Supplements - to Take or Not to Take?

[cashflow]

hhhhhmmmmm......

baka you need more protein and less carbo man.....

baka kaya hindi ka maging ripped kasi sa eating habbits din....

try mo bawasan yung carbo and add a little more cardio on your workout

or intensify mo yung workout mo, high reps :thumbsupsmiley:

 

hydroxycut will help pero tingin ko nasa food padin yun

 

hi mr. humpster! im actually on a high protein diet! i eat kenny rogers roasted chicken breast on mwf because i workout on those days! and for tths! i eat dumplings and siomai because i dont workout on those days kya i eat less and syempre may veggies din! is my diet ok? i guess there is something wrong with my program din! i workout on mwf! every monday i do chest bicep abs n cardio! on wed nman i do back triceps abs n cardio tpus sa friday i do shoulders legs abs! what do you think sir?

[mr. john]

meron ba dito nakakaalam ng murang nitric oxide mahal kase ung no xplode sa akin eh, btw meron na ba dito na gumamit ng nitric oxide at may results ba? may nababasa kase ako sa net na no scientific back up no pero marame ren ako nababasang positive feed back?

 

d m kelangan ng nitric oxide.. placebo effects lng un..

[Humpster!!!!]

hi mr. humpster! im actually on a high protein diet! i eat kenny rogers roasted chicken breast on mwf because i workout on those days! and for tths! i eat dumplings and siomai because i dont workout on those days kya i eat less and syempre may veggies din! is my diet ok? i guess there is something wrong with my program din! i workout on mwf! every monday i do chest bicep abs n cardio! on wed nman i do back triceps abs n cardio tpus sa friday i do shoulders legs abs! what do you think sir?

 

sakin lang to bro ha......

i think kulang yung workout days mo.....

anu kinakain mo ng saturdays and sundays?

hindi ko din alam kung ok yung siomai and dumplings..... parang fatty food ata yan bro......

im not that good when it comes to advising what to eat, but i think you should stick to

roasted chicken(wag mo nadin kainin yung balat)

tuna and beef, brocoli naman para sa gulay and fruits

 

kasi ako i workout atleast 5 times a week, monday to friday then sat and sun ang pahinga :thumbsupsmiley:

 

teka, ilang beses ka ba kumain sa isang araw?

[Jacques]

hi mr. humpster! im actually on a high protein diet! i eat kenny rogers roasted chicken breast on mwf because i workout on those days! and for tths! i eat dumplings and siomai because i dont workout on those days kya i eat less and syempre may veggies din! is my diet ok? i guess there is something wrong with my program din! i workout on mwf! every monday i do chest bicep abs n cardio! on wed nman i do back triceps abs n cardio tpus sa friday i do shoulders legs abs! what do you think sir?

 

When you're on a high protein diet, the extra protein ingestions must not only be limited to the days you train. Consistency is the key. In my opinion protein consumption must be fairly the same when you train or not (except maybe for the times you'd actually maybe ingesting more due to pre-post workout drinks or etc.). Thus, wether you're consuming 3,4,5 or 6 meals a day, quality protein foods must be present every meals. Protein, unlike, carbs & fats are not efficiently stored in the body. Thus, it's not also wise to stuff all your protein in one sitting. Please remember that your body grows outside of the gym and inorder for that to happen, it will need all the support it will need from constant and consistent supply of protein.

[Jacques]

meron ba dito nakakaalam ng murang nitric oxide mahal kase ung no xplode sa akin eh, btw meron na ba dito na gumamit ng nitric oxide at may results ba? may nababasa kase ako sa net na no scientific back up no pero marame ren ako nababasang positive feed back?

 

I've tried and experimented with several NO based products and here's my take on it. Honestly, I'd spend in first, a quality protein supplement and 2nd, if my budget permits, a creatine based supplement. The concept behind NO supplements is that it induces vasodilation within the blood vessels. In theory, the "widening" of the blood vessels will promote more bloodflow to the muscles being worked. Thus, the supplement claims that it'll promote a better "pump". Moreover, some theorized that with the increase in bloodflow, the muscles would absorb nutrients in a much efficient rate.

