CardingTigas

na stress ka na ba sakin sir ED??? hindi ka maka paniwala na may chance na pwede magkaron ng something good of a s@%t hole??? ok lang yan...kahit ako sa sarili ko hindi ko din masabe kung hanggang saan ang aabutin namin dalawa, we just have to figure it out for the two of us...hindi naman namin sinasabe na tularan nyo un ganun setup...

we could keep on arguing and make dozens of pages out of our ideas to the point na baka I cancel na ng moderators tong topic na to hahahaha...but as long as na experience ko un ganitong set up, and wala naman masyadong drama na involved between me and my girl, eh wala ako nakikitang reason para iwan sya =)

Ang Bottom line neto eh, walang basagan =)

 

Let me reiterate again na this is not about our inability to see the good in women who chose this walk of life. Believe it or not, I have a very good freind who had to cut his own finger with his kitchen knife and offer it to his boss to leave his life behind. What he did? Dont ask. I see the good in him, and I in fact consider him as a sorrugate father figure. Romantic relationships is a whole different ball game though. Sa makatuwid, hindi issue dito kung bakit nila pinasok ang trabaho nila, ang pinaguusapan dito pakikipagrelasyon sa kanya. Just because we are not supportive of the idea some of you interpret it as we are stoning these women to death at maguumpisa pa ng mga linyang "babae din naman sila na may karapatan magmahal at mahalin, ohuhuhuhuu" lol. Really, kaya namin natatawanan ito kasi sobrang emo,

 

If you have taken her out of that place, well then congratulations, ano pa nga ba masasabi namin kundi goodluck. Siguro naman, kaya mo na yung hamon sayo ni Mason Slake na ipakilala na yung babae sa circle mo lalo na sa parents mo. Kung hindi, then why go through all the trouble. And not to prick your bubble or anything, but I hope you understand this is not yet the happy ending na hinahanap mo. This is not yet happily ever after. Actually this is where the best and the worst are yet to come. So in as much as you wanna be very idealistic about the situation its good to be realistic. Ngayon madali sabihin na tapos na yung nakaraan nga. Sana nga! Sana nasettle yan ng maayos, dahil kung hindi, multo yan na babalik sa hinaharap.

 

Tignan nyo na lang yung nasaksihan nating away dito. Kung kelan tumigil na sana yung babae sa ganitong hanap buhay, kung kelan nagbabagong buhay na sana sya, saka pa sya minulto ng nakaraan nya at naeskandalo. Masaklap pa nito, pati pamilya nya nadamay na din sa gulo. Hindi ito pananakot o kung ano pa man, pero sana magsilbi yan babala sa lahat.

Hindi ko din naman sinabe na happy ending to...and walang guarantee ang happy endings kahit nga mga mag asawa nag hihiwalay...we live each day knowing that no matter what, we got each other's back..yun tonality ng reactions mo show strong emotion against something, ako chill lang, so sino ngayon mag mumukang emo? I'm just sharing some of my experience to those who are in the same situation as I am, or those who are confused, para makita din nila na hindi basehan yun trabaho ng babae...your comments are somehow loaded with hate for something that you barely even experienced...chill...with regards to introducing her to my circle, is not an issue for us, since we don't have to divulge everything to people around us, we are not obliged to to tell everyone about her past...yan past na yan, tapos na yan, hindi na maibabalik yan, mga taong guilty of something terrible lang ang mga takot sa multo...again my message to you dear sir, is that try to respect other people who ACTUALLY ExperienceD the said thing, and please don't shove ideas to others throat just because you believe in the superiority of your theories. Wala naman nag sabe sayo na mag mahal ka ng therapist =) prove mo din thru actual experience yun mga sinasabe mo, tsaka wag sana masyado judgemental ah...pare pareho din naman tayo kumakain ng kanin...kung kaya mo ngumuya ng pako, susundin kita =)

Yun lang, medyo loaded ng hate yun mga sinasabe mo sir...try to understand people nalang..besides hndi naman sila dependent sayo...

