biker620 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 kung sa pinas regular oil lang (mura kasi labor cost) every 5k km. pag sa states or europe synthetic (mahal kasi labor cost) Quote Link to comment
kidneythief Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 ultron race fully synthetic oil.... the best Quote Link to comment
neo_diet Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 for me regular oil with more frequent internals, studies show that oil even if synthetic disintigrates and get contaminated with carbon, metals, etc which causes abrasions, cloggings in the engine itself, so if u use synthetic but u change oil once a year then you are actually doing more harm than good to your car, its better if you do the regualar maintenance schedule every 5000 kms or every 4months, then tune up every other change oil. even car manufacturers themselves does not encourage synthetic oils with lesser intervals, nor the use of additives. Quote Link to comment
FirefoxZilla Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Fully synthetic oil Quote Link to comment
jamesccc Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 you can use mineral oil, unless synthetic ang nakalagay sa car manual mo. as long as you change it every 5,000km ,you won't have problems.  re: sa hatak/additional power you get when you use different oils, mejo malayo po yata yun engine oil with performance. lubricant lang ang engine oil, hinde madadagdagan torque mo pag high-end oil mo. ang difference ng synthetic na oil sa mineral eh mas matagal ang palitan (10k yung iba, may mga rated nga 100k pa eh). BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER: wag ka mag shift from synthetic to mineral to synthetic. masisira gaskets mo. stick to one lang. Quote Link to comment
hitman531ph Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 I use Top 1 Synthetic. It also has Molybdenum that helps protect the engine Quote Link to comment
Chickquero Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Found this message from another forum debating about mineral & synthethic oil.  Reader Feedback  Austin ,  I read with interest your reader's remarks and your reply and you  have both missed some important concepts, to wit:  1) Regular oil is poly-unsaturated, that is, it combines with other engine chemicals resulting from the combustion of gas and with atmospheric elements to produce a new compound which, eventually, if left in the engine long enough for the detergent additives to dissipate, will coat the engine with sludge.  Synthetic oil is saturated, will not combine with other available compounds and, unless contaminated, essentially lasts forever. Thus, the user of regular oil should change his oil before the modification of his oil through chemical reaction produces a new compound that lubricates poorly and the filter becomes clogged with the newly compounded sludge. My personal experience suggests 3500 miles as a point when significant alteration of the oil should be considered.  2) If synthetic oil is used, the oil's properties (viscosity, pouring temperatures, etc.) are determined by the actual molecular structure of the oil not by the addition of viscosity modifiers.  The main problem then becomes suspended dirt, thus synthetic oil requires changing to eliminate the slowly accumulating liquid sandpaper that will eventually damage an engine. Essentially, synthetic oil, again, would last, effectively, forever if it were not for the problem of particulate contamination.  3) Common filters might filter down to 4 microns, a size that is close to the bearing gap size in modern engines. As it becomes clogged with larger particles the filter begins to 'load up', decreasing its passage size and actually increasing its filtering quality until the filter throughput decreases and begins to starve the engine whereupon, hopefully (and unfortunately), the filter bypass activates and lets dirty oil pass through unfiltered.  Again, leaving the filter in the car for 15,000 miles as per some current car specifications is asking for trouble, especially in environments with high particulate density (smoggy cities, dusty plains, areas prone to tornados or high water levels....). 7,500 miles is a max for the filter and certainly for standard oil.  4) Extended oil changes can be effected if: The oil chosen does not break down during the period of usage - spec: Synthetic Oil  The filter in use will not 'load up' over the period of use and is capable of filtering down to a particle size smaller than the bearing gaps of modern engines. Only the Amsoil bypass oil filter with its 1 micron filtering capability or similar quality unit would be adequate for this specification, however, it is not available for all cars and requires a bypass installation. Solution: Use synthetic oil. Change it at 7,500 miles and change the filter halfway between changes.  Personally, my BMW specifies 15,000 mile oil changes and BMW insists on the use of synthetic oil in their products. If they could guarantee that the filter would remove all particles larger than the bearing gaps for that period I might comply.  As this cannot be guaranteed, I change my synthetic oil at 5000 miles to decrease the potential wear caused by suspended dirt, not because the oil wears out. What maintenance is done on a car during its lifetime will greatly determine the length of that lifetime. The gentleman who claimed he used standard oil for 100,000 miles in his truck probably halved the life of the truck's engine.  Car manufacturers can specify longer oil changes as the original owners will, statistically, sell the car long before the abused engine begins to falter and won't complain. Modern engines are built with significantly greater precision, closer bearing tolerances and better materials than ever.  Please note that, obviously, I'm a proponent of the use of synthetic oil, but only because of the superiority of protection and product longevity. The man who chose synthetic oil for this truck and left it in for 100,000 miles chose the right product but left it in his truck only considering the premise that it would not break down.  He was correct, but did not consider the consequences of particulate contamination verses the ability of the oil filter's capability to control the level of that contamination. Eventually, his oil would have a high level of destructive particles that were not contained by his filter. Hmmm...I wonder if he even changed his filter? Maybe he did change it regularly; maybe he actually was using a supplemental filter system... If he had used a bypass filter with a 1 micron filter then, probably, his 100,000 oil would still by 'happy' today.  