magnus Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 i guess so. kasi i learned like avon nag MLM din. siguro explain nalang natin mabuti... MLM is just a strategy para mag increase ang sales and at the same time kita ng mga employees/sales people. pag ginamit ang MLM as main na pagkakakitaan ng business i think doon na time nagiging raket. like yung isang na puntahan ko na "seminar" (sabi ng barkada ko sama kalang) they talked about the product (diamonds) for 15 minutes tapos the next 3 hours about the system paano kumita... i learned from my barkada who invited me the people there are from another networking na nagbebenta naman ng gold na alahas... nakabili nga sya doon...pero since saturated na (wala na ma goyo) lahat sila lipat sa ibang raket...este "company". kawawa barkada ko kasi he is at the bottom wala na sya mabentahan... so yun good bye pera nya hey dude, i guess you're talking about binary companies (left and right). these companies really operate this way. but to those legitimate companies whose structure is wide in nature and dealing with legit products are the way to go especially if they have a significant number of years of experience(normally 20 years and up).<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment
mangjose Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 i guess so. kasi i learned like avon nag MLM din. siguro explain nalang natin mabuti... MLM is just a strategy para mag increase ang sales and at the same time kita ng mga employees/sales people. pag ginamit ang MLM as main na pagkakakitaan ng business i think doon na time nagiging raket. like yung isang na puntahan ko na "seminar" (sabi ng barkada ko sama kalang) they talked about the product (diamonds) for 15 minutes tapos the next 3 hours about the system paano kumita... i learned from my barkada who invited me the people there are from another networking na nagbebenta naman ng gold na alahas... nakabili nga sya doon...pero since saturated na (wala na ma goyo) lahat sila lipat sa ibang raket...este "company". kawawa barkada ko kasi he is at the bottom wala na sya mabentahan... so yun good bye pera nya<{POST_SNAPBACK}> MLM din ba ang AVON? ang alam ko direct selling sila. Not sure if it has changed. May diff and direct selling sa MLM. Mainly direct selling emphasis is on selling the product. May minimal joining fee (maliit lang talaga) unlike MLM with 10,000 joining fee. Tapos yung sa direct selling you earn by selling the product di tulad ng MLM where they say you can sell the product but most networkers just focus on recruitment. Quote Link to comment
thrall Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 not all mlms may ilalabas na pera may bago free to start Us co. pa. Quote Link to comment
magnus Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I asked permission from the source to post this: MLM Business OpportunitiesMLM Madness! This newsletter is dedicated to those who are looking for business opportunities such as joining a multi-level marketing scheme. So before you waste your time calling up these "opportunities" from the classified ads, read this newsletter and be warned. Let us begin. Times are tough. A lot of people are currently unemployed or are not happy with their job and salary. This creates a vulnerable situation, making people easy prey to get rich quick schemes or business opportunities promising crazy incomes by simply working at home. Do Not Fall for the Trap! I was looking at an issue of Buy & Sell, and I saw some advertisements that caught my attention… "Earn P30T/wk, no gimmick, no selling" and… "MLM Work from home" and… "MLM Earn your 1rst million." I admit, I was curious and tempted to join. So I asked my wife, Ges, to "inquire" about these exciting opportunities. So she called them up, and surprise, almost all of them have the same modus operandi which is… Wait, before I tell you, let me share with you the ads, and what they were really about (the phone numbers, company, and name are edited out). MLM. Earn 30T/ week. No gimmick, no selling. Noel 853-xxxx The real story... I-xxx is a manufacturing company of shoes, bags and has been operational for 18 years. It was only last month that is started its networking scheme. They are the suppliers of Rusty Lopez, Manel's Leather Shoes and Boardwalk. To become a member/distributor, you have to pay a registration fee of 2,000 pesos. Membership will include the following: a pair of shoes, sales kit, Chinabank ATM debit card, an outright discount of 25% on all products you buy, and an accident insurance coverage of 500,000 pesos at Malayan Insurance Company. The P2,000 registration fee will be applied as follows: P1,200 for the insurance premium and P800 for the pair of shoes. According to "Noel", there are 6 ways to earn: For every pair you recruit, you get 200 pesos. The pair will be assigned as your "left" and "right" in a computer generated chart they will prepare. The purpose of the chart is to monitor your progress and to record all the accumulated points/ income. If, for example, your pair of recruits should bring in their own recruits, you get to earn a minimum of 600, or more it their downlines are brisk sellers. The shoes you get upon registration is worth 400 points or a cash equivalent of 1,500 pesos. Entrepreneurship. I earned 300T in 3 months, looking serious people to be trained, preferably with business background. 