leloup

Did Karatedo for 4 years while in college... started Muay Thai now.

 

Iba ang kicks and mas combative ang Muay Thai. Pero hirap ako sa drills coz tagal na akong walang training. Pero tyaga-tyaga lang naman yan.

 

Happy ako sa Muay thai kasi lapit sa office , flexible ang hours, bait pa trainer and importante sa lahat, di sya mabigat sa bulsa.

 

San ka nagmu-muay thai? And sino instructor?

Any muay thai gym in fairview or close to Shaw blvd? Im a taekwondo player but would like to transition to muay thai if I can find the time in my schedule.

 

I'm not familiar how close Fairview is to Commonwealth Ave. but there's a chapter of Muay Thai Association of the Philippines (MAP) in in the said area. It's called Muay Vallega Camp. It has produced 3 RP team members one of which won the gold medal in wai kru in the 2005 SEA Games.

 

If you're close to Shaw Blvd., then the best place to train is in Ultra. Its the Central gym of MAP, where the Philippine team trains, and they will be the one to train you.

 

It will be very easy to transition to muay thai if your background is TKD. The challenge is you have to change the way you do your kicks. Aside from using the shin as the point of impact, muay thai round house kicks are delivered dead legged style, there's no chambering, which is very unlike TKD kicks.

a little taekwondo back when i was in 2nd year college. i'm into boxing now. after, if i do have time, i'd like to try muay thai. smile.gif

 

If you're interested in Muay Thai, please tell me your location so I can refer you to the nearest Muay Association of the Phils. (MAP) nearest you. Like, you I started in TKD. This background made it easy for me to transition to muay thai.

JUST ASKING... are tachi-waza...throwing techniques of judo or jujitsu...all but eliminated in Gracie jujitsu???... I always see gracie jujitsu stylists.. shooting under a punch... grabe the legs and topple the opponent...once in the ground grapple to apply a submission hold/choke etc... WALA NA PO ANG THROWS... LIKE IN JUDO???...A GOOD THROW CAN EASILY KNOCK AN OPPONENT UNCONSCIOUS... it can also bring an opponent to the ground...ANY INFOS???... TNX !!

 

There are some Judo throws, like the ippon seoi nage and koshi guruma, that gives your back which can easily be taken advantage of, and do some chokes or other submission maneuvers, if countered. And in sports BJJ, if you get the back of your opponent, that's automatically 2 points.

 

Throws like Osoto gari and Kouchi gari can be used as takedowns in bjj as they don't give the back. Morote Gari is often used in BJJ, both in gi and no-gi competition.

 

There are two events in sports BJJ, gi and no gi. In gi competition, judo throws can be effectively used as takedowns. But in no-gi competitions, judo throws are difficult to do because you can't grab or hold onto any gi. So wrestling takedowns are commonly used.

You've mastered the art in 2 months? Really? The Kru's of MAP - the Muay Association of the Philippines - who currenltyt represent the country in Muay Thai events here and abroad don't even call themselves masters of their art, and they've been doing it for years.

Perhaps what he means is that he learned the basics in just two months.

 

Really, there's muay thai in Fitness First? Are they affiliated with MAP? who's the instructor?

 

Even the local black belts in Brazilina Jiu Jitsu here in the country never claim to have mastered their art.

BJJ and MT are two different martial arts. Striking martial arts, such as MT, TKD etc are much easier to "master" or earn a blackbelt (there's no belting system in MT) than grappling/throwing arts such as BJJ, Judo and Aikido. Which is why you can be a TKD or Karate Blackbelt in 3 or 4 years. Whereas in BJJ, you're considered lucky or exceptional to get the blackbelt in 8 years.

alamat po sir snobbysnak for the info...i didn't get the name exactly... Pan dam or Pan Nam wing chun... it's popular in singapore ... Sir Leloup... have you have info on this???... tnx po...

 

there's really nothing wrong with mixed martial arts...it's just a name...when i studied judo/jujitsu...a little boxing... and FMA..I didn't confind myself to one particular style...each had it's merits and drawbacks...when someone attacks you.. use all at your disposal to defend yourself... without labelling it.. you're doing mixed martial arts

 

Sorry, don't know much about Chinese martial art.

 

As for MMA, you're right about it.

How about Krav Maga or Dim Mak? Anyone know if there are any instructors here in the metro?

There's a Krav Maga school in San Juan but people I know don't speak highly of it. If you want to learn knife fighting or defense against knives, FMAs are much, much better and cheaper too.

 

Justin Nicholas,

 

Where do you train in Muay Thai?

Olympus and Plakat,

PM sent.