 

Sounds good for a supplement right? However, unlike creatine that has been backed up by so many studies and has been proven to actually work on more or less 60% of people who take it, there's no way to actually measure the effectiveness of the NO supplement. Some would even argue on how and what "gains" to that should by quantified in order to guage the difference NO supplement has.

 

In my experience, yes, I would agree that NO supplements actually gives you a better "pump." However, I wasn't able to actually establish a rational that this pump was indeed promoting more gains for me. Psychologically, it feels great to have pumped and tight muscles. After all, that's what gym goers are mostly looking for right? But in terms of actual benefits, I really doubt it promotes strength and muscle gain. Needless to say, NO supplements have given me some nasty headaches since bear in mind that the dilations of blood vessels are not limited to the worked muscle groups.

 

But if you have extra cash, go for it. It it makes you "feel" better, then go ahead. For me, No supplements, are a luxary but not essential for your fitness regimen. Stick with the basics. Good food, consistent training and quality rest. If you must supplement, go for whey and creatine if you want to jack up strength gains. Just my 2 cents.

 

Happy lifting.

Edited October 30, 2007 by Jacques

[cashflow]

sakin lang to bro ha......

i think kulang yung workout days mo.....

anu kinakain mo ng saturdays and sundays?

hindi ko din alam kung ok yung siomai and dumplings..... parang fatty food ata yan bro......

im not that good when it comes to advising what to eat, but i think you should stick to

roasted chicken(wag mo nadin kainin yung balat)

tuna and beef, brocoli naman para sa gulay and fruits

 

kasi ako i workout atleast 5 times a week, monday to friday then sat and sun ang pahinga :thumbsupsmiley:

 

teka, ilang beses ka ba kumain sa isang araw?

 

thanks for the advice bro! i just wish i have the time to workout 5 times a week! bka nga kulang workout ko... un sat usually light food lng e, during sunday naman i eat anything! its like free 4 all day ko hehe! yeah maybe ill just stick with the roasted chicken! mdyo masakit lng tlga sa bulsa haha! i eat 5x a day! composed of 2 heavy meal and 3 light snacks! snacks ko banana lng n skim milk e! bro un workout ko kc is split program! effective ba un kung gs2 ko maging ripped? thanks

[cashflow]

When you're on a high protein diet, the extra protein ingestions must not only be limited to the days you train. Consistency is the key. In my opinion protein consumption must be fairly the same when you train or not (except maybe for the times you'd actually maybe ingesting more due to pre-post workout drinks or etc.). Thus, wether you're consuming 3,4,5 or 6 meals a day, quality protein foods must be present every meals. Protein, unlike, carbs & fats are not efficiently stored in the body. Thus, it's not also wise to stuff all your protein in one sitting. Please remember that your body grows outside of the gym and inorder for that to happen, it will need all the support it will need from constant and consistent supply of protein.

 

thanks for the info sir! this will be very useful for me! anyway can you help me out? im thinking of buying hydroxycut hardcore because im having a hard time to get ripped. do you think i should gamble on supplements? or i should just change my diet and workout? my goal is to have 6 pack abs! i just want to have a body like marc nelson or lil bit bigger than him. basta more like a model's body hehe! my diet is basically more on protein. ill have kenny roger's roast chicken breast and a lil bit of vegies for lunch and dinner on mwf because i workout! and on tths i eat siomai and dumplings for lunch and diner and a lil bit of vegies nadn! and for my snack ill have oatmeal, banana and sometimes homemade natural smoothies! my program is:

 

monday

chest- bench press, inclined dumbell press, declind bench press, flies and pullover

biceps- i use the olympic bar and do negatives and then drop set on a inclined bench using dumbells, hammer and the 21 on ez bar.

abs-composed of 6 exercises. 3 for upper n 3 for lower abs.

cardio- 15 mins run with speed of 9 sa threadmill.