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Hold on a second right there. What are you trying to say man? That just because you have the "first-hand" experience it means you know more? Again that the equivalent of a heroin junkie claiming he is in control of his s@%t and knows how to handle it better because he has been pumping it in his veins for years. Its not just about having the experience, its about what you learn from it and how you handle it. And also again not everybody who agrees with me are as ignorant as you think dahil pumapasok din naman sila sa mga ES.

 

Kaya sana, tama ka sa sinasabi mo na you are in control nga of your situation and you understand it. Lahat naman ng tao yan lagi ang sinasabi lol. Lalo kung masaya sila sa ginagawa nila. Ewan ko kung nabasa mo yung sinabi ko noon. Happiness is not enough reason for you to stick doing something. Thats just immature and naive.

 

Now of course I am against it for the reason that I understand the rules of the game. I understand na a healthy relationship is not the one where your woman can be touched by other men. She is your woman, then definitely ikaw lang dapat hahawak sa kanya. If she can't give you that, then she is not ready for a relationship. You either leave the industry start a new life to be worthy of a healthy relationship. Or you stay, and avoid being in one till you are in it.

yeah, somehow I can say yes, may konting edge ako than those who haven't experienced it..and since ang topic is all about falling in love with women in this industry at hindi naman falling in love with an ordinary girl.... I have experienced it, I felt it with all of my senses, went thru ups and downs with some of them. I also had my fair share of shitty moments with some of them, those who only wanted s@%t... but it didn't hindered me from seeing the good in others no matter what their status in life is.. days turns to weeks, weeks turns to months and eventually we ended up with each other..., she changed, we set our priorities, left her old job, I can truly say na all of my accounts where based on my own experiences.

dba nga ganun ginawa ko??? I took her out of the scene past nya yun, wala na ako magagawa dun...ang mahalaga naman, un mismong tao eh willing to move on and let go of her past and focus nalang kame on what's ahead for the 2 of us...for me its all that matters...

Prudence is the better part of valour...

“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.” - Sun Tzu....

 

Sus, kahit sinong adik yan din ang sasabihin dahil in denial. Na kilala nya sarili nya, kaya nya problema nya, yada yada yada. Denial ang pinakaconvenient na defense mechanism ng psyche natin. Huwag mo isipin, huwag mo problemahin, ok lang yan. Di mo alam, yun na pala yung gaping cracks na pag di mo inintindi bubulaga na lang sayo bigla. But if you truly know yourself, then what do you need validation for?

 

Sa pangalawa mong punto, una sa lahat marami naman ang nagpopost dito di naman sing ignorante ng iniisip mo. Nakapasok na din naman sila sa ES, MP, KTV at kung ano ano pa. Pagkakaiba nga lang, alam nila yung limits nila. At Naiintindihan na ibang ball game ang serious relationship. Don't you get it? This is not about understanding women from the trade, its about understanding how healthy relationships work. When you should have one and when not to.

 

Second, you can also say the same thing about a counselor helping a heroin addict. Ano ba alam nya? Nasubukan nya na ba gumamit ng heroin din? Naranasan nya ba pinagdadaanan nya etc? Maybe he never understood shoving dope on his vains, but he understands drug physiology and behavioral psychology. More often than not, it is enough. Do you get what I am trying to say here.

