Mixed Martial Arts

[riceb0i]

dun dapat siya sa Nog bros mag train Black house ba yun pareng 705?

[Larry]

^ or maybe he should leave Xtreme Couture. pansin ko since he left Chute Boxe he kinda lost that aggressiveness

 

getting off the juice will do that to you.

 

there's something about the cage that throws Wandy's game off, i don't know what it is, but it just takes him out of his game somehow.

[riceb0i]

getting off the juice will do that to you.

 

there's something about the cage that throws Wandy's game off, i don't know what it is, but it just takes him out of his game somehow.

 

siguro nga, parang yung octagon ay malas kay Wand, aside sa Ultimate Brazil & his recent UFC stint, naglaro na ba sa Wand sa loob ng Octagon na labanan?

[SevenZeroFive]

getting off the juice will do that to you.

 

there's something about the cage that throws Wandy's game off, i don't know what it is, but it just takes him out of his game somehow.

 

^ that might be true; PRIDE never did have random testing for PED's. maybe, after years and years of fighting in a ring they're shellshocked with the whole setting of the cage. no resets to the center, no grabbing the cage for leverage, just the overall approach to a cage fight as opposed to one in a regular ring.

 

dun dapat siya sa Nog bros mag train Black house ba yun pareng 705?

siguro nga, parang yung octagon ay malas kay Wand, aside sa Ultimate Brazil & his recent UFC stint, naglaro na ba sa Wand sa loob ng Octagon na labanan?

 

 

^ could be, kasi both Anderson & Big Nog have acclimated themselves nicely to the octagon, whereas their other co-"imports" like Cro Cop have trouble with the octagon.

 

oh, & Big Nog and Anderson might need someone who's a badass with them, now that they're gonna enter American Top Team's turf & open their academy in Miami. BJJ Turf War!!! :thumbsupsmiley:

 

Wand did fight 3 times in the UFC, in order:

- TKO loss to the fighter formerly known as Vitor Belfort @ Ultimate Brazil

- TKO win over Tony Pettara in UFC 17 i think

- UD loss to Tito Ortiz in Ultimate Japan 2 for the MW strap

Edited May 7, 2008 by SevenZeroFive

[necito20]

tanong lang kelan ulit laban ni brandon vera??? sa ufc pa din ba cya???

[hardtohandle]

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=11776

 

 

Manny Pacquiao was mentioned, hehehehhe!

[geneticfreak]

both will be a hell of a fight indeed. i can also relate to 705 about Tito beating the Dragon & then he goes to the mike & talk s@%t. hehehe classic Tito Ortiz!!! hahaha

 

Sherk & Penn would be WAR! both have been talking s@%t about who's gonna be on top when they go to the ground, that would be really interesting to watch! with how Sherk eats knees and still gets the takedown & how masterful Penn can be in the guard position that would be a great thing to watch. i hope i see another bloody win by BJ. hehehe

 

I don't think Tito can beat Machida. Well the Tito in the old days who had a faster shot and better posture and stand up might have been able to take out someone as elusive as a Machida but not anymore. He barely won against forrest griffin and had a draw against rashard evans who also defended his shots pretty well and actually managed to take him down the last few moments of the fight (which resulted in the draw).

 

Machida's style is so unique and he is so hard to hit. That's what fighting kumite style in karate gave this guy he can just go on hitting and evading his opponents all night long. That arm triangle in his last fight with Sokodjou was also sweet and gives you a clear idea of what his ground skills are like (BJJ Blackbelt) just in case Tito does take him down. While in the guard he did very well against Sokodjou the first two times he was taken down so clearly Tito will have a hard time doing his trademark GNP on him.

 

I think Dana gave Tito this fight coz he thinks Machida will just destroy Ortiz and finish his stint in the UFC. There has been a lot of publicized feuding between the UFC President and the camp of the former light heavyweight champ.

 

As for the Wand Jardine fight. As much as i love Wand. I don't see him winning this one. Back in the Pride Absolute Grand Prix in 2006 he got beat by Crocop by doing something over and over again and that is kicking. wand ate a lot of body kicks and leg kicks (which also set up Crocop's hands btw) before finally getting knocked out by a headkick in the 2nd round. Technically I think Jardine is a better and more pin point kicker than crocop and he can just keep on hitting the same spot every single time as most of us witnessed during his win over chuck lidell. Also the reach advantage goes to Jardine as well as 'cage' experience. Its either Wand is gonna be stopped by kicks again or its gonna be a unanimous decision for the Dean of Mean.

 

On the Penn-Sherk Fight, no doubt in my mind that Shawn Sherk is gonna regain his title. He can take Penn down at will much like what he did with a 'juiced-up' Hermes Franca. And much like what he did with Franca I think Sherk will just pass Bj's guard at will. Hermes Franca is a BJJ Blackbelt close to that of a level of a BJ Penn but he wasn't able to do anything to derail the muscle shark. He ate some knees but kept on coming which is a testament to the strength of his chin. Quite frankly I think Franca hits harder that a BJ Penn standing up so I don't see BJ being able to KO the muscle shark too (well if he does well enough to keep the fight standing anyway).

 

Just my two cents. =)

Edited May 8, 2008 by geneticfreak

[fatso8]

pag di nag-train ng mabuti si Penn (as in previous fights), matatalo sya kay Sherk... ie, the longer the fight goes, the greater the chance of Sherk winning.

Edited May 8, 2008 by fatso8

[SevenZeroFive]

tanong lang kelan ulit laban ni brandon vera??? sa ufc pa din ba cya???