 

wednesday

back- barracks, lats pull, deadlift and some machine for the back

triceps- dips, ezbar pullover, cable using the rope and some more machine for triceps

abs- same

cardio- same

 

friday

shoulder- military press using the olympic bar, arnold press, flies and sometimes clean n jerk!

legs- squats using the cage, kneel in one leg with dumbels, leg curl n leg press

abs- same

cardio- none

 

my exercises are basically in 3 sets and in 12 10 8 reps with pump! except for the triceps n biceps i do drop sets!

sorry for the terms! im not really familiar with all the names of the workout i do! thanks

[mike168]

I've tried and experimented with several NO based products and here's my take on it. Honestly, I'd spend in first, a quality protein supplement and 2nd, if my budget permits, a creatine based supplement. The concept behind NO supplements is that it induces vasodilation within the blood vessels. In theory, the "widening" of the blood vessels will promote more bloodflow to the muscles being worked. Thus, the supplement claims that it'll promote a better "pump". Moreover, some theorized that with the increase in bloodflow, the muscles would absorb nutrients in a much efficient rate.

 

Sounds good for a supplement right? However, unlike creatine that has been backed up by so many studies and has been proven to actually work on more or less 60% of people who take it, there's no way to actually measure the effectiveness of the NO supplement. Some would even argue on how and what "gains" to that should by quantified in order to guage the difference NO supplement has.

 

In my experience, yes, I would agree that NO supplements actually gives you a better "pump." However, I wasn't able to actually establish a rational that this pump was indeed promoting more gains for me. Psychologically, it feels great to have pumped and tight muscles. After all, that's what gym goers are mostly looking for right? But in terms of actual benefits, I really doubt it promotes strength and muscle gain. Needless to say, NO supplements have given me some nasty headaches since bear in mind that the dilations of blood vessels are not limited to the worked muscle groups.

 

But if you have extra cash, go for it. It it makes you "feel" better, then go ahead. For me, No supplements, are a luxary but not essential for your fitness regimen. Stick with the basics. Good food, consistent training and quality rest. If you must supplement, go for whey and creatine if you want to jack up strength gains. Just my 2 cents.

 

Happy lifting.

 

i see thnx for the very informative post, btw do you know of any brand that is cheaper than no xplode? and whats the best creatine brand that you could reccomend? thnx!

[bombamoran]

ok ba yong muscle tech? cell tech?

[massmonster]

ok ba yong muscle tech? cell tech?

 

With all honesty, I find MuscleTech supplements too hyped up/exaggerated. The products are also ridiculously expensive (maybe because of the marketing) and I don't think they're worth the price. Peace.

[Jacques]

thanks for the info sir! this will be very useful for me! anyway can you help me out? im thinking of buying hydroxycut hardcore because im having a hard time to get ripped. do you think i should gamble on supplements? or i should just change my diet and workout? my goal is to have 6 pack abs! i just want to have a body like marc nelson or lil bit bigger than him. basta more like a model's body hehe! my diet is basically more on protein. ill have kenny roger's roast chicken breast and a lil bit of vegies for lunch and dinner on mwf because i workout! and on tths i eat siomai and dumplings for lunch and diner and a lil bit of vegies nadn! and for my snack ill have oatmeal, banana and sometimes homemade natural smoothies! my program is:

 

monday

chest- bench press, inclined dumbell press, declind bench press, flies and pullover

biceps- i use the olympic bar and do negatives and then drop set on a inclined bench using dumbells, hammer and the 21 on ez bar.

abs-composed of 6 exercises. 3 for upper n 3 for lower abs.

cardio- 15 mins run with speed of 9 sa threadmill.