 

Besides it all goes back to "hindi nyo kasi naiintindihan, eh ang tanong, ikaw sigurado ka bang naiintindihan mo sitwasyon mo?" Ano ginamit mo pagintindi? Utak? Puso?

oo naman naiintinidhan ko situation ko...and I'm still in control, besides..hindi naman ako mag sasalita ng ganito kung hindi ko first hand na experience hindi naman ako nag hahanap ng validation, ako pa din naman to at the end of the day, I'm just saying, un tonality ng mga post mo eh is really a direct hit para sa mga babae sa industry nato and against sa idea of having a relationship with women in this industry...

you asked me kung anu ginagamit ko pang intindi? I say, "Experience-Utak-Puso-Kunsensya" I still have my "Humanity Intact" and I am not vindictive...

ok lang yan kanya kanyang pananaw talaga yan

 

Isa pa yang misconception about support groups. Sa meetings, laging pinapaala na we can choose to be victims or we can choose to be survivors. Yan ang gusto nila labanan mo, ang victim mentality. Pero lahat yan kelangan magumpisa na tanggapin mo sa sarili mo na may problema ka.

 

Dalawa ang klase ng taong nakakalampas sa trauma. Yung isa na mas inaayos buhay nya, at yung isa na path of self-destruction pipiliin. Kaya nga maganda na komunsulta ka sa tamang tao. Mga taong mabibigyan ka ng tamang payo, at marerekumenda ka sa doktor kung talagang kelangan mo na. Lalo kung may clinical symptoms ka na pala.

 

Para sakin, ignorante lang talaga ang mga taong nagbibigay ng masamang stigma sa mga taong gusto umatend ng support group meetings.

Why complicate things and be affected with stress kung kilala mo naman sarili mo na wala naman problema, huge % ng problema ay nasa isip lang =) well for me, ganun din, ignorante din un mga tao na nag bibigay ng stigma at judgmental pagdating sa mga babae sa eSpa =)

 

Dude, If I may be honest, this is one ignorant statement you can make about support groups. Hindi lahat ng umaatend ng meeting eh sing lala ng gusto mo isipin. They attend because nakakapulot sila ng insights na napapakinabangan nila. Some of them are there to help din. And some? They just want a clear assessment ng emotional at psychological state nila. Bakit ba ganito perception ng maraming pilipino tungkol sa support group at psych counseling? Komo ba sabihin mo na gusto mo magpatingin sa isang Psychologist eh sira ulo na? Ano ba masama dun? Kung may pipirmahan kang kontrata, kokunsulta ka sa abugado. Kung may nararamdaman sa katawan, konsulta sa doctor. Wala naman masama na kumunsulta ka din sa espesyalista sa pagiisip o umatend ng meetings para mas masort out mo issues mo. Yan ang sasabihin kong subukan mo muna kasi.

 

Ang masama, yung in denial ka. Na hindi mo inaamin sa sarili mo na may issues ka. Na tignin mo, kayang kaya mo ang bisyo mo, at lahat ng gusto mong marinig eh validation lagi sa gusto mong mangyari. Sabi nga, the last thing that a fish would notice is water. May mga bagay na mas mainam ikonsulta mo sa isang maayos na lugar at hindi yung lagi ka sa tropa mo tatakbo. Ano ba naman sasabihin ng tropa mo sayo kundi puros lip service gaya ng "o kaya mo yan", "labas na lang tayo", "mangchicks na lang tayo". Kahit nga yung "pray ka na lang kay lord" sorry to say this, but that does not always help.

 

Tandaan mo, when a person keeps saying "I don't have a problem", his biggest problem is most likely he is lying to himself. Denial is a real b!tch.

been rolling like this for quite sometime, pero hindi naman un naka sagabal sakin para dumating sa punto na nakaka sagabal un sa pagiging normal na tao sa isang society...anu ba issue ung gusto mo I point out???

kaya nga nag coconsult dahil meron ka hindi ma solve na problema....

grabe na kasi un stigma na inaabot ng mga babae na ganun ang work...unfair na kasi...bro sa totoo lang madame na kasi din mapang husga, un iba porke nag bayad ng tip, ang tingin sa kanila nabili nila un tao, service un binabayaran hindi yun pagkatao...hindi naman lahat ng babae na ganun ang work eh oportunista na...

