FleurDeLune Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 May bago pa ba? Kung meron man, anu-ano ang mga yun?Halina, mag talakayan tayo dito (ng matino at mahinahon). http://pro12.com.ph/main/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/44232901_185103009062570_66147736218501120_o-1024x725.jpg Quote Link to comment
will robie Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 FDL, Just a suggestion. I think the "Philippine Senate Election" thread and this thread should be merged. Quote Link to comment
FleurDeLune Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 ^ This coming election is not only for national but local. Did you get the gist? So just give your opinion about what's going on nowadays. Or better yet, give an update about the violence that had been happening nowadays (election related). Start from Mindanao, then Visayas and Luzon. Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Choosing good local officials in MIndanao na sakop ng BOL is crucial for me assuming na mananalo ito sa plebesito. Quote Link to comment
simplyeric Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 My take on this:-There are three factions that are running (2 have been at it for the past 3 decades or more and the 3rd came out because of Du30) - personally I will try to steer away from the first two since they have been in office for but nothing was changed. In fact the big problems were hidden from public. -the 3rd faction I fear might become like the first 2 though because power is still addictive. So what will I do? Still vote for the 3rd. I will take my chance with something new instead of voting the same people and expect new things. Putting fears in people who have no fear is an improvement for me. Whip instead of carrot for now. Time to face the reality that the OK past was created to hide the rotten truth. Quote Link to comment
darksoulriver Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 i will take my chances to vote new faces sa national yung local cguro iblanko ko na lng wala tlagang mapili. Quote Link to comment
will robie Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 ^ This coming election is not only for national but local. Did you get the gist? So just give your opinion about what's going on nowadays. Or better yet, give an update about the violence that had been happening nowadays (election related). Start from Mindanao, then Visayas and Luzon. Yes, I get the gist. My opinion is that Smartmatic should be junked. Quote Link to comment
simplyeric Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Sa electronic election, my opinion, the supplier might not be perfect, but the direction of electronic election should still be there. The integrity and fail safe feature it provides is far better than manual counting. Will there be errors? Yes! 1 for every 100,000 is a posibility. Buy compare that to manual method where in a simple power outage can change the discrepancy to 1,000+/-. Teachers and facilitator's safety. What else can the bad people do if the count was already sent live to 3 servers? If that fails, then send in the SD card with hash protection. If it still fails? Manual count. But that is a last resort and if the variance between candidates are less than 5,000. Candidate who hate election modernization only hate them because it is difficult to tamper. So they discredit it at the beginning. 1 Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) Would you vote for Atty.Gadon as a senator?.. Why?.. Ako.. Hindi ko iboboto yan. Sobrang sipsip at higop sa administrasyon. Nakakairita.Isama mo na si imee at chong...iisa ang bituka ng mga yan Edited January 23, 2019 by rooster69ph Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Would you vote for Atty.Gadon as a senator?.. Why?.. Ako.. Hindi ko iboboto yan. Sobrang sipsip at higop sa administrasyon. Nakakairita. Nope and I'm not worried that he will win anyways, Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Nope and I'm not worried that he will win anyways,Buti naman...ayon nga kay Gadon mismo ayaw na ng botante sa BOBO Mga BOBOTANTE na lang ang may gusto at boboto sa mga BOBO Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) Isko Moreno has better vision of the future of Manila than the two old goats Erap and Alfredo Lim. Edited January 23, 2019 by camiar Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I also agree with Isko Moreno being a better suited mayor in Manila. 1 Quote Link to comment
skycentral68 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 wala na pagbabago yan unless magkaron ng electoral reform. sana meron independent body that will make an honest to goodness evaluation of a candidate before the prospective candidate will file for a govt position. once qualified then the independent body will circulate the qualifications, achievements, and platform of the candidate. this way, malalaman ng voting public kung na yung candidate e ndi involved or implicated in a corruption issue in the past, ndi member ng isa or numerous political family, has a sound and feasible platform of what he or she can do in the govt position for the interest of many, etc. at present, i would say na mas intelligent na ang voting public pero marami pa rin na ndi totally knowledgeable about sa candidate kaya na nagre rely na lang kung sinu ang pinaka maingay or me monetary favors just to exercise this right to suffrage. Quote Link to comment
kowalski Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 May bago pa ba? Kung meron man, anu-ano ang mga yun?Halina, mag talakayan tayo dito (ng matino at mahinahon). http://pro12.com.ph/main/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/44232901_185103009062570_66147736218501120_o-1024x725.jpgsa ngayon ay tingin ko wala pa nababago.yung mga luma nanggagamit. yung mga bago nanggagamit din.ang mahalaga lang sa kanila lahat ay ang manalo Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 wala na pagbabago yan unless magkaron ng electoral reform. sana meron independent body that will make an honest to goodness evaluation of a candidate before the prospective candidate will file for a govt position. once qualified then the independent body will circulate the qualifications, achievements, and platform of the candidate. this way, malalaman ng voting public kung na yung candidate e ndi involved or implicated in a corruption issue in the past, ndi member ng isa or numerous political family, has a sound and feasible platform of what he or she can do in the govt position for the interest of many, etc. at present, i would say na mas intelligent na ang voting public pero marami pa rin na ndi totally knowledgeable about sa candidate kaya na nagre rely na lang kung sinu ang pinaka maingay or me monetary favors just to exercise this right to suffrage.What you wish for will never happen, unless you want an authoritarian government like in mainland China. In their system, the "candidates" are vetted by the Communist Party before they can "run" for public office. Now they have a system as corrupt as the Imperial monarchy and the Nationalist government that they replaced. Our current democratic system is good enough if we just give it a chance. Educating the voters on how to choose the right candidate is one way to improve the system. This forum is part of that education process. Quote Link to comment