 

wednesday

back- barracks, lats pull, deadlift and some machine for the back

triceps- dips, ezbar pullover, cable using the rope and some more machine for triceps

abs- same

cardio- same

 

friday

shoulder- military press using the olympic bar, arnold press, flies and sometimes clean n jerk!

legs- squats using the cage, kneel in one leg with dumbels, leg curl n leg press

abs- same

cardio- none

 

my exercises are basically in 3 sets and in 12 10 8 reps with pump! except for the triceps n biceps i do drop sets!

sorry for the terms! im not really familiar with all the names of the workout i do! thanks

Getting ripped will require a lot of sacrifices, risks and dicipline. Before you consider adding "Hydroxycut" or any other fat loss/metabolism support supplement in your regimen, make sure you have a well planed diet schedule. I strongly suggest you consider spacing out your meals into 5-6 portions daily rather than the usual breakfast, lunch and dinner. Try switching to hi fibre foods for you carbohydrate requirements. As for your Kenny Rogers meals, it can be very expensive. You might want to do some grocery and load on some eggs, tuna or other good protein alternatives. Now after tweaking your diet, observe your progress for a week or two. When you are already adjusting well to your diet, then that for me is the best time to bring in Hydroxycut for support.

[cashflow]

Getting ripped will require a lot of sacrifices, risks and dicipline. Before you consider adding "Hydroxycut" or any other fat loss/metabolism support supplement in your regimen, make sure you have a well planed diet schedule. I strongly suggest you consider spacing out your meals into 5-6 portions daily rather than the usual breakfast, lunch and dinner. Try switching to hi fibre foods for you carbohydrate requirements. As for your Kenny Rogers meals, it can be very expensive. You might want to do some grocery and load on some eggs, tuna or other good protein alternatives. Now after tweaking your diet, observe your progress for a week or two. When you are already adjusting well to your diet, then that for me is the best time to bring in Hydroxycut for support.

 

thanks sir jacques! ill try to have 6 meals a day! hirap pla tlaga paganda ng katawan nh! hehe its a lifestlye nga! ill kip u updated pg nkaadjust na ako! thanks to your advice!

[Sharbait]

mga masters,

 

q? lang

currently im taking GNC weight gainer

then during my work out day, i take pro whey

 

then im planing to add to take creatine before my work out

is this a suggested combination,

 

last q?

in the middle of my chest program

last week i was having a bench flies, and when suddenly i felt that my right arm-was numb

yun tipong di mo na maramdaman, so i cannot carry the dumbells i was using, so i stopped

 

what happen there ? can the masters explain

[Jacques]

mga masters,

 

q? lang

currently im taking GNC weight gainer

then during my work out day, i take pro whey

 

then im planing to add to take creatine before my work out

is this a suggested combination,

 

last q?

in the middle of my chest program

last week i was having a bench flies, and when suddenly i felt that my right arm-was numb

yun tipong di mo na maramdaman, so i cannot carry the dumbells i was using, so i stopped

 

what happen there ? can the masters explain

 

My Opinion:

 

Weight Gainer:

Please remember that the weight gainer should be treated as a supplement and not as a meal replacement. Thus, this must not substitute a well balanced meal on you breakfast, lunch or supper. If you'd ask me, the "golden time" to take half a serving or even 1/3 of the recomended serving (I never really buy the idea of mixing in 2-3 giant cups as intructed in the directions because I strongly believe that your body can only assimilate much per ingestion of food per sitting.) is before working out and immediately or during your workout. Now, you can squeez the other half or 1/3 serving in between "meals."

 

On Whey:

You seem to have a budget for supplementation combining whey and a weight gainer. If you're trying to gain weight, I don't think whey is necessary if you're equipped with a quality weight gain shake. This eqoes my suggestion above as using the weight gainer as your post workout shake. It's got carbs, protein (from whey also...check the ingredients list) and fats. If you'd ask me, a perfect combination of macro-nutritional requirements needed for recovery as compared to taking whey alone for post work out.

 

Now if you've already reached your target weight, you can let go of your weight gain supplement and nicely substitute it with the whey if you're not really cocnerned of surplus calorie ingestions anymore. But if you insist on taking whey along, and are open to the suggestion on how to take the weight gainer, taking whey before going to bed will be nice.