742-xxxx The real story... Wholesale/ retail of Herbalife products. US-based company in existence for 23 years in 58 countries, engaged in the health and nutrition business. They sell thermo genetic products for inner and outer nutrition, which include vitamins, health supplements, slimming aids, etc. You have to attend a business orientation in Makati Shangri-la and become a member for 2,700 pesos. This will include a free starter kit. You can earn as much as 15-45T a month through your downlines. According to my interviewee, she started selling Herbalife 3 years ago while working at Metrobank. Now she is into it full time earning 100Ta month. Distributorship 21-60 years old, earn extra income 8-25T a month. 750-xxxx The real story... Interviewee did not categorically mention the company but said it is a "US based company existing for 23 years in 58 countries" and that their Manila Office is located at 13/F JAKA Building, Ayala Avenue, Makati. The nature of the business is health and nutrition and if you become a member, you get as much as 25% discount on all the products. Hmmm… another Herbalife "opportunity?" Advanced MLM Reload gold, easy way to earn prepaid card. 823-xxxx The real story... Wholesale/Retail of Cellphone Cards (work from home). Annual membership is at 250 pesos. Upon membership, you get cell card with a password so you can contact the company thru your cellphone. A discount of 8-10% on cellphone cards if you become a retailer with free delivery service (within Metro Manila) for a minimum of ten call cards, plus free repair service of your cellphone twice a year. Networking The real story... Once you become a member/retailer, you can earn your own pre-paid cards from your downlines. For every 2 recruits, you get a cell card worth 300 pesos. At the 10th level downline (approximately 350 members) you get a brand new Nokia 3310. Here's how to check if you have earned any prepaid cards: type send_status and send to the company's cellphone number (this will take 2 minutes), the company will send back a message to inform you if you have earned a prepaid card, then all you have to do is send back a message by typing reload_password_globe/smart. Enough. Hopeful by now you realize that these "opportunities" are not as attractive as the ads would have you believe. Let me tell you why. Notice that most of these business opportunities use a multi-level marketing scheme and... to join the scam… sorry, scheme, you need to pay a "fee" for membership, insurance, or whatever reason. Does this make sense… you have to "pay" the company for the privilege to work for them? No thank you. Second, their sales talk is centered around how much money you can make by "recruiting" people to join the opportunity, rather than focusing on selling the product. By the way… the products are not easy to sell, so the business opportunity lies in "recruiting" people, wherein you get a commission per recruit. What commission? The commission on the "fee" that new recruits have to pay for the privilege of working for the company, selling their hard to sell products. Third, multi-level marketing or MLM is flawed. Let me explain. Assuming that the company has an excellent product, no matter how good, there is a limited market for this product. Now, MLM allows the sales force to grow to exponential proportions because of the "downlines." And unlike franchising, MLM does not offer you "territorial" protection. That means there may be hundreds of you selling the same product, in the same area, to the same market. Eventually you will have too many people selling a product to a limited market. So the poor people who are down the line, or at the bottom of the "downlines" are stuck. They would have paid their "joining fee," they would have paid to buy the products which they will sell, and they will find out that there is no market for the product. If you do not believe me, let me tell you a real story. I have a friend who works as a gym instructor. He is a smart guy, and has won the Mr. Philippines bodybuilding contest due to hard work and