skycentral68 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 What you wish for will never happen, unless you want an authoritarian government like in mainland China. In their system, the "candidates" are vetted by the Communist Party before they can "run" for public office. Now they have a system as corrupt as the Imperial monarchy and the Nationalist government that they replaced. Our current democratic system is good enough if we just give it a chance. Educating the voters on how to choose the right candidate is one way to improve the system. This forum is part of that education process. i guess you’re right. but then there must be something good and better done in China right now and they are following communism. Singapore has that evaluation system and they are democratic not communist and yet they’re better than us. since my childhood in the ‘60s, my elderlies have been bickering about politics and how it should have been. its 2019 now and all my elderlies are have departed and still the voting public doesnt know how to select the proper person to be in that position. this is the reason why the need for an electoral reform that is merited over the amendment of the constitution but not change in constitution. yes education is good but what is the correct way of educating our voting public? what i intend to say is that the independent body will pre-qualify or filter the candidates to just a few and getting rid of all those corruption-contaminated and traditional politicians. so from the few pre-qualified candidates, whoever is chosen by the voting public, at least we can sleep better at walang tulak kabigin maski sinu man sa kanila mapili. Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) i guess you’re right. but then there must be something good and better done in China right now and they are following communism. Singapore has that evaluation system and they are democratic not communist and yet they’re better than us. since my childhood in the ‘60s, my elderlies have been bickering about politics and how it should have been. its 2019 now and all my elderlies are have departed and still the voting public doesnt know how to select the proper person to be in that position. this is the reason why the need for an electoral reform that is merited over the amendment of the constitution but not change in constitution. yes education is good but what is the correct way of educating our voting public? what i intend to say is that the independent body will pre-qualify or filter the candidates to just a few and getting rid of all those corruption-contaminated and traditional politicians. so from the few pre-qualified candidates, whoever is chosen by the voting public, at least we can sleep better at walang tulak kabigin maski sinu man sa kanila mapili.In Singapore the government party (People's Action Party) evaluates the integrity of their own candidates, but the opposition parties are not mandated to do the same (though they may follow similar selection process). The Singaporeans have a choice to trust PAP's chosen candidates or vote for the opposition. That's the huge difference between Singapore and China. China has one single party -- no alternative choice. It is not a democracy if the candidates are vetted by anybody other than the voters who can choose freely. An "independent body" can never be trusted to be independent. Edited January 24, 2019 by camiar Quote Link to comment
skycentral68 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 In Singapore the government party (People's Action Party) evaluates the integrity of their own candidates, but the opposition parties are not mandated to do the same (though they may follow similar selection process). The Singaporeans have a choice to trust PAP's chosen candidates or vote for the opposition. That's the huge difference between Singapore and China. China has one single party -- no alternative choice. It is not a democracy if the candidates are vetted by anybody other than the voters who can choose freely. An "independent body" can never be trusted to be independent.yes i know what sgp and china has. if an independent can never be trusted to be independent, then how? who can the people trust? point of this discussion is kung me pag asa pa ba. my opinion is wala na, unless, there will be an electoral reform. that’s my opinion. Quote Link to comment
will robie Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) I am not sold on Iskho Moreno. I heard unsavory things about him. Edited January 25, 2019 by will robie 1 Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) yes i know what sgp and china has. if an independent can never be trusted to be independent, then how? who can the people trust? point of this discussion is kung me pag asa pa ba. my opinion is wala na, unless, there will be an electoral reform. that’s my opinion.If everybody needs an "independent body" to tell them who to vote for, what's the point of free elections? Why would you need somebody else to tell you who to choose? Can you not tell who to trust? Even by gut-feel? We are all empowered now by the internet to search for truth, are we not? Vote for whoever you want. As long as it is your free choice, we're all be OK. But if you think that without the endorsement of an "independent body", voters are not to be trusted with their choices, then you're not ready for democracy. You may be better off in a monarchial, feudal, dictatorial, or any authoritarian system where (presumably benevolent) leaders will just provide whatever they think is good for the people.. Edited January 25, 2019 by camiar Quote Link to comment
will robie Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) Like what bro?... Related ba sa politics?It is related to what trapos do. One more thing I don't like Moreno or Domagoso is that he has no loyalty. He used to be an ally of Lim. When Erap came along, he jumped on the Erap bandwagon. Edited January 25, 2019 by will robie Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 It is related to what trapos do. One more thing I don't like Moreno or Domagoso is that he has no loyalty. He used to be an ally of Lim. When Erap came along, he jumped on the Erap bandwagon. Many young political leaders start under the wings of established politicians. They then grow their influence and later are able to challenge even the incumbent. Some established politicians see that as disloyalty. I see it as a natural progression of political power. Quote Link to comment
will robie Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Many young political leaders start under the wings of established politicians. They then grow their influence and later are able to challenge even the incumbent. Some established politicians see that as disloyalty. I see it as a natural progression of political power.He could have done that under Lim instead of Erap. He was already vice mayor under Lim. Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) He could have done that under Lim instead of Erap. He was already vice mayor under Lim. I think Isko realized that Lim has no intention of retiring. And Lim was actually mismanaging the city -- that would be bad for Isko's future to be further associated with Lim. Lim left the City Hall bankrupt and with no vision for urban renewal. Erap inherited the result of Lim's financial mismanagement and lack of vision. He can barely cope with the deterioration caused by his predecessor and yet is now too frail to run the day-to-day management of the city. It's time to turn the city over to a younger, more energetic leader. So far, Isko is the only one who steps up to the plate. He's the only logical choice for Manila citizens. Edited January 25, 2019 by camiar 1 Quote Link to comment
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