Mixed Martial Arts

[Guiness]

I did. I thought that if the fight was kept standing, she would beat Ronda by decision. However, I thought that if Ronda took her down, she was dead. I was wrong, so wrong. Holly had something which the other challengers didn't have, an excellent submission defense. Once Rousey's finishing sequence was figured out, she was done for.

I don't think Ronda will take Holly down and submit her. Unless, of course, Holly becomes overconfident and complacent.

 

 

I don't think Holm will be complacent, she doesn't strike me as cocky or brash like Ronda is. But it will be interesting to see how Holly would respond if she gets taken down by Rousey. If Ronda does take her down I'm sure that Holm would be able to respond and prevent the arm bar. Ronda just might do some more training with her wrestling to take down Holm maybe get some training time with Daniel Cormier or some fighter with world class wrestling specialty. Or mix it up a bit and use some kicks like Holm did with her. But like i said, it will be interesting what she does to respond to Holms' technique

[Guiness]

By the way, you're not the one I am calling idiotic. It's the oddsmakers I am calling idiotic. Yes, Silva was clowning around but Weidman also took Silva down with ease and ground and pounded him. Wiedman clearly dominated the first round in their first fight. In my opinion, Anderson clowned around because Weidman got into his head.

 

I don't think it was Weidman who got in his head, Silva has done these clowning tactics of his before (e.g. Bonnar fight). I think it was stupid of him, to be doing these tactics anyway since he started doing them, eventually it caught up with him. He has been doing these type of tactics in his fights and has been able to win under these circumstances before the Weidman fight. I think it's been always his tactic to lower his hands and weave his head around to lure the opponent to lunge and throw a punch, miss and then counter. not to mention its also to get into the head of the opponent to make a mistake. Of course, Weidman saw thru that and didn't get bothered with Silva's tactics.

 

 

Well that's how i think oddsmakers give the favor to a fighter. It's the track record. its not because of the one fight where they lost. They think it was because of a lucky punch, or it was a bad night for the fighter that's why they lost but they still credit to what the fighter did in their past fights which give them the favor.

[Guiness]

The thing is Ronda clearly got outclassed because she didn't have a clue on what to do in the stand-up. Once Holly neutralized her ground game, that was the beginning of the end for her. Ronda was clearly out of Holly's league in the stand-up. Rousey has not technique except to move forward and punch.

Point taken but you cannot overlook what Holly did against Ronda.

 

No of course not, Holm really did outclass Ronda and dominated her. But i can't overlook what Ronda did in her previous fights. She did win in dominating fashion against some of the most decorated fighters in her division after all.

 

That's why it will be interesting to see the rematch and how Rousey will respond. If she still loses to Holm in the same dominating fashion. it will be the end of Rousey's career i think.

[Guiness]

Yes, but none of them with the striking ability, footwork and take down Holly has.

 

Well Holly hasn't fought the fighters that Rousey has fought. She hasn't fought Zingano, Tate or Correia. I think it just came down to the style that won Holm. If Dana White puts Holly Holm against some of the fighters that Rousey fought, it might be interesting to see if Holly's style would win against fighters like Tate. Who happens to be the number 1 contender right now

 

 

And as for Silva's clowning. I don't think it was the Weidman takedown's that got him to clown. He's been doing it in his previous fights. Watch the Silva-Sonnen fight. The first time they fought. Sonnen did exactly the same thing you were saying as to what Weidman did and that was to takedown Silva almost at will the whole fight. Why didn't Silva clown around if Sonnen was taking him down? THe clowning has been common with Silva and the Weidman fight was no different. He didn't respect Weidman and that's why led to him getting knocked out. Weidman just didn't buy into the psychological mind games the Silva was playing. He was playing a dangerous game and that's what resulted in him being put to sleep

Edited November 26, 2015 by hahnz

[Guiness]

I think he was overconfident with Chael Sonnen. He knew with Weidman, there was gonna be a chance he would lose because of Wiedman's style of fighting. Silva's weakness was being easily taken down which was demonstrated by Henderson and Sonnen. Furthermore, Wiedman is a far superior striker than Sonnen or Henderson.

 

Holly was in Ronda's head because Ronda knew Holly brought something vastly different from her previous opponents and that was championship striking. Hence, she uncharacteristically charged at Holly during the weigh-ins, something she didn't do with any of her previous fights. I think Silva did the clowning to mask his insecurity that Wiedman could beat him.