 

On creatine:

How to take creatine is really debatable amongst athletes and gym goers alike. In the 90's era when creatine was first introduced, it was suggested that you take in one serving prior to training. However, today, it seems that taking creatine after working out seems to be practiced more rather than taking it before. Some people say that creatine may be absorbed better when pushed with your post workout drink because of the insulin spike induced by the sudden rise of blood sugar when carbs are ingested. You may want to experiment what will work for you. But the most important thing to remember while taking creatine is that you should take in huge amounts of water while on it. One, creatine promotes hydration in muscles (and may promote weight gain due to added water weight) and two, with the ingestion of creatine comes its waste product creatinine. Creatinine offers little or almost no benefit at all to the body and can be harmful to the kidneys because it can promote "stone" build up (please remember than creatine monohydrate has a molecular structure similar to salts). It is wise to be hydrated to this stage to ensure healthy excretion of excess waste products.

 

On your chest Workout:

First question: If your trying to gain mass and muscle, why the hell are you doing flyes? :upside: Seriously, If you'd listen to me, stick to the standard bench press/dumbell press and dips. That will pack on pec muscles more efficiently. Forget about the flyes for now.

 

2nd question: Are you using any lifting gloves? wrist straps while lifting at that point? If yes they may be blocking proper bloodflow on your arms causing the numbness feeling.

 

3rd question: Are you sure your were gripping the dumbells properly? You might not know be conscious of it but you wrist must have been "positioned" in a wrong angle causing an unnatural execution of the excercise. For one, flyes are specialised movement as an attempt to focus the stress to the pec muscles. It's not really a "natural" motion to execute thus, you must be very carefull with this excercise because this can cause rotator cuff tear, wrist problems and even pec tear due to over stretching of the muscle.

 

In my opinion, numbness happens when there's too much or to little blood flow in a given area. Stoping the excercise is the wisest thing to do. If there's pain afterwards, you might want to seek medical consultations.

 

Just my opinion.

[Sharbait]

My Opinion:

 

Weight Gainer:

Please remember that the weight gainer should be treated as a supplement and not as a meal replacement. Thus, this must not substitute a well balanced meal on you breakfast, lunch or supper. If you'd ask me, the "golden time" to take half a serving or even 1/3 of the recomended serving (I never really buy the idea of mixing in 2-3 giant cups as intructed in the directions because I strongly believe that your body can only assimilate much per ingestion of food per sitting.) is before working out and immediately or during your workout. Now, you can squeez the other half or 1/3 serving in between "meals."

 

On Whey:

You seem to have a budget for supplementation combining whey and a weight gainer. If you're trying to gain weight, I don't think whey is necessary if you're equipped with a quality weight gain shake. This eqoes my suggestion above as using the weight gainer as your post workout shake. It's got carbs, protein (from whey also...check the ingredients list) and fats. If you'd ask me, a perfect combination of macro-nutritional requirements needed for recovery as compared to taking whey alone for post work out.

 

Now if you've already reached your target weight, you can let go of your weight gain supplement and nicely substitute it with the whey if you're not really cocnerned of surplus calorie ingestions anymore. But if you insist on taking whey along, and are open to the suggestion on how to take the weight gainer, taking whey before going to bed will be nice.

 

On creatine:

How to take creatine is really debatable amongst athletes and gym goers alike. In the 90's era when creatine was first introduced, it was suggested that you take in one serving prior to training. However, today, it seems that taking creatine after working out seems to be practiced more rather than taking it before. Some people say that creatine may be absorbed better when pushed with your post workout drink because of the insulin spike induced by the sudden rise of blood sugar when carbs are ingested. You may want to experiment what will work for you. But the most important thing to remember while taking creatine is that you should take in huge amounts of water while on it. One, creatine promotes hydration in muscles (and may promote weight gain due to added water weight) and two, with the ingestion of creatine comes its waste product creatinine. Creatinine offers little or almost no benefit at all to the body and can be harmful to the kidneys because it can promote "stone" build up (please remember than creatine monohydrate has a molecular structure similar to salts). It is wise to be hydrated to this stage to ensure healthy excretion of excess waste products.

 

On your chest Workout:

First question: If your trying to gain mass and muscle, why the hell are you doing flyes? :upside: Seriously, If you'd listen to me, stick to the standard bench press/dumbell press and dips. That will pack on pec muscles more efficiently. Forget about the flyes for now.

