Mixed Martial Arts

[sujiro]

he dont have to gain 20-30 pounds, just 10-15 lbs.. he already walks @ 190, so if he add just 10 lbs, he will just need to cut 15 lbs to make it to 185.. why is it hard for him and not on BJ Penn and Anderson Silva..BJ walks @ 165, yet ballooned to 192, just to fight Lyoto. and Machida couldnt even finish a bloated LW.. besides,he keeps telling how big AS is, but he is also the one suggesting the fight to be @ 170 or catch weight (that means around 180)..that's ironic..he can't add 15 lbs, and yet he suggests his opponent whom he said walks @ 230 to cut to 170?

 

i hope AS will be crazy enough to drop down to 170 to frontkick GSPs ass..

Edited March 11, 2011 by sujiro

[Olympus]

not yet..im currently working on my cardio in a commercial gym..are BJJ schools equipped with cardio/exercise machines?

 

i thot dat was big deal when Palhares submitted Big Nog, besides Big Nog is two-weight class heavier.i just dont know what kind of chokes or locks he used to tapped him.i know in BJJ schools esp. in the Phils ankle locks/heel hooks are prohibited because of the risks involved.so, how can any1 master that leglocks? train in Sambo? do Pinoy MMA used that in a fight?

 

Just my advice bro, you can work your cardio as much as you want but you'll still get gassed when you roll since its a new environment... The simplest way to get in bjj shape is by rolling often

 

 

straight footlocks are allowed for the blue belt level and up in bjj competitions AFAIK.. heel hooks, knee bars are for brown belt level if I got that right

 

of course, if you want to use them in an mma fight, then you have to train them.

 

Dennis Salazar submitted Celso Guda using a heel hook in the last fearless fighting championship that was held at the new ynares center in pasig a few years back

[riceb0i]

he dont have to gain 20-30 pounds, just 10-15 lbs.. he already walks @ 190, so if he add just 10 lbs, he will just need to cut 15 lbs to make it to 185.. why is it hard for him and not on BJ Penn and Anderson Silva..BJ walks @ 165, yet ballooned to 192, just to fight Lyoto. and Machida couldnt even finish a bloated LW.. besides,he keeps telling how big AS is, but he is also the one suggesting the fight to be @ 170 or catch weight (that means around 180)..that's ironic..he can't add 15 lbs, and yet he suggests his opponent whom he said walks @ 230 to cut to 170?

 

i hope AS will be crazy enough to drop down to 170 to frontkick GSPs ass..

that's why BJ gets beat by the elite of the WW division and got beat by Lyoto cause he was not in shape

 

Just my advice bro, you can work your cardio as much as you want but you'll still get gassed when you roll since its a new environment... The simplest way to get in bjj shape is by rolling often

yes sir, when i started BJJ i was still smoking 5-7 sticks a day, at first it was damn tiring... i kept gassing out but after a couple of months i was holding my own even if i was smoking... now it's a different story with me not smoking any longer sir

[JustSmile=)]

Maia vs Munoz is now official for UFC 131.. two guys with sub par boxing but with two different styles on the ground.. I wonder if Munoz will take Maia down and impose his ground and pound knowing damn well that he can be submitted in a heartbeat..

 

If Sonnen gets jail time come his court appearance, Bisping, I guess will be fed to Vitor.. Just for the fun of it, I hope they do it in Brazil..

[Brownman]

Breaking news....Zuffa owns Strikeforce

http://www.mmanews.com/news/89340

[JustSmile=)]

^^ Oh Yeah!Zuffa definitely owns MMA, but Dana said that it will be operated independently - for now.. much like a minor league..

 

I'm sure Zuffa will merge Strikeforce with UFC when time comes.. Cant wait for promising guys from SF to make it to the big show..

 

Now, if he wants, Nick Diaz can back-up his words that he can beat up GSP..

 

And this definitely proves one thing, Fedor and M1 really kills a promotion, from Bodog, Affliction, and now Strikeforce.. Fedor should rededicate himself and part ways with M1.. Near impossible, but we'll never know..

 

Let's see what will happen.. From previous reports, Dream and WVR is almost bankrupt as well.. Bellator is doing good - for the moment..

[ray004]

Maia vs Munoz is now official for UFC 131.. two guys with sub par boxing but with two different styles on the ground.. I wonder if Munoz will take Maia down and impose his ground and pound knowing damn well that he can be submitted in a heartbeat..

 

 

at least Mark Muñoz is getting consistent exposure. can't wait for this fight!

[pogi1119]

Opens up a lot of possibilities ... Overeem vs Velasquez, Fedor vs Lesnar, Diaz vs GSP/Shields, etc.

