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Olympus Posted Today, 10:36 AM
Squadron shop is now in makati cinema square
Really? What floor? Exact location pease?
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leloup,
regarding submission dungeon, so you mentioned their invitational, so there's really no way that I can train with them if I walk in?..sorry kulit ko tol...cause if im not mistaken i've heard they also teach pankration, and there's a fee or sumthin..hope u can shed light on this one..and if u have their contact..paki pm na ri npo..if u have time
I'm pretty sure that they don't entertain walk ins. They screen people before they allow them to train with them. Yes, they teach pankration, aside from dumog and knife and stick techniques. I'll contact people from Submission Dungeon then I'll let you know their response.
Bro, you really have to be sponsored/referred by a member to be able to train with them. Like I said in my previous post, they hold seminars (Reality Based Self Defense) that is open to the public. You can attend that seminar and perhaps, be given the privilege to train with them. I'll keep you posted when they will hold another seminar. By the way, allow me to correct myself, they do Boltong, aside from Dumog.
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ello sirs...tanung ko lng kung san-san ung mga gym sa muay thai, ireally wanna learn it after kong mapanuod c tony jaa sa ong bak at tom gun...can you also tell me the rates of their session
Where are you located?
The Muay Association of the Philippines Headquarters is located in Ultra, Pasig City. This is the best place to learn muay thai in Metro Manila. You will be trained by members of the RP Muay Team and the training is really hard core. There are other chapters of MAP within Metro Manila that I can refer, just tell me your location.
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ello sirs...tanung ko lng kung san-san ung mga gym sa muay thai, ireally wanna learn it after kong mapanuod c tony jaa sa ong bak at tom gun...can you also tell me the rates of their session
Where are you located?
The Muay Association of the Philippines Headquarters is located in Ultra, Pasig City. This is the best place to learn muay thai in Metro Manila. You will be trained by members of the RP Muay Team and the training is really hard core. There are other chapters of MAP within Metro Manila that I can refer, just tell me your location.
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I'm pretty sure that they don't entertain walk ins. They screen people before they allow them to train with them. Yes, they teach pankration, aside from dumog and knife and stick techniques. I'll contact people from Submission Dungeon then I'll let you know their response.leloup,regarding submission dungeon, so you mentioned their invitational, so there's really no way that I can train with them if I walk in?..sorry kulit ko tol...cause if im not mistaken i've heard they also teach pankration, and there's a fee or sumthin..hope u can shed light on this one..and if u have their contact..paki pm na ri npo..if u have time
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I know I shouldn't meddle into someone else's business but I can't really help it.
Corkscrew, do you always challenge people who don"t agree with you? Bro, initially, I'm amazed by your knowledge and experience in Chinese Martial arts and always wanted to help people with questions, including myself. With all sincerity, I really respect you for that. In your first post in this thread, you said, no immature posts please. Now, is challenging somebody, just because of difference in opinion, a sign of maturity? I'm very sorry and I know I may not be in the best position to ask this question but I must dare anyway.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I may not agree to what other people will say but I will fight till death for their right to say it, is a dictum I live up to.
I have experienced competing against Karatekas who can break hollow blocks with their fists both in point system and full contact. Yes, their punches can sting, but it is not forceful enough to break any ribs. In full contact matches, only a few can punch in perfect form, most would wildly swing their arms and hopefully hit a target. Because hitting an inanimate object is different from hitting a moving target that can hit back. Hitting a coconut is different from a moving head that can evade a punch. In Yaw-yan matches against Kyokushinkai Karate, fighters from the latter didn't really broke any bones of YY even if Kyokushinkai practitioners can break hollow blocks and blocks of wood.
I don't know know anything about chi or any internal martial arts. I admit my ignorance. That's why I will not make any comment if it works or not. That is also why I want to read and know about it. But I have experience competing in full contact matches against martial artists who can break blocks of wood with their feet but would limp when I knee or shin block their kicks.
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bukoloids Posted Yesterday, 08:12 PM
i know this is out of the current topic. does anyone know here i can study wing chun. by the way has anyone here herd of submission dungeon brotherhood? i really want to join
Bro,
Submission Dungeon Brotherhood is headed by Mumbakki Daniel Foronda. Their headquarters is located at 2nd floor of Lim's Furniture Shop, Jacinto St. near the corner of Kalayaan ave. Makati City. They are a brotherhood, so joining them is more of by invitation. They hold regular seminars entitled Reality Based Self Defense (RBSD) which is open to anyone. By attending it, there's a possibility of being invited to join them. I suggest you check the forum of www.pinoymma.com/forums then pm Manwhore. Tell him you were referred by Le Loup, I used to train with him in Kamphuis Machado BJJ.
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That's very helpful information, Corkscrew. I've been thinking of cross training in Sanshou because, like you said, it teaches you how to throw an opponent even with gloves (which is very difficult). (Sanshou competitions is like Muay Thai and YY but without the use of the ring and with throws allowed). But I was told that the Wushu gym in Rizal Stadium is not open to Non-RP team members. Is this true?