 

Pedro Penduku,

 

Chambered means that before fully executing the roundhouse kick, you bend your knees and then straighten it out upon impact at the target. Check a karateka or tkd jin or yaw yan fighter do a roundhouse kick. They would raise their leg (its like doing a leg block) with their calf close to the leg and then extend the shin/knee at the moment of impact. Muay Thai style of roundhouse kick is done dead legged. The shin goes up directly to the target area, there's no chambering of the knee. Imagine doing the kick without the knee involved. I suggest watching videos at youtube and you'll the difference.

It's correct that the leg should be on a slightly bended position.

 

Why not asking your instructor to become a member of MAP? We are the accredited sanctioning body for Muay Thai and your gym can participate in any tournaments organized by MAP. Your gymmates/instructors could also try out for the Philippine team if they become accredited chapters.

Modern muay thai? Traditional muay thai or muay boran is the foundation of muay thai techniques. It's not commonly thought here and I learned it in Kaewsamrit Gym.

 

Sorry, let me correct myself. I should say "It's not commonly taught here". Sorry, got an adrenalin pump that blocked my faculty for the English language.

Good news to guys located in Las Pinas, there's an accredited MAP chapter in BF Homes. I'm just trying to get permission from the instructor to distribute his contact info. He's the real deal. He's a Philippine Team member (Class C) and won medals in local competitions (in a tournament, he defeated 3 Baguio City muay thai fighers. Fighting Baguio City muay thai practitioners is like fighting Koreans in TKD) and is undefeated at Fearless Fighting Championship.

 

I'm supposed to fight an exhibition match in SM Southmall a few weeks ago but have to beg off because my mom was diagnosed with leukemia. The instructor I think is Eman Sabrine, I'm afraid that he's not an accredited MAP member or chapter. He's a good fighter though, his brother and students would often compete in Yaw-yan matches.

 

that's good to hear sir, thanks really appreciate that... my trainer says that what he is teaching us is a modern muay thai, because I am doing some research on the internet regarding the muay thai moves and when I ask him of a particular move that he did not teach us, he will say that that move is from the traditional muay thai...

 

how many kicks of muay thai do you know sir? coz based on the research I did on the internet, it has 6 kicks...

hhmmm. Modern muay thai? Traditional muay thai or muay boran is the foundation of muay thai techniques. It's not commonly thought here and I learned it in Kaewsamrit Gym. Ask your instructor to teach you wai kru, the ceremonial dance done before a match. He can't use the excuse that he's teaching modern muay thai because wai kru is an integral part of muay thai. If you're claiming that you are fighting/competing in muay thai but couldn't do the wai kru then its either B.S. or you're not teaching authentic muay thai.

 

Muay thai has only two kicks that are commonly used, the teep and the round house kicks (and its many variations). They do have turning back kicks but rarely use it in the ring because its takes too long to execute and when you miss, you are at a disadvantageous position that you opponent can take advantage of. How does he execute his roundhouse kicks? Is it chambered or dead legged style? That alone will tell you if your instructor is teaching you authentic muay thai or muay thai flavored with other martial art.

have been looking around for a mauy thai gym here in our area, but sad to say there are only a few, and the two gyms I found are connected to each other, the gym that i'm in right now is just a branch of the main one that is located in manuela... the gym name is "Street Fighting Club", the instructor teaches Kickboxing, Self Defense, Grappling, Arnis and Muay Thai... its the most convinient and affordable (for me) that I can find.

 

for the Motivation thing, I have a friend that trains with me, so we can also train at home together... we just need some equipment...

 

thanks for the contact number and person of the store that you've told me... i'll visit the store on my free time... so you also have a banana bag at home? good for you...just hope you'll be motivated enough to use your equipment... and you've been training for 4 years now, so i'm pretty sure you very good at it... you can even teach muay thai if you want to... :-) and i'll be glad to be one of your students...

Kindly ask if Street Fighting Club is an accredited chapter of Muay Association of the Philippines. And who is their instructor?

 

Since you have a friend to train with, I suggest you also buy the thai pads. This will help you with the timing and the distance of executing techniques.

 

Thanks for the complements but I am not qualified to teach the art. I am just and will always be a student. I can give you some tips though and you can always ask me something about muay thai.

pedrupenduku,

 

You can try K-1 Extreme Sportshop near Greenhills San Juan. Their phone number is 726-5187 look for Jaime Alexis Sin. I think their banana bags costs around Php5-8k, depending on the brand. Another martial arts store is Squadron shoppe in Makati Cinema square, sorry I don't know the contact number.

 

Here's another suggestion, why not just find a good muay thai gym within your vicinity? They should have a banana bag for training. The usual problem with having equipment at home is that there are chances you will not be that motivated to train and hit the heavy bag (I'm guilty of this). Plus, nobody's there to correct you if you're executing the techniques right.

Banana bag? is that different from the regular punching/kicking bag that I see in the sporst house?