 

But bad news for Barnett, Hendo and Daley(harharhar!!!) ... and also Female Fighting Cris Cyborg, Carano ... (oh no!!!!)

 

 

Breaking news....Zuffa owns Strikeforce

http://www.mmanews.com/news/89340

[riotulis]

Mag Masters, confirmed na po ba ito?

 

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/2/16/1996537/dana-white-says-the-ultimate-fighter-philippines-will-be-the-start-of

 

TIA

[geneticfreak]

he dont have to gain 20-30 pounds, just 10-15 lbs.. he already walks @ 190, so if he add just 10 lbs, he will just need to cut 15 lbs to make it to 185.. why is it hard for him and not on BJ Penn and Anderson Silva..BJ walks @ 165, yet ballooned to 192, just to fight Lyoto. and Machida couldnt even finish a bloated LW.. besides,he keeps telling how big AS is, but he is also the one suggesting the fight to be @ 170 or catch weight (that means around 180)..that's ironic..he can't add 15 lbs, and yet he suggests his opponent whom he said walks @ 230 to cut to 170?

 

i hope AS will be crazy enough to drop down to 170 to frontkick GSPs ass..

 

1. I find it hilarious how you reference fights which are so outdated to try and prove a point. First off you try to prove GSP's submission defense (or lack thereof in your opinion) by referring to his very first fight with Matt Hughes in one of your previous posts. Now you refer to a BJ fight where he clearly was over his head (taking his alias 'the Prodigy' way too seriously) going all up to heavyweight to fight Lyoto Machida. Come on man these fights are so freakin 'ancient' you can't use them as a barometer for these guys anymore. These fighters are way way way better than what they were used to, GSP especially (and even BJ who has now finally learned the importance of a good strength and conditioning program).

 

2. Again styles make fights. How many times do we have to say this. People try to make it sound so simple as if Anderson was just gonna front kick everyone in the head and knock em out with ease. All we've been saying is judging by what happened in the Sonnen and the Travis Lutter fight GSP has the 'style', the 'game' to nullify and defeat the strengths of an Anderson Silva. He can beat Anderson, not that we're saying that the Spider can't beat him but GSP has the ability to beat him. Heck I even think a Jon Fitch can give Anderson Silva problems.

 

3. And about the 20-30 pound weight addition GSP has to make. I think this was something he said in one of his post fight interviews with Joe Rogan. We really can't say with certainty what he meant when he said that. GSP may have meant starting from his fighting weight of 170 or his walking weight of 190. But in any case GSP and his conditioning coaches are the ones who can say best what weight he should be at the off season if he is to make a run at 185. Different people shed weight at different rates. Different people have different ratios of lean muscle mass to body fat. Different people have different workouts and conditioning programs. Given all those differences I think GSP was just giving a 'rough' estimate of perhaps how much muscle he thought he had to put on at that time if ever the Anderson Silva fight was gonna happen. And yes the amount may be closer to around 10-15 pounds of muscle or just a little more than that. And he never said he couldn't add the pounds to go up a weight class. All he said was it was a decision that he had to be really sure of before ever trying it because once you do add those additional pounds he won't ever be able to come back and fight at welterweight.

 

Bottom line is both fighters have fights set. Anderson has Okami and GSP's got Shields in his sights next. Why don't we just see what happens after that. I'm sure if ever GSP defeats Shields (which I think he will do and quite handily I might add) he will strongly consider going up a weight class since there's no one left to challenge him at welterweight.

[iskander]

Moderator's note: you know this is not a boxing thread, but you're posting your opinion about boxing. You want to post your thoughts, do it in the right thread.

 

There's no cost in using common sense.

Edited March 15, 2011 by tamago
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[sujiro]

1. I find it hilarious how you reference fights which are so outdated to try and prove a point. First off you try to prove GSP's submission defense (or lack thereof in your opinion) by referring to his very first fight with Matt Hughes in one of your previous posts. Now you refer to a BJ fight where he clearly was over his head (taking his alias 'the Prodigy' way too seriously) going all up to heavyweight to fight Lyoto Machida. Come on man these fights are so freakin 'ancient' you can't use them as a barometer for these guys anymore. These fighters are way way way better than what they were used to, GSP especially (and even BJ who has now finally learned the importance of a good strength and conditioning program).

 

2. Again styles make fights. How many times do we have to say this. People try to make it sound so simple as if Anderson was just gonna front kick everyone in the head and knock em out with ease. All we've been saying is judging by what happened in the Sonnen and the Travis Lutter fight GSP has the 'style', the 'game' to nullify and defeat the strengths of an Anderson Silva. He can beat Anderson, not that we're saying that the Spider can't beat him but GSP has the ability to beat him. Heck I even think a Jon Fitch can give Anderson Silva problems.