 

 

Sa mga support group meetings na dinaluhan ko, ang pinakaproblema lagi ng pumapasok sa program eh sila mismo hirap aminin na kontrolado sila ng bisyo nila. Ako noon, iniisip ko, komo nagtratrabaho at nakakaipon pa eh wala akong problema sa bisyo ko. Kaya ko ito. Not realizing it was affecting my health at yung confidence ko makisocialize. So mahirap sagutin through exchange of posts at sarili mong diagnosis kung nakakaapekto nga sayo bisyo mo. Kung sasama ka sa meeting, ilang sessions kekelanganin para ikaw mismo makabigay ng honest answer sa sagot na yan.

 

Ang importante, may balance ka dapat sa buhay mo lagi. May oras sa trabaho, sa pamilya, at higit sa lahat sa sarili at kalusugan.

grabe siguro ung nang wasak sayo dati bro, to the point na kinailangan mo pa ng support group...hndi nga para sayo un mga ganung set up...baka mas malala pala inabot mo kung na dale ka ng user na babae from this "industry" na tinutukoy mo...hhhmmm...

dahil sa mga pangyayari sa thread na to parang nagka interes tuloy akong sumubok...just wondering din kasi on what the hype is all about for quite some time now

just make sure that you wont play with her feelings...babae pa din yan =)

 

Lol, thanks but this is not exactly at the top of my to-do list or anything I am dying to try soon .

 

Hindi ako nagmamalinis dito, siguro naman lahat tayo may konting bisyo sa katawan. But having survived alcohol addiction, I learned na ang bisyo dapat pinipili mabuti at di ka nagpapaalipin dyan. Kahit sabihin mong marami kang pera, makakaapekto din ito sayo sa ibang bagay. Sa kalusugan, at higit sa lahat sa social skills mo at perception sa maraming bagay tungkol sa totoong realidad. The same I think can be true for both women or any substance.

hindi naman sya totally bisyo, it so happen na madame lang ako naging kaibigan..hangout oo, pero Bisyo?? I don't think so =) ...pero hindi naman sya destructive for me...that is based on my own experience ah, iba iba naman ang ugali ng tao sa pag handle ng mga situation...may mga taong na wawasak pag na consume na ng kalungkutana and nilalamon na ng sistema...yeah, there are some na ginagawang escape from reality un mga ganung lugar just to cope with loses in their life...iba iba din un reasons talaga...pero Wala naman Maloloko kung Walang Magpapaloko...

don't worry hindi ka naman nag mamalinis..iba lang talaga point of view mo pag dating sa kanila =)

 

Yes, sabi ko nga, huwag gawing career ang bisyo. Nakakatawa pa dito, marami ang gusto magmalaki na "matagal na sila sa industriya" na marami na silang kilalang thera MP ES whatever. Isa lang ibig sabihin nyan, lulong na masyado sa bisyo. Masama pa nito, ang hilig magyabang ng galing sa chicks eh puros naman taga sa "industryang" ito ang pinagmamalaki.

ok lang yan..try mo minsan =)

 

Tama ka talaga dyan, I always say hindi masama ang magkaroon ka ng nararamdaman para sa isang tao. Tama na kung minsan hindi mo nadidiktahan nararamdaman mo. Pero ang kinikilos pwede madiktahan. Hindi dapat laging emosyon magdidikta sa mga desisyon. Gingamitan yan ng konting pagiisip.

 

 

Thats the problem when people easily fall in love. IMO its a sign of lack of emotional maturity. Any idiot can fall in love, but on intelligent and mature people can make a healthy relationship work. Ang relasyon hindi lang naman yan puro ahmor at lib0g. Kelangan handa din kayo sa mga araw na alam nyong di masyado masaya. Ngayon oo handa magtiis kasi masaya pa, eh pano kung wala na yung novelty? Tapos na honeymoon period? Kung puro lang kayo Ahmor lib0g collapse din relasyon nyo.

