intentionally or unintentionally, there are always a reason to delay or nonimplementation. ahh there is also a question whether intercarrier payment for interconnection are updated....YES!,!!! they pay each other for every call that goes thru subscribers from other carrier....hehehehe...<{POST_SNAPBACK}> You must also consider the capacities within the network. Sometimes, as in the case of SUN, as an example, no matter how large the interconnection pipes are, if the internal network is congested (due to unlimited calling), calls from other networks cannot be completed. Similarly, calls from a SUN subscriber to another network cannot be completed by the interconnected carrier if SUN cannot route calls to the interconnect facilities. Moreover, the peak hours are factored in the implemented "channels" between the networks. There is no allocated X number of channels for interconnection. Interconnection channels is direct and point to point. Once calls are routed to these channels, it is clearly sent to the other carrier for completion to the subscriber. It is quite absurd in at this point in time that carriers are intentionally dropping calls as this is also a source of revenue for them. This might be the arguement in the late 90s as the incumbernt is making it hard for the new carriers build their subscriber base. Quote Link to comment
kain_boy Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 as mentioned previously by another member... it depends on your location & the time of call... telcos naturally allocate more channels in highly populated areas & locations that they observe have high traffic transmission... you will likely experience problems during peak-hours & located in a high traffic area... to answer your query... the simple answer why the telcos are not reinvesting their profits to open more channels is GREED & CUT-THROAT COMPETITION... :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley:<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Time maybe, but not location. If it is a location problem, its the internal network. telcos dont interconnect on a per location. Interconnection is a priority for a telco, they get revenues from just receiving calls. Moreover, margins are higher as only one leg of the network are used. In contrast, a inter-call will entail a calling leg to the switch and another leg to the complete the call from the switch. Quote Link to comment
kain_boy Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 On the MMS problem discussed here, it is the responsibility of the terminating network to complete the transmission of the message. So the following scenarios could have happened: 1. SMART failed to transmit the message to GLOBE for termination, which only SMART can answer.2. GLOBE could not terminate the message, which only GLOBE can answer. Unfortunately, SMART is liable to the subscriber in both cases as SMART has billed the subscriber for transmitting the subscriber. The assumption that the GLOBE sub cannot receive the message is irrelevant as the GLOBE sub can send MMS messages. Quote Link to comment
kain_boy Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 On the MMS problem discussed here, it is the responsibility of the terminating network to complete the transmission of the message. So the following scenarios could have happened: 1. SMART failed to transmit the message to GLOBE for termination, which only SMART can answer.2. GLOBE could not terminate the message, which only GLOBE can answer. Unfortunately, SMART is liable to the subscriber in both cases as SMART has billed the subscriber for transmitting the subscriber. The assumption that the GLOBE sub cannot receive the message is irrelevant as the GLOBE sub can send MMS messages.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> transmitting the message, not transmitting the subscriber. Sorry Quote Link to comment
Guest akira22 Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Ala me problema s smart, they have a better services than any telecommunication company. Quote Link to comment
Gideon Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 came from a telco and a third party, more on cosultancy..... you?? you seems a smart guy??<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yup, Smart employee, IT dept. Kala ko Nokia ka? Quote Link to comment
mangjose Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 malabo pa rin ang sun hanggang ngayon. sana they could upgrade their services. Quote Link to comment
yessss_noooo Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 akira sing-ganda mo? hehe... haven't tried smart though that P10.00 unlimited thing is very interesting.. Globe had problems lately pero sandali lang naman.. I think they're doing all the marketing mistakes nowadays.. smart is doing all the right thing.. SOLID GLOBE pa rin muna.. Quote Link to comment
clitlicker Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 malabo pa rin ang sun hanggang ngayon. sana they could upgrade their services.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with you dre! :thumbsupsmiley: Just got a text from Sun- You are now 90% of ek ek. Please pay your bill before cut-off date to avid inconveniece of getting cut-off or something to that effect. Called their Customer Service. they were very cordial. I asked my billings. It wasn't due yet and I'm an automatic credit from my credit card. Told them I want them to cut-off my services para I can hold them for breach! Wish Smart Customer Service didn't lose my application last year! :grr: Quote Link to comment
clitlicker Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 akira sing-ganda mo? hehe... haven't tried smart though that P10.00 unlimited thing is very interesting.. Globe had problems lately pero sandali lang naman.. I think they're doing all the marketing mistakes nowadays.. smart is doing all the right thing.. SOLID GLOBE pa rin muna..<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Globe's 10 centavos by the second is indeed a very attractive package. If they cut the text messaging charges they'll be attractive enough for their former subscribers to come back. Now Smart has to counter that- 10 centavoc per second. Their unlimited text between smart subscribers should be fixed not by the day. Quote Link to comment
sabaku_no_gaara Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 nde pa rin pala naayos mga telecom sa atin Quote Link to comment
binoyski71 Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 (edited) Globe's 10 centavos by the second is indeed a very attractive package. If they cut the text messaging charges they'll be attractive enough for their former subscribers to come back. Now Smart has to counter that- 10 centavoc per second. Their unlimited text between smart subscribers should be fixed not by the day. look at what globe & smart is doing now with their promos... ang reason nila dati noong naglabas ng circular ang NTC on the "per-second or pulse" billing na mahihirapan sila to implement at baguhin yung system nila... eh bakit ngayon dahil sa pressure from sun cellular... ginawa nila ngayon... plain & simple reason... gusto nila protektuhan ang kanilang malaking kita... :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: kaya mga dudes... kahit ayaw nyo sa sun cellular... magpasalamat tayo dahil sa ginawa nila... na-pressure ang ibang telcos to re-assess their tariff rates... :) Edited February 17, 2006 by binoyski71 Quote Link to comment
clitlicker Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 look at what globe & smart is doing now with their promos... ang reason nila dati noong naglabas ng circular ang NTC on the "per-second or pulse" billing na mahihirapan sila to implement at baguhin yung system nila... eh bakit ngayon dahil sa pressure from sun cellular... ginawa nila ngayon... plain & simple reason... gusto nila protektuhan ang kanilang malaking kita... :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: :thumbsdownsmiley: kaya mga dudes... kahit ayaw nyo sa sun cellular... magpasalamat tayo dahil sa ginawa nila... na-pressure ang ibang telcos to re-assess their tariff rates... :)<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with you completely! :thumbsupsmiley: Quote Link to comment
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