 

or is it the one with a nylon like rounded bag? the texture of the fabric that like for those military bags? the bags that I saw are just about 4 feet high, will try to ask around for the banana bag you suggest. thanks for that sir....

It's very different. They're also called muay thai bags, they're about six feet tall. They enable you to practice your low kicks. The beauty of these bags is, over time, when you kick it very often, the materials inside the bags compresses at the bottom. Making the lower part of the bags harder. Therefore, making it better to condition your shin.

 

i've never heard of a muay thai "kata" in all the years i've been training. i also don't believe in kata no matter what the system, but that's my personal opinion based on my own experiences.

My thoughts exactly. I used to be an officer of the POC and PSC recognized governing body of muay thai and my mandate is to recruit/accredit chapters in the Philippines. I was surprised that there are several karate schools that switched to muay thai just because the latter is very popular now a days. In the end, they teach bastardized muay thai. I even encountered a karate instructor who told me, I never told him who I was, if I want to learn muay thai, then I just study karate and boxing.

f you're just curious then it's worthwhile to just learn and perfect the muay thai kata.

Errr. There's no such thing as muay thai kata. Perhaps you mean the wai kru but its just a ceremonial dance to honor your teacher.

any BJJ schools in the Makati area?

 

rates, scheds, website?

There's the Kamphuis-Fabricio Academy Makati every Tue and Thur 7-9 at Republic Gym, Evangelista St. Makati. This is where I train. The instructor recently won 4 gold medals in the Pan Asian BJJ and Grappling tournament held this month. Website is www.bjjphilippines.com

 

There's a Newbreed Academy in BA Lepanto Tower in Paseo de Roxas and Gracie Barra Academy in Red Corner Intercon Hotel. Perhaps, just look in the internet for these bjj schools.

 

Don't know the difference, so I can't really say which of the two I would practice/train in the future.

The one that you see in UFC, URCC and other mixed martial arts tournaments, that's mostly Brazilian Jujitsu. The one practiced by the Gracies.

 

I see... I thought there is a special training in developing your shinguard and armblock muscles... I would buy a punching bag and practice at home...

 

you've been training muay thai for 4 years? WOW!!! and you even trained in thailand... cool!! wish I could go there and train even just for a year or less, it would be nice, i'm still a newbie in muaythai been training for a month pa lang, and I do it on sat and sun only, plan to train everyday after a month or so maybe...

I suggest buying the banana bag. It's a six feet high bag and its the one often used in muay thai gyms.

 

Actually I trained for just a few weeks in Thailand. It is impossible for me to stay there for several months as I have work and businesses here in the Philippines. Plus, its very costly to train in Thailand. If you plan to go there and train, I can refer you to the muay thai camp where I trained, Kaewsamrit Gym. It is voted as trainer of the year in 2002 and runner up finishes as trainer of the year in 2001, 2003 and 2004 (pardon if I get the years mixed up).

 

I'm based in Makati and I train at Muay Asso. of the Philippines Headquarters at Ultra Pasig.

wala p tol..can you direct me to one, anywhere in makati, or the fort..and kung mas mura mas maganda? .."0

What's your purpose, fitness or hard core training? There's a muay thai gym in Antel Corporate Center along Valero St. but they teach watered down muay thai. There's muay thai in Red Corner Intercon but again, its just for fitness. If you want hard core muay thai, the Muay Thai Association of the Philippines HQ in Ultra is not too far away. There, you will be trained by RP Team members and learn authentic muay thai.

 

anyone here into Ju Jitsu? I also intend to learn Ju Jitsu in time... after training in Muay Thai, do you think it is a good Idea to get a book in Ju Jitsu and try to practice it while training in Muay Thai?

Brazilian Jujitsu or Japanese Jujitsu? What's your purpose for cross training in jujitsu? Do you intend to compete in MMA? If you do, it is advisable to spend a few years first in muay thai, to make it your base art and then cross train in jujitsu. Baka kasi malito ka sa stances, foot work and everything. Have been training in muay thai for 4 years but last year lang ako ng BJJ.

 

ir can you teach me how to develop my shin guard and armblock muscles? i know it takes time... but a few tips from the person who knows the sport better than me is a great help...

There are no short cuts. It's doing hundreds of roundhouse kicks everyday on a heavy bag. Have trained in Thailand and was told by Thai fighters, when I asked for the same tips, that the pain doesn't really go away. By constant training, you just increase your tolerance for the pain.

Is muay thai a good martial arts to lose fat or be fit..I want to lose fat..but i feel lke doing cardio alone is a waste of time when you can practice a certain martial arts and lose wight at the same time...wat do you think?