 

 

 

 

Yeah tama ka dyan, I whole-heartedly agree. Eto nga eh, pano kung dumating yung panahon na masyado na lang kayo sanay sa isat isa, wala na yung kilig, wala na yung excitement, wala na yung honeymoon period? Mas magiging matindi for sure mga away nyo. Mamaya in a fit of rage, maungkat mo pa nakaraan ng partner mo at gamitin mo pa itong bala sa kanya.

pwede ka na mag release ng book

Thats from chris rock lol. okay okay im stopping

damn right

Red Means STOP...boys back off na...we would never win in an argument with a women, you know why??? BECAUSE WE HAVE THE NEED TO MAKE SENSE...

 

 

Ayan, nakita mo na di ba? As we speak nagiging fight club na itong thread na ito. We are injecting some crude humour on this predicament to make it lighter, but this is already getting serious. Something like this could really happen when you do not properly think about the risk you get yourself into. More than sa 2 babae na ito na dinala dito pagbabangayan nila, naawa ako sa mga pamilya nila lalo yung mga minors na wala naman kinalaman at kasalanan.

 

Hotinmanila & naugthyPSP,

 

What happened is really messed up and I am sorry it had to be like this. But please, huwag naman kayong dalawang parang bata. Mga wala ba kayong pinagaralan at pinababababa nyo sarili nyo ng ganito? Hindi nyo ba pwedeng pagusapan ito ng parang mga sibilisadong tao? Huwag na naman sana madamay ang mga taong wala naman kinalaman sa gusot na ito. lalong lalo na pamilya at mga bata. Kung gusto nyo, magdemandahan na lang ng kayo kayo lang. Yan ay kung talagang gusto nyo maabala at payamanin mga abugado nyo. Eitherway really, what you guys are doing is not helping

 

damn..that's f#&ked up....

 

Lol hindi ako galit. Actually I was in a very playful mood, that is different from being raging furious like how you describe it. Most of all, I am not hating. Hating on line is stupid. The way I see it, I have been on the receiving end of hate more because of the things I say it. It does not matter how prudent I present it, someones always gonna throw something at me sometimes including the kitchen sink. And the way I also see this? Its you who should chill parekoy, to be frank about this, ikaw ang mas may dahilan na personalin masyado sinabi ko.

 

Now in case you did not notice, I made that post out of the fiasco that was going on kanina. Names were being dropped, people getting so desperate, mauuwi pa ata sa demandahan. Sana mas napansin mo yun, dahil ang gusto ko lang naman sabihin sa post na yan, kahit kanino kung di magiisip isip pwedeng mangyari yan. Anong magagawa ng mga ahmor ahmor at romantic kalechehan na yan pag umabot na sa demandahan at eskandalo? (yes I am still in a playful mood right now). And syempre, habang masaya habang di pa nagcatch up yung reality, walang magiisip na mangyayari ito sa kanila. Just like probably the guy being talked about. Masyado na kasi nagkakaseryosohan, so I thought Id inject a little crude humour into it, lol. Kaya maraming "u" sa salitang Stupid na ginamit ko, kasi naiisip ko yung kanta ng salbakuta. And truthfully of all the comic romantic bullsh!t I read in this thread, yung "understand from the heart" really takes the cake.

 

But ok, serious na tayo. Yung nakita natin sa kabilang thread, sana magsilbing babala ito sa mga ayaw magisip ng mabuti kung ano pinapasok nila. Kaya nga noon ko pa sinasabi evaluate your risks well. If the risk does not outweigh the reward the don't do it. Tingnan nyo yan, may mga pamilya ng nadadamay tuloy sa gusot na ito. This is what happens kasi when people do not know how to properly build and award trust to their partners. At delikado talaga yan kung kadalasan mo lang nakakausap yung babae pag nagtratrabaho sya.