 

3. And about the 20-30 pound weight addition GSP has to make. I think this was something he said in one of his post fight interviews with Joe Rogan. We really can't say with certainty what he meant when he said that. GSP may have meant starting from his fighting weight of 170 or his walking weight of 190. But in any case GSP and his conditioning coaches are the ones who can say best what weight he should be at the off season if he is to make a run at 185. Different people shed weight at different rates. Different people have different ratios of lean muscle mass to body fat. Different people have different workouts and conditioning programs. Given all those differences I think GSP was just giving a 'rough' estimate of perhaps how much muscle he thought he had to put on at that time if ever the Anderson Silva fight was gonna happen. And yes the amount may be closer to around 10-15 pounds of muscle or just a little more than that. And he never said he couldn't add the pounds to go up a weight class. All he said was it was a decision that he had to be really sure of before ever trying it because once you do add those additional pounds he won't ever be able to come back and fight at welterweight.

 

Bottom line is both fighters have fights set. Anderson has Okami and GSP's got Shields in his sights next. Why don't we just see what happens after that. I'm sure if ever GSP defeats Shields (which I think he will do and quite handily I might add) he will strongly consider going up a weight class since there's no one left to challenge him at welterweight.

 

 

Nope.. Okami is the number 1 MW contender, but every1 knows he is NOT fighting AS yet. Uncle Dana said if AS beats Vitor, and GSP beats Shields, then both winners will face each other. 1 part of the equation is already done, so we just have to wait till next month to see the other 1..

 

and i dont understand why all the advantages have to go to GSP..its either will wait for him to "properly bulk up" or AS will drop weight to catchweight or WW.

 

Hughes-GSP fight is the only fight that we can base GSPs BJJ defense.cause we never seen other fighters try submit him.cause he never fought an elite BJJ guy before (except for BJ)..well at least i have a basis, and not only SPECULATING..

 

besides, AS nver submitted guys with his BJJ, he hurts them first badly. Refer to Lutter, Hendo, Sonnen fights.. you can also add that to my ancient references...

[geneticfreak]

and i dont understand why all the advantages have to go to GSP..its either will wait for him to "properly bulk up" or AS will drop weight to catchweight or WW.

 

Hughes-GSP fight is the only fight that we can base GSPs BJJ defense.cause we never seen other fighters try submit him.cause he never fought an elite BJJ guy before (except for BJ)..well at least i have a basis, and not only SPECULATING..

 

besides, AS nver submitted guys with his BJJ, he hurts them first badly. Refer to Lutter, Hendo, Sonnen fights.. you can also add that to my ancient references...

 

So what the heck do you suggest then? That they fight as they weigh naturally right now and meet at 185? Of course no fighter even one as talented as GSP would allow such an arrangement if he was in his right mind. You can't go in there all balls, gun blazing now a days and expect to win like they did during the 'ancient' days. Like how BJ did when he fought Machida. Right now everything (and that includes the fighting weight, training, strength and conditioning program, supplementation and all the little nuances that go into preparation for a fight) is approached with utmost detail and attention. It is only natural for a fighter to try to gain an advantage where he can especially since Anderson physically is really much larger than GSP.

 

The GSP before the loss to Serra is 'ancient'. The GSP who lost to Matt Hughes is even more 'ancient' People don't even remember that fighter anymore. What has happened to GSP in the last couple of years is similar to the transformation Josh Koscheck IMO has undergone. The Koscheck in the TUF house does not look anywhere near the Koscheck we have now grown accustomed to seeing in the UFC.

 

The Sonnen fight I don't know but that seems pretty recent to me... (that was only last year right?) In fact it was only Silva's previous fight before fighting Vitor. And we can see from the Lutter fight till that fight that not much has changed in the department of Anderson being taken down and nullified for a while and that being possibly 'the formula' to victory for anyone taking a shot at him.

 

He didn't have Sonnen hurt badly right before he submitted him. Sonnen became too 'overconfident' leaving his wrist controlled by Anderson as he rained blows down on him from up top for more than 4 rounds and was 'lured' in by the prospect of an impending win.

 

Again we are not saying he cannot beat GSP. Silva has proven time and again that he has the style and the talent to defeat anyone in the world. But GSP has the game and the talent to defeat him too. Again styles make fights and often the fighter who imposes his style, his game during the fight is the one declared the winner.

[jkruz]

IMHO.. GSP is too small for The Spider.. But I'm rooting for Rush though..

 

Also, I'm no fan of "styles make fights."

[riceb0i]

Okami gets a shot first, he had it looooooooooong overdue