 

How do you know Silva knew there was a chance he would lose to Weidman? By watching how he was acting towards Weidman? First off, i don't think a fighter comes into the ring and thinks they would lose. Why fight at all if you think you will lose to your opponent. They don't come with a defeatist mentality they come in the ring thinking of winning. In Silva he was confidently thinking he was gonna win this fight. I don't think there was anything different in his approach towards Weidman with his previous opponents. If anything he thought, he would breeze by Weidman like he did the others. By clowning around as usual. THe only difference is, he got so overconfident he got nailed by Weidman. 2nd fight, he wasn't clowning anymore. So he's being serious about the fight now because he got humiliated with the 1st loss. But father time caught up with him and his shin broke for a kick he normally does.

 

As for the clowning and the taunting. This wasn't new to Silva. So your theory about Weidman being in Silva's head wasn't true. If anything he overconfident thinking that this was gonna be another easy fight like the rest.

 

Watch the fights between Silva vs Forest Griffin, Demian Maia. Especially the Maia fight in UFC 112. He was clowning and taunting Maia. Same thing with the 1st Weidman fight. He just got overconfident and it bit him in the a.ss

 

Here is a video of Dana White in the post fight presser of UFC 112. He was talking about how Anderson was crazy in clowning and showboating in the Maia fight. Nothing different in how he was clowning with Weidman. Only difference was, he didn't win with his clowning against Weidman

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7RzsT_9AYs

 

 

 

 

As for Rousey. There wasn't anything different about Rousey's gameplan in the fight. She was looking to grab Holly and get her to the ground. Problem was she probably miscalculated as to how good Holly's defense was because she couldn't come in fast enough. Anyway to put my thoughts into this fight. Rousey just fought someone she thought she could overcome with her skill set. If they fight in a rematch, we'll see if she changes her style a bit or has something planned to get Holly to the ground

Edited November 26, 2015 by hahnz

[Guiness]

I made a sweeping statement but I forgot to mention that I was basing this on the actual fight, specifically, the first round of their first fight. Weidman was dominating Silva on the ground in, virtually, the whole of the first round. I am speculating but my speculation is based on this fact of Weidman dominating Silva on the ground in the first round with Silva having limited offensive options because of his inferior position on the ground. I think Silva was getting insecure by the second round, hence, the clowning around. He was getting insecure because he was getting dominated and he tried to mask that insecurity by being arrogant and foolishly clowning around. The last statement is my speculation based on what happened in the first round.

 

But why would he be insecure? he's the champion, he doesn't need to be insecure to a challenger. Even Joe Rogan was commenting on his clowning around during the fight putting his hands down as if he was trying to taunt Weidman to throw a punch. I think it was disrespectful for him to be not taking the fight seriously and playing around. Dana White also said he was playing around and he got caught". So in closing, if you don't take a fight seriously you will get caught and that's what happened to Silva. The octagon is not a place to be playing around. In the Nick Diaz fight, Diaz was mocking Anderson by laying down and doing the same clowning tactics Silva was doing in his fights. talk about giving the guy a dose of his own medicine

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TauPWope2RI

[dancelyador]

just checked back the fight line up for FN 79 and there was 2 Dong Hyun Kim is this a juan dela cruz equivalent here they both look the same though

[dancelyador]

me too i agree edgar has an edge compared to mendez, with his takedowns and wresling game plus he do not get tired easily compared to mendez.

 

i believe connor will win the figth though aldo has been unbeaten for 10years. this would be the start of new figthers era .

[Cap™]

so, Aldo-McGregor's gonna be this Sunday. Methinks Aldo's gonna win but I sure hope Conor upsets him and continues on his brashness

[seventwentyone]

Aldo all the way!

[Cap™]

edit: it's next Sunday pala. Kuryente ako sa Yahoo Sports hahaha

[cappybara]

Aldo or McGregor for the upcoming ufc 194?

[dragopilipinas]

Jose Aldo will definitely win this either KO, submission or decision.

[Cap™]

Aldo or McGregor for the upcoming ufc 194?

 

I'd say Aldo as well but if Conor got into Aldo's head for the longest time (not to mention the numerous layoffs Aldo had), Conor might pull it off.

[Cap™]

The guy speaks fluent Tagalog.

 

I wouldn't say fluent though. hahaha. But he goes home like once every three months now that he's not in the UFC anymore.

 

Speaking of, I just wanna get everyone's view on Chris Weidman. I don't think he's a sellable champion, thus always being in McGregor's undercard. Dos Anjos isn't sellable too IMO