 

Also Id like to point out na that case maybe should be an eye-opener for women who are in the trade to keep everything professional. Affairs like this are really dangerous

okie dok!!! Duly Noted..apir!!!

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@Edmund Dantes...pre chill lang ah...relax...kalma lang...inaabangan ko post mo eh heheheh.. =)

oooopppsss...referee....foul...alam ko meron fight club na room...

I remember that healthy discussion. And I've been waiting for your reaction from his last post kasi ikaw ang naaalala ko sa mga post nya Di kasi natuloy yung proposal natin sa kanya eh.

Yeah, nababasa ko un mga latest postings ni sir ED and I'm sure may malalim na reason kung bakit ganun un perspective nya sa mga ganitong set up, and we do respect his position about the issue....oo nga sayang un proposal kung natuloy yun pa meet and greet para naman mawala un stress nya...but its never too late naman...

 

tinamaan ka ba sa post niya pre kaya nagreact ka? hehe

back read ka ng konti pre, un mga tipong bandang kalagitnaan ng December..kung hindi d2 sa topic na to, dun sa Falling for a Therapist...meron kame mga healthy arguments nyan ni Sir ED...pero hindi natin sya masisisi...ok lang yan....

it so happen na spa therapist un ilan sa mga talagang ka close ko...masaya naman sila kasama, hindi naman lahat kelangan magkaroon ng romantic involvement to begin with...pwede naman ka barkada mo na din, and may success story din naman talaga with regards to their respective relationship with their significant other...

again...ito ay based sa mga experience ko, and hindi ko sinasabe na tularan...may kanya kanya tayo brain cells...that's why The Brain is located above your Dick....apir!!!

If it causes more pain than joy, leave...sabe nga nila... "Ginusto mo yan..wag ka iiyak-iyak pagktapos......"

 

Pero di yan iisipin ng mga lalake dito na gusto lokohin ang mga sarili nila na may magandang kakahinatnan pinasok nila. Na magkakaroon ng happy ending. Na tayong mga naysayers dito, kontrabida, hipokrito, di sila naiintindihan yada yada yada. Pag sumabit na sila ng tulad sa kwentong natunghayan natin ngayon saka sila iiyakiyak.

 

Denial is the most convenient defense mechanism for these guys. And because they are in so much denial lahat ng katwiran kahit baluktot gagamtin nila.

 

1. Babae din naman sila may karapatang mahalin

2. Wala kasi silang choice eh

3. Dito ko natagpuan ang kaligayahang di ko nahanap sa iba

4. Mas matino pa sila kesa sa ibang normal na babae kasi kuwan, kasi ganito kasi ganyan

 

As if these enumerated excuses aren't pathetic enough, they come to these threads begging and fighting for that precious validation.

 

Anyway, itong kwentong nakita natin sa taas naway maging aral at warning na din sa mga hindi gagamitin ang utak at sasabihing "It takes someone to understand from the heat" na pinaka estupidong kalechehan na narinig ko. Yes I am saying it

 

anyone who uses their heart to understand is stupid stupid stuuuuuuuuuupid as hell! Because you only feel with your heart but understand with your brain. Duh!

pre bakit ang init ng ulo mo??? chill lang...parati ka nalang galit =) kalma lang...parang too much hatred na raramdaman mo pre..may pinag dadaanan ka ba ulet pre??.wag ka naman maging hater...every time na may post ka, it seems wala ng ginawang tama un mga taong involved..pinasok nila yan, I'm sure may reason kung bakit nila ginawa un...respect mo nalang pre, sabe mo nga nagiging antagonistic na un dating mo, yeah, sad but true may bahid ng katotohanan ung mga sinasabe mo, pero at the end of the day, hindi naman ikaw un ma stress sa pinasok ng iba, don't add stress to your life para kasing ginawa mo ng crusade na pigilan un karamihan d2 na pasukin un ganun klase ng set up...medyo harsh ka na kasi mag salita =)...mapapag usapan yan =)

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