dedication. He is a natural bodybuilder. Now the story goes like this. My friend is "recruited" by his friend to join a MLM company to sell supplements (e.g. vitamins, herbal stuff, etc.). The sales pitch is that other members are making thousands and millions of pesos by visualizing their goals and working hard. The pitch also goes… the more you recruit… the more income you will generate. So my friend joins, and he must buy a box of these herbal supplements, costing around P9,000. He then has to pay to get marketing materials that will help him sell these supplements. Fine… excited, my friend goes around selling this stuff. Anyways, how hard could it be? He is a former bodybuilder champion, and he is endorsing the supplement. So how much has he sold in one week? Thousands… hundreds… no, the grand total is… 3 Bottles Sold For a Whopping P1,500 Profit What's that you say, not too bad? Well consider this, he approached about 50 people to make the 3 sales. To make P15,000 a month, he must approach 500 people. And to make P30,000 he must approach 1000 people. Come on… is this the path to making millions? Ok, you want to try it. Fine… first you will try to sell this overpriced product to your friends and families. You will also try to recruit them, because the more you recruit, the more money you make. But what happens? Your friends and family will eventually know that they have been had, being stuck with products they are unable to sell. So congratulations… you have managed to destroy your friendship for a mere P1,500. Ok, you want to sell to people you do not know? Good luck. How are you going to approach the thousands of strangers you need to make any decent amount of money? MLM is Madness! Let me repeat… MLM is madness. Do not waste your time… and find real ways of making money. Sincerely. Joel R. Mangilit P.S. There are some legitimate MLM operations. My mother-in-law works for AVON, which uses MLM. However, AVON does not charge a joining fee, and they give you P3,000 worth of products, on credit. That means there is no cash out on your part. P.P.S. There are plenty of articles written about MLM on the Internet. Many of these companies have been shut down by the FTC in the USA for pyramiding. Just go to a search engine and type "MLM scams." Here in the Philippines, there have been many MLMs that have been investigated by SEC, those involved in MLM for Internet Web Hosting, e-commerce, real estate, insurance... so be careful and do not be blinded the promise of earning unlimited income. P.P.P.S. What is the difference between MLM and pyramiding? MLM is a marketing scheme used to sell products via networking. Pyramiding is normally a financial transaction, wherein a borrower promises a very high interest rate to the lender, and then eventually defaults on the payment. But sometimes MLM is associated with pyramiding because money flows from the recruits (lenders) to the company (borrower). The product is just a "cover" for the pyramiding type of operation. MLM din ba ang AVON? ang alam ko direct selling sila. Not sure if it has changed. May diff and direct selling sa MLM. Mainly direct selling emphasis is on selling the product. May minimal joining fee (maliit lang talaga) unlike MLM with 10,000 joining fee. Tapos yung sa direct selling you earn by selling the product di tulad ng MLM where they say you can sell the product but most networkers just focus on recruitment.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment
skipper6983 Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Bro i got started under the world class leadership training concepts of Network 21 (Amway's training partner)...the rest is focused effort and research. I mean I decided this is a business I can live with. I just need to know it by heart on all angles. The company I am in right now is the result of a 2-year research. Its the most stable, most people-friendly organization in its class. If you ahve time, lets meet so i can show you a no bullshit presentation. The website is soon to be launched this February! ok ka bro your knowledge in this industry is deep, anong company nag train sa yo?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment
xhalaguena Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Dude share ko lang to http://tinyurl.com/9oyzv US company 5 years running...them americans have thought it through. Quote Link to comment