Synthetic oil companies are not going to tell their customers that the main problem with the use of their product is contamination. Their advertisements that the oil is good for 25,000 miles leaves out other factors that govern change intervals. It should be, "Our product is good for 25,000 miles providing the user can figure out a way to control particulate contamination that will occur over this 25,000 miles better than that offered by the mediocre capabilities of the majority of engine oil filters".  Perhaps, 7.500 miles would be a more honest claim as they could match the cost of regular oil with 3,500 mile changes, yet offer greater engine protection and longevity.  Obvious #2 - I have very little respect for those companies that train consumers in faux facts.  Statement: "Modern engines built better and thus can tolerate longer oil change intervals."  Reality: Modern engines have much more accurate and smaller bearing gaps and, thus, it is even more important to maintain clean oil to preserve these fine tolerances. Modern engines produce more power per liter and, thus, more stress on those bearing and heat to be dissipated by the oil going through those bearings. The oil is responsible for about 30% of the heat dissipation and needs to have superior resistance to breakdown caused by stress and heat. Allowing regular oil to remain in the engine through greatly extended change intervals under increased stress conditions only increases the potential for engine damage as the oil degrades, loses viscosity rating and its ability to perform under that heat and stress. Of course, as the engines are, indeed, better build, it takes longer for them to exhibit bearing or cylinder wear from poorly maintained oil, long enough for the initial buyer to have sold the car to the next hapless user.  Statement (from a Honda dealer): "Synthetic oil causes damage in our  cars and we don't recommend it."  Reality: Users who use synthetic oil think, as a result of oil company propaganda, that the car does not have to have its oil changed as often and simply ignore the 3-5,000 mile oil change recommendation, coming in to Honda at 15,000 mile intervals for their warranty checkups (and an oil change). This costs the dealer money as no service charges to the owner are rendered over that period.  The dealers are not, in addition, in a position to find other warranty problems at a point when their repair cost might be less. This is a legitimate complaint, but the solution is not to recommend an oil that requires frequent changes to get the customers into their shops, rather to educate the owners to bring their cars in for service when problems are suspected or offer warranty checkups at shorter intervals.  Keep up the good work on your interesting site.  Regards,  Larry Quote Link to comment
id6230 Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 For obvious reasons, Synthetic oil is superior and of course more expensive. Driving conditions in Metro Manila is ideal for synthetic oil. Quote Link to comment
S14 Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 yup go for synthetic hindi naman siya lately na ganun ka mahal for the protection you can give for your engine. MOtul change oil sa fusion r kasama 4 litre oil/filter n labour nasa P2000 lang lahat na Quote Link to comment
edc Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 Pag Synthetic mas maganda talaga kahit 5thou km palit na.........sige 7500 na maximum. Yung 10thou km eh masyado na matagal yun Quote Link to comment
marvin_8 Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 The best talaga pag Fully Synthetic :thumbsupsmiley: Quote Link to comment
abcdabcdph Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Fully Synthetic po. Quote Link to comment
mlpf Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 I use fully synthetic oil for my vios. Quote Link to comment
doh Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 mobil fully synthetic oil din. Quote Link to comment
mp_nyaker Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 motul fully synth gamit ko Quote Link to comment
stockboy Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 motul full synth user here Quote Link to comment
miked Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 tried motul htec 10w40 100% synthetic before. ganda ng takbo kaso lumala yung engine oil leak. after the replacing oil seals shel helix 20w50 muna. less than 5000kms pa lang ang dumi na. now nagpachange oil ako ng ultron 20w50 ulit before i switch back sa motul htec. Quote Link to comment
KCboy Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 fully synthetic 5w50 or 5w40 for my diesel 2.5 pajero. i cant go back to mineral oils because ive been using fully synthetic for the past 5 years, magkakaoil leak if i shift back. Quote Link to comment
tranzen Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 synthetic oils but it depends on the brand. some would leave unwanted engine deposit that needs to be cleaned out by an overhaul. any particular brands you guys want to suggest? thanks. Quote Link to comment
marvin_8 Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 Fully Synthetic .. Da best ! Quote Link to comment
icymyk Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 semi synth lang for everyday travelling lang Quote Link to comment
Mickey888 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Fully Synthetic. Oh! And yeah, Motul. Quote Link to comment
miked Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 synthetic oils but it depends on the brand. some would leave unwanted engine deposit that needs to be cleaned out by an overhaul. any particular brands you guys want to suggest? thanks. i would suggest you try Motul's Engine Clean. Its an engine flush that removes sludge and other unwanted contaminants in the engine. Then fill up with Motul Htec 10w40. Its 100% synthetic. Quote Link to comment
BigBear Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 it depends din ata sa car mo...kung mahal at malufet ang ride mo...ofcourse SYNTHETIC !pero kung pang everyday driving lang...edi regular oils lang po...pero hanggang 5K lang po un....go for distance ang SYNTHETIC ! dbest un ! :thumbsupsmiley: Quote Link to comment
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