Yes, we have a San shou RP team. They even competed in the last Manila SEA Games. The Wushu fighters that dominates in the URCC are Sanshou fighters like Mark Sangiao.
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Corkscrew,
Kindly explain to me what is Sanshou and what is its difference between the other style you discussed? I used to train with Ronald Bingwaoel, a former RP Sanshou team, but he wasn't able to fully explain the style to me. He's very light on his feet, despite of his size. And he attribute this to his Sanshou training in China.
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caution when learning brazilian Jujitsu....most techniques are for sports combat..
As what my brazilian jujitsu instructor told me....be careful of groin grabs, pinches
eye gourges, etc. things that are illegal in UFC... but not in the street...STILL BRAZILIAN
JUJITSU IS ONE OF THE BEST GROUND FIGHTING ARTS AROUND...JUST HAVE TO MODIFY
CERTAIN TECHNIQUES FOR THE STREET..
DO NOT HAVE THE FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY THAT A WOMAN CAN STAND TOE TO TOE WITH
A MAN... NO MATTER HOW WELL TRAIN SHE IS...THE BEST TACTIC FOR HER IS TO STUN AND
ESCAPE...AVOID GRAPPLING...SHE CAN ONLY RESTRAINT HIM FOR SO LONG....STAMINA AND POWER
WOULD TURN THE TIDE IN HIS FAVOR...IF POSSIBLE, BREAK THE BONE THEN RUN!!!
Actually, that goes for all martial arts. The best self defense, in my opinion, is avoidance. Only when its inevitable should someone stand his/her ground and fight in the street. Don't go around the streets thinking that with your several years of training in various martial arts would make you invincible.
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hello po...ano pa yung ibang martial arts?kasi gus2 ko tlagang matuto eh..pang self defense lang..kaso ndi kaya magka lasug lasog ang katawan ko pag ako nag enroll sa ganyan???
You can try Brazilian Jujitsu. It's ideal for women because it doesn't focus on power and your size. And it doesn't hurt as much as MT, YY or judo. Moreover, BJJ teaches you how to escape, submit or break the limb of people who are mounted on you.
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Can you please explain ,how the power in yawyan kicks is produced.Read like Yaw-Yan has kicks has power of muaythai kicks and speed like taekwondo kicks and Yaw-Yan kicks are faster athan Muaythai.What you think about it.
Like I said in my previous post, yaw-yan kicks are chambered. Power is generated by the muscles of the hamstring and by the twisting of the hips. Where as MT kicks are done dead legged style, no chambering. Much of the power is from the hips and the push step technique. This involves slightly lifting the kicking foot off the ground, then driving it into the floor and using the force to help put momentum into the kick. Watch K1 matches, specially Buakaw Por Pramuk, he does this to derive power.
Both YY and MT kicks can be fast. Speed is a difficult concept to measure. Do you mean speed as in the shortest time from initiating a kick to landing a kick (hitting a punching bag) or speed as in the number of kicks you can execute in a specified period of time or speed as in your opponent not seeing you execute a kick until its too late (speed in hitting a punching bag is different from speed in hitting a moving opponent who could hit back)?
It's very hard to describe the differences between the kicks of MT, YY and TKD without demonstrating it. But as for me, I prefer to kick muay thai style. I'm not saying that because its the most devastating, fastest and powerful kick in the world. I just prefer it over the other styles and because I idolize Buakaw.
I am not sure whether i am correct,have seen a picture in Emilana Zapata website ,he fighting with a Thaiboxer in a philippine stadium,think it's written he is one of the good thai fighter and Zapata won that match.Yes, I know that match. In fact, that is not the only thai fighter whom Sir Zapata defeated. Perhaps indeed that thai figher is good but is he the top notch fighter of his time and is he on his prime? And why did Sir Zapata stopped at that. Why didn't he proceed all the way and become a world champion? No disrespect to Sir Zapata, he is my instructor and he's a very good one. But my point is the problem with Filipinos is that when become good at something, we aim to revel at it and stop improving. Some YY did beat the thais, but are these the top MT fighters? Who are the top Thai fighters beating? They bet the dutch, the americans, the japanese, the russians, etc. That's why MT has Buakaw and Kaoklai reigning over international competitions such as K1.
And for good reason, unorthodox kicks, aside from being telegraphic and taking too long to execute, use a lot of energy when doing it. Try doing 20 successive scorpion kick or turning long kicks and 20 successive roundhouse kicks. And tell me which will make you tire faster. In a match of 4 rounds, you need to conserve your energy. Second, unorthodox kicks normally puts you in an awkward position after executing it, specially when you miss or your opponent has evaded your unorthodox kick. In a roundhouse or push kick (teep in muay thai) if you miss, you still have your guard on.ou are right , i have seen all the Yaw-Yan Ardigma Makati matches in google video and youtube ,but havnt seen these kicks.have some videos of old matches(2002) ,i think it's yaw-yan to yaw-yan matches.In my opinion , they are wild matches ,even they are using knees and elbows to the ground showing some pure yaw-yan spirit.
