Kyrie won that game for the Cavs. It was tied and when he made that one against Curry, it gave the Cavs a cushion. No Kyrie, no championship. If he had the ball during that play? Why didn't he ask for it? Clearly, he implicitly agreed to an isolation play for Kyrie. He's the man for the Cavs, right? Why didn't he ask for it when the Cavs needed him to shoot it? Kyrie won it for Cleveland.
No Kyrie, no championship? How far did Kyrie carry the Cavs before LeBron came back? Not very far, actually. The Warriors ran a man-to-man defense on that play because they know LeBron is a threat in clutch. Kyrie did some choking himself in game 6 when he disappeared in the dying moments, game 7 will only be a fantasy had LeBron not put the Cavs on his shoulders.
What? Kareem played until Game 5 until he got injured in that game. What are you talking about? Johnson had an excellent Game 6. I will give him that but one brilliant game is not the series. You are talking about a freaking game. Kareem was at the twilight of his career? Kareem won the Finals MVP in the 1985 Finals. What are you talking about? He was also an NBA First Teamer in 1980, 1981, 1984 and 1986. A guy in the twilight of his career would not be in the All-NBA First Team. He could not win a title until Magic came along? Really? What about the 1971 NBA championship won by the Bucks when he was still Lew Alcindor? Magic is greater than Bird because of championships? Haha! So that makes Robert Horry greater than Magic and Kareem because he had 7 championships. Again, Larry never had a 5-time MVP already in his team when he came on board. Magic was not the man for the Lakers in 1980. He had one brilliant Game 6. I will give him that but Kareem carried the Lakers to the Finals. Magic was a willing sidekick. I am stating hard facts here. Let's not make general statements like Magic was the overall leader of the Lakers in 1980. I am not making Magic look bad. If stating facts makes Magic look bad, well, it is what it is.
Larry is greater than Magic because he never had a 5-time MVP already in his team when he came along, yet, he took a 29-53 team a year earlier to the ECF with him being the only addition. Magic was not the man for the Lakers until 1987. He shared the spotlight with Kareem in LA with Kareem leading the charge from 1979 until 1986. Larry had always been the man in Boston until he retired.
Magic won Finals MVP of that series, you can't win Finals MVP with just 1 good game.
and yes, Kareem's career was on its long but fruitful end when Magic came along. I am talking about Kareem and not Lew Alcindor. Throughout his stint with the Lakers, he was battling injuries that, at that time, were hard to treat. He was actually quite lucky the Lakers landed Magic. Throughout the 80's he was surrounded by talents who can take him to championships. Those extra trophies won with the Lakers are just beautiful, no doubt, but he would not have won those had Magic not been there to facilitate for Kareem and the Lakers.
If Horry is greater than Magic because he had 7 then I will take it, 3 of those he got with the Lakers anyway and he looks like a pretty likeable guy.... aaaand that makes him greater than Larry Bird and Magic is still greater than Bird.
So what if Bird did not play with a multiple-time MVP, sounds like an excuse for not winning as much championships as he should have. It's not Magic's fault he landed in a team with Kareem on it.
Edited by startoffbeat, 17 September 2018 - 04:24 PM.