 

^ UFC 85 next month, against Fabricio Werdum :thumbsupsmiley:

 

As for the Wand Jardine fight. As much as i love Wand. I don't see him winning this one. Back in the Pride Absolute Grand Prix in 2006 he got beat by Crocop by doing something over and over again and that is kicking. wand ate a lot of body kicks and leg kicks (which also set up Crocop's hands btw) before finally getting knocked out by a headkick in the 2nd round. Technically I think Jardine is a better and more pin point kicker than crocop and he can just keep on hitting the same spot every single time as most of us witnessed during his win over chuck lidell. Also the reach advantage goes to Jardine as well as 'cage' experience. Its either Wand is gonna be stopped by kicks again or its gonna be a unanimous decision for the Dean of Mean.

 

On the Penn-Sherk Fight, no doubt in my mind that Shawn Sherk is gonna regain his title. He can take Penn down at will much like what he did with a 'juiced-up' Hermes Franca. And much like what he did with Franca I think Sherk will just pass Bj's guard at will. Hermes Franca is a BJJ Blackbelt close to that of a level of a BJ Penn but he wasn't able to do anything to derail the muscle shark. He ate some knees but kept on coming which is a testament to the strength of his chin. Quite frankly I think Franca hits harder that a BJ Penn standing up so I don't see BJ being able to KO the muscle shark too (well if he does well enough to keep the fight standing anyway).

 

Just my two cents. =)

 

i dunno if i'll agree with you about Jardine being more technically sound than Cro Cop in terms of striking. remember, you're comparing Jardine to a top of the food chain K-1 striker. also, WAND's loss to Cro Cop was in the Open Weight GP, and without weight restrictions and facing a much heavier opponent WAND was not in his element (although his TKO win over Fujita would say otherwise). the only factors here are cage awareness and overall strategy for Jardine. if he does what he did to Chuck when he won that fight then maybe he'll win.

 

since you brought up that Hermes was juiced when he won, remember that Sean could've been juiced too during that fight. Now that there's no trace of any PED's in his system we can see what he can really do against BJ. Hermes is good, but BJ is on a whole new level in terms of BJJ. also, BJ choked Matt Hughes out, who's just as good a wrestler as Sean, so BJ might know what he's getting in to.

 

my only issue with BJ is whether the BJ Penn who choked Hughes out will show up, or will it be the BJ Penn who fought the guy Tito will fight on the same card.

[riceb0i]

hopefully BJ will not gas out, he's more of the finesse fighter for me, not much of a cardio freak like Sherk. but honestly i'd like to see that match since both have been talking s@%t on who's who in the ground or standing up.

 

i don't agree with the guy who said Jardine is more of a precise striker than Crocop, i mean the Dean of Mean got his hits because the Chuck he fought was taking it easy, he thought that after a loss he'd get a squash match against Jardine, guess he was wrong eh?

 

Wand coming off a string of losses would be coming out strong with this fight, Octagon awareness or not i'd still say if Wand is the more aggressive fighter then he'll win, but lets not count out Keith throwing those haymakers or repeating a 1, 2, 10 like what he did with Chuck.

 

MMA math doesn't make sense eh?

[necito20]

salamat boss gusto ko ulit mapanuod si vera sa ufc eh!!! kailangan nyang bumawi sa nangyari sa kanya sa last outing nya...

[geneticfreak]

i dunno if i'll agree with you about Jardine being more technically sound than Cro Cop in terms of striking. remember, you're comparing Jardine to a top of the food chain K-1 striker. also, WAND's loss to Cro Cop was in the Open Weight GP, and without weight restrictions and facing a much heavier opponent WAND was not in his element (although his TKO win over Fujita would say otherwise). the only factors here are cage awareness and overall strategy for Jardine. if he does what he did to Chuck when he won that fight then maybe he'll win.

 

Just wanna comment that during the Pride GP semis when Wand did fight Crocop. Wand actually weighed heavier than Crocop coming into the fight so you can't say Crocop had any weight advantage against wand in that fight. Perhaps his only disadvantage was he was fighting against crocop as a 'heavyweight' and wasn't used to it as crocop was.

[Insaniac]

UFC 85 poster for Bedlam PPV event in London

 

http://mmamania.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/ufc85poster.jpg

 

(Update) : Chris Leben sentenced to 35 days in jail; UFC 85 fight with Michael Bisping is off

[SevenZeroFive]

Just wanna comment that during the Pride GP semis when Wand did fight Crocop. Wand actually weighed heavier than Crocop coming into the fight so you can't say Crocop had any weight advantage against wand in that fight. Perhaps his only disadvantage was he was fighting against crocop as a 'heavyweight' and wasn't used to it as crocop was.

 

^ QFT with the weight friend, my thoughts exactly. i'm just saying that WAND-Cro Cop 2 is a totally different case for me IMO, because it is open weight, and that would probably be a one-off fight with a result that won't be replicated anytime soon. regardless, WAND's downfall there for me was Cro Cop was picking him apart with his counter striking, which is the perfect weapon against WAND's wild style back then. i highly doubt that Jardine would be able to replicate what Cro Cop did, but if his performance earned him a win against Chuck (who's just as wild a striker as WAND is) then it might be good enough. i'm not really doing MMAth, i'm just considering both Chuck & WAND's striking styles and how they're open for counters, which Jardine & Cro Cop were able to use.

 

the key for WAND is to push the pace, simple as that. Chuck made the mistake of letting Jardine dictate the pace too much in their fight. WAND has to give him different looks, mix it up, be in your face and just go balls to the wall (and avoid getting hit too, of course).

[riceb0i]

ergo with Wand being the aggressor, he will have a better chance of winning if we see a Jardine that fought Chuck some months back