 

Muay Thai is a very rigorous art, specially if you are being trained by certified MAP trainers. But it is not a panacea for losing fat or getting fit. Cross train in running and strength training. Where do you intend to train in Muay Thai?

i dont know if my style is ok, because i fused some styles that i have some background on, for my hands i use boxing for the punching technique, blocking and stance i use jeet kune do and boxing depends on when im facing left or right, for close combat and legs i use muay thai, im very fond of using my knees and the thai kick, and for ground some jujitsu and a little bit of ninjitsu. i also trained aikido but didnt use it, its just not right for me, i think the best technique is the one that fits your style, the one youre comfortable with...

 

It's ok to fuse the best techniques from different martial arts. I cross train in muay thai, boxing and brazilian jujitsu. But sometimes, especially when you are competing, you tend to be confused. Like, when competing/sparring muay thai, doing the bob and weave, which is common in boxing, is a mortal sin because you'll end up eating a lot of knees and elbows on your face. When I was training in Thailand, the muay thai trainers would often correct my punch because my style is boxing wherein the punches are short and crisp, whereas in muay thai, the punches are long and powerful with the weight of your body behind the punch.

see ,thats where buno comes from.

There is a google video on 'buno' ,it shows more combative grappling and it imitates monkey and tiger performed by Abon Baet..Intereseting and has some similarity with the Silat styles.

I can't comment much on buno as I'm not that familiar. I train in BJJ and Bon and I got to exchange some ideas/techniques when we train.

 

is there any gyms praticing that old kinda Yaw-Yan...whaht makes it so different from yy now

is the groundfighting only difference in the curriculum?

Yes, there is. Master Nap's gym in Bulacan still practice the old yaw-yan. In my opinion, which is also shared by some Yawyan instructors, Master Nap's belief that striking is everything is sort of outdated in an MMA match. That's why we are incorporating grappling in our training. Chef Chris, the owner of the Ardigma Makati Gym even said, that one year ago, he will not think of including grappling in our training. But with the performance of the yaw-yan practitioners in MMA matches, wherein most of them lost via submission, the art has to evolve.

ey guys, just wanna ask...

 

i would like to enroll my son to a martial arts lesson this coming summer. my purpose is for him to learn discipline at a very young age.

 

are there any schools that would cater kids between 4-6? cavite area. by the ay I am from Gen trias.

 

tia.

Try KD. They hold summer clinics in several locations. Try inquiring at PTA

wow si sir emir pa rin. i took lessons with my brother when i was in high school for about a couple of months from that same club, and sir emir was the sensei. that probably 6-8 yrs ago. nice to know he's still there. mabait un eh.

 

 

thanks for the info smile.gif

Yup, he still teaches in that club. He's a very good instructor. He will patiently and painstakingly teach the proper techniques of judo.

hey.I know Bon,thought he is in US .How was his fight. Is that the fourth fight on the list.

He is from Yaw-Yan Pasay right?why Yaw-Yan buno

Better luck next time Leloup.

Well, he's back since last November and started training for the fight. Unfortunately, he lost via armbar. He went up against somebody from yaw-yan evolution. He competed in a MMA match and to honor the person who taught him grappling/groundfighting, he carried the name Buno (which is a Filipino art of grappling). We're both back into training mode and I know that he can carry the day next time he fights. We are currently organizing another Yawyan Fighting Challenge in March.

 

guys meron ba kaung alam na nag tuturo ng jui jitsu..nanggaling na rin kasi ako sa muay thai eh gusto ko lng sana matutu pa ng jui jits

there are two main types of jujitsu. Japanese jujitsu and Brazilian jujitsu. Which one do you want to learn? and what's your location? Judo is a sport therefore, it has rules that practitioners must follow. But judo can be deadly too. Try executing an osoto-gari on your opponent on concrete and let's see if they will still be able to stand up.

Olympus, sent you a pm

 

ushy rocker

ello. meron ba dito may alam na judo lessons along makati/manila/ (taft vito cruz area)? ung malapit sa dlsu po

 

thanks smile.gif

 

Try Pro-Kosys Judo club. They train at PAJA (Phil. Amateur Judo Asso.) Main Gym at Rizal Memorial Stadium. Just behind DLSU. Their instructor is Sensei Emir Reyes. They train Saturday 10-12a.m. and Sunday 2-4p.m.

Olympus

leloup,

 

what yawyan chapter are you from?

 

I train with Yaw-Yan Ardigma Makati but I'm really with MAP-Ultra.

 

Are you the same Olympus from pinoymma?

Leloup ,how was the Yaw-Yan fight night.Most of the fights were won by Yaw-yan right?have you participated?

 

best regards

Yup, most of the fights are won by Yaw-yan. I want to compete but they couldn't find a fighter of the same weight class. Perhaps next time. The organizer is currently trying to come up with the video of the tournament. I'll try to post it.

 

I think you know Burungkol in Martial Arts planet forum. He competed too.