Incidentally, I was asked to compete in the last Fighting Challenge organized by yaw-yan (I will represent yaw-yan ardigma) but have to beg off due to work schedule and an earlier commitment to fight in an amateur boxing match.
I haven't seen that post about YY and Muay Boran so I can't make a comment.
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I'm a practitioner of TKD (for 12 years and was my University's varsity player), Muay Thai (been practicing for 4 years and I'm an officer of Muay Association of the Philippines, the NSA for Muay Thai and have visited training camps in Thailand) Yaw-yan (been practicing for 2 years) and currently cross training in boxing, judo and BJJ. Having practiced these disciplines, I believe that I am in a good position to make some comments regarding the differences between these martial arts.
There are several differences between TKD and MT. Beside from the point of contact, MT using the shin while TKD using the instep, Muay Thai kicks are thrown dead legged style. It's like swinging a baseball bat with your shin as the bat and your hips as the swinging arms. Whereas in TKD, the kicks are chambered (just like Yaw-yan). There are a lot of jumping, turning and flying kicks in TKD but you will not see them in MT. I've fought in TKD and Muay thai matches and jumping, turning and flying kicks takes too long to execute and thus can easily be evaded or countered, especially in a match that you can throw punches. A fancy turning long kick can easily be countered by a simple push kick.
There are advantages and disadvantages between Yawyan and MT kicks. It would really boil down to the fighter's preference and fighting style. Even here in the Philippines, MT and YY have squared off several times and the results are mixed. Sometimes YY wins, sometimes MT carries the day.
I've something against unorthodox kicks because aside from being difficult to learn, it also takes a long time to execute. Scorpion kicks takes much longer to execute. Clinching your opponent then executing several knees to the head is much faster and you can do more damage to your opponent. In the ring, a split second is a long time. But then again, it really boils down to the fighter's preference and fighting style. Even if you watch YY matches, unorthodox kicks are rarely executed. The simple kicks such as roundhouse and push kicks are more commonly used.
And I study judo and BJJ because in a match, it is very easy to close the gap and take down an opponent. In UFC and Pride matches, even world class kickboxers or MT fighters can easily taken down by wrestlers and BJJ practitioners. These are world class stand up fighters, what more of a fighter of lesser caliber. I remember Badong Valdueza (no disrespect to him, he's a friend of mine) a fighter of Yaw-yan, and nephew of the legendary Emiliano Zapata, lost via armbar from a BJJ fighter in a URCC match. Badong is one of the best fighters of yaw-yan at present. But he was beaten by a submission maneuver. Now, tell me is yaw-yan alone enough or cross training in a grappling art would improve your game.
No disrespect intended to Yaw-yan (I'm a practitioner of Yaw-yan myself) but when they went to Thailand, did they went up against the top notch Lumpinee or Rajadamnern champions? Perhaps they did mangled the thai fighters but what is the caliber of these fighters? Did yaw-yan sent their very best to Thailand's very best or very worst fighters? Even American kickboxing legend Benny Urquidez did that. He went to Thailand and fought against an ageing Muay Thai fighter. He of course won but where is the glory in fighting an overmatched opponent.
Martial arts has evolved so much in the last 13 years since the first UFC that it will be foolish for a fighter to say that one style is enough, that one style can dominate every martial arts. It's no longer the age of "my kung fu is better than your kung fu". It's take the best of every art, eliminate the unnecessary, and incorporate it in your fighting style. Even the fabled Gracie family is cross training in Muay Thai and boxing because they get beaten by nonpractitioners of BJJ. In UFC, Pride and even in the local URCC, you can't see a fighter who did not cross trained in another martial art.
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nothing beats,
"we shal fight in the beaches
we shall fight in the landing fields...
we will never surrender!
even if, which for one minute i do not believe,
this country, or a large part of it was subjugated and starving,
then our colonies will continue to fight...
until, i god's time, the young
with all its attendant military might,
will come forth and liberate the old."
This is a real incident. After saying these lines, Winston Churchill covered the radio mic, turned to the radio commentator and said "And hit them with beer bottles, because frankly. That's all we have."
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Joining quiz competitions and programs. Most of the time, these quiz competitions have cash prizes.
I also competed in Channel 9's Battle of the Brains. I eventually became the Grand Champion and the Southeast Asian Champion of the said show. Won Php500K and US$10,000 in two months.
Then I became a judge in quiz shows. Schools and other orgs pay me honorariums for doing so. Damn, I miss that raket.
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French, at Alliance Francaise. Did it for a year.
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If you're interested in pankration, marami ka namang mapagtatanungan dun sa forum na yun.