thrall Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Question lang, sa networking madami kumikita Pero madami din hindi kumikita,Tama?Yung kumita masaya siempre..Yung hindi kumita SUMIGAW NG SCAMMMMM...Pero hindi natin inalam kung ginawa ng tama o kung tinrabaho man lang ng hindi kumita yung business niya...Pero problema na ng tao yan hindi ng industriya.. Next Question,Ang MacDonalds ay malaking kumpanya at franchising pa...Pero baket yung Mcdonalds dito samin sa mindanao corner congressional eh nag sara?.....Dapat SCAMMM din ang Mcdonalds???Tama ba Kasi malamang kaya nagsra yun dahil hindi din kumikita...Pero gaya nga ng sabi ko baka hindi pinatakbo ng maayos yung business niya kaya nagsara..problema na ng tao yun hindi ng industriya.. Huwag natin lahatin mga brad..Na basta may mag refer lang at magbibigay ng kumisyon eh SIGAW KA NANAMAN NG SCAAAMMM.. Quote Link to comment
xhalaguena Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Question lang, sa networking madami kumikita Pero madami din hindi kumikita,Tama?Yung kumita masaya siempre..Yung hindi kumita SUMIGAW NG SCAMMMMM...Pero hindi natin inalam kung ginawa ng tama o kung tinrabaho man lang ng hindi kumita yung business niya...Pero problema na ng tao yan hindi ng industriya.. Next Question,Ang MacDonalds ay malaking kumpanya at franchising pa...Pero baket yung Mcdonalds dito samin sa mindanao corner congressional eh nag sara?.....Dapat SCAMMM din ang Mcdonalds???Tama ba Kasi malamang kaya nagsra yun dahil hindi din kumikita...Pero gaya nga ng sabi ko baka hindi pinatakbo ng maayos yung business niya kaya nagsara..problema na ng tao yun hindi ng industriya.. Huwag natin lahatin mga brad..Na basta may mag refer lang at magbibigay ng kumisyon eh SIGAW KA NANAMAN NG SCAAAMMM..<{POST_SNAPBACK}> kaya nag sara yung mcdo sa congressional dahil wala silang ronald mcdonald na nakatayo sa labas Quote Link to comment
thrall Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 SCAM DIN YOOOOONNNN Quote Link to comment
magnus Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 just like pornography, you will know a scam when you see one. i think all people do... ang problema lang kasi eh the 'recruiter' is soooo good on appealing to the 'recruitees' weakness (frequently its money or lack of it) kaya all logic flies out of the window until the sale is made and the promised earning never came Quote Link to comment
rainbowxpress Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Most people if not all are joining MLM companies not bcoz of the products they sell but the potential of big earnings. Kaya kung hindi nagmaterialize yung promise of big income, kakalimutan na yung company kasama na ang mga products nito. Exception to the rule siguro ay yung DXN. I'm no longer into it but i still patronize its coffee product. Quote Link to comment
skipper6983 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 At any rate whatever field of endeavor, it should involve research before joining in into anything. But this is what i can say, sometimes, we are over analysing and before we knew it tumanda na tayo and when we look back, all we did was shout SCAMMMMM. While some of our colleagues are way ahead of us and enjoyng the life they so always wanted... Quote Link to comment
tonysoprano Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 just like pornography, you will know a scam when you see one. i think all people do... ang problema lang kasi eh the 'recruiter' is soooo good on appealing to the 'recruitees' weakness (frequently its money or lack of it) kaya all logic flies out of the window until the sale is made and the promised earning never came<{POST_SNAPBACK}> MLM is not a scam. Heck they even teach that concept in Harvard as a new way of reaching the consumers directly. The concept works except that most people who joins does not play their part properly. So when they dont receive any money bec they never had the heart to grow their downline, they shout SCAM! When will people ever learn? You wont get something until you do something! Quote Link to comment
skipper6983 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 One way to settle this - what really is the best MLM company for everybody...can the starter of this thread initiate a blank table with column headings highlighting the charactreristics of each and every MLM company out there. The column headings should be brainstormed by each and every respectable leader of a an MLM company. This is to guide prospective networkers on what comoany should they get in? What do you think? For starters let me suggest the following columns: 1. Name of Company2. Years of Operation (here and abroad)3. # of support center4. IT-enabled or not5. Other countries of operation.6. Uni-level / Binary7. Bonuses8. Joining Fee 9. What do they get when they join10. Maintenance Fee11. Other perks and benefits your turn... Quote Link to comment
tonysoprano Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 That sounds like a good idea ... Quote Link to comment
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