 

2nd question: Are you using any lifting gloves? wrist straps while lifting at that point? If yes they may be blocking proper bloodflow on your arms causing the numbness feeling.

 

3rd question: Are you sure your were gripping the dumbells properly? You might not know be conscious of it but you wrist must have been "positioned" in a wrong angle causing an unnatural execution of the excercise. For one, flyes are specialised movement as an attempt to focus the stress to the pec muscles. It's not really a "natural" motion to execute thus, you must be very carefull with this excercise because this can cause rotator cuff tear, wrist problems and even pec tear due to over stretching of the muscle.

 

In my opinion, numbness happens when there's too much or to little blood flow in a given area. Stoping the excercise is the wisest thing to do. If there's pain afterwards, you might want to seek medical consultations.

 

Just my opinion.

\

 

:goatee:

 

thanx for the info master

just curious, when i took creatine m several years ago,

i noticed that i had more strenght and endurance during my work out

i dont know if this is physcological

then when i take creat on my rest day,

para naman syang viagra to me

dont know if this a good thing :hypocritesmiley:

after the one 50 capsules i stopped

[Sharbait]

follow-up question on bench press

sometimes during my last rep,

i feel that my arms are shaking/wabbling

i dont know if thats standard,

my friends use to call it " excersing up to failure"

 

thanx in advance

[Jacques]

follow-up question on bench press

sometimes during my last rep,

i feel that my arms are shaking/wabbling

i dont know if thats standard,

my friends use to call it " excersing up to failure"

 

thanx in advance

 

I think that's normal. If you want to avoid this dillema I suggest you don't work a set to failure. Set a rep range (goal). Do not do more even if you're capable. Jack up the weight if things become too easy. As for creatine, yes it's normal for users to experience added muscular endurance because you recycle ATP more efficiently. In other words, creatine prolongs the workload you can handle while doing anaerobic work.

[Jacques]

fat burners...

 

to take or not to take?

 

got any recommendations...

 

You might want to check on the "fat burners" thread and review the entries.

[pancreas]

the only supplement i am taking for my work out is creatine.

 

If I get back to whey protein supplementation, i will increase my weight as well as my BMI to a level that classifies me overweight..

[Anjutsu]

Q lang po.

How much ung muscletech at sa GNC nabibili to dba?

May mas mura ba sa muscletech and san po nabibili?

 

Thanks

[Humpster!!!!]

Q lang po.

How much ung muscletech at sa GNC nabibili to dba?

May mas mura ba sa muscletech and san po nabibili?

 

Thanks

 

try mo optimum or EAS na brand, mas mura pero ok yung grams of protein per serving :thumbsupsmiley:

[briggs_ice]

question din po...

 

i just started going to gym just last week. (first timer po)

 

my sked is every wednesdays, saturday, sunday and monday.

 

i eat a cup of rice in the morning and lunch but bread for dinner. (no in-between meals) :hypocritesmiley:

 

i weigh 179lbs, stands 5'9".

 

"GYM" told me that im 2lbs. overweight and with 32% fats. (22% daw po normal)

 

i just want to get rid of my "not so big" tummy and have an "ABS"

 

i just want to have a firm muscles. :sadsmiley02:

 

any ADVICES and SUGGESTIONS po mga MASTERS? :cool:

[Sharbait]

I think that's normal. If you want to avoid this dillema I suggest you don't work a set to failure. Set a rep range (goal). Do not do more even if you're capable. Jack up the weight if things become too easy. As for creatine, yes it's normal for users to experience added muscular endurance because you recycle ATP more efficiently. In other words, creatine prolongs the workload you can handle while doing anaerobic work.

 

thanx for the info master

keep you update on the result of my work out

[Anjutsu]

anyone here selling whey protein? kung meron pls pm me.

magkano typically ung 2lb na whey and how long will this last (if I drink twice a day (so 4 scoops a day)?

 

Thanks

:goatee:

[hardtohandle]

fat burners...

 

to take or not to take?

 

got any recommendations...

 

Better take it... EDT will not burn off those unwanted fats alone...