Mixed Martial Arts

[JustSmile=)]

Hey, whatever happened to Philippe Nover? Is he out of the UFC? Sayang, he looked promising during the UFC reality show but had a bad start kaagad.

 

Looks like Mark Munoz has to carry the Philippine flag since Brandon Vera isn't a fierce fighter lately.

Nover was given his walking papers after 3 consecutive losses to mid-tier lightweights (Emerson & Bradley)

 

Kung Fil-Americans, si Muñoz na lang flag-bearer ntn.. Vera will be there, but as a gatekeeper na lang..

[kuya willie]

I believe that Brock is gonna f#&k up Cain V. , Cain strongest arsenal is his wrestling, Good luck doing that to Brock!!! If Cain cannot take Brock down, Brock is gonna maul The brown pride out of Cain. Sana May rematch na lang kay carwin, coz I think that Carwin has the capabilities to knock Brock out, but needs to improve his cardio!!!

Edited July 5, 2010 by kuya willie

[theluffy99]

wow brock won!i cant believe after the 1st fight carwin manhandled brock,the ref didn't stop it even though brock looks dazed..on the 2nd round dang he did a sub on carwin..i was soo impressed at brock he changed a lot after his 1st mma fight against mirr..

[narcosis]

Yup, what a shame. I believe Dana even labelled Nover as something like GSP.

 

Problem wth Mark is that he can get knocked out anytime. Not a strong chin if he gets one on the face. But his ground and pound is awesome!

 

Vera, you lazy ass! Wake up and start fighting the way you used to.

 

 

Nover was given his walking papers after 3 consecutive losses to mid-tier lightweights (Emerson & Bradley)

 

Kung Fil-Americans, si Muñoz na lang flag-bearer ntn.. Vera will be there, but as a gatekeeper na lang..

[narcosis]

I don't like Brock but I think he's showing better MMA skills now. That submission was just impressive. Same with Chris Leben's submission....whoever expected him to pull that off? hehe!

 

 

 

wow brock won!i cant believe after the 1st fight carwin manhandled brock,the ref didn't stop it even though brock looks dazed..on the 2nd round dang he did a sub on carwin..i was soo impressed at brock he changed a lot after his 1st mma fight against mirr..

[geneticfreak]

I believe that Brock is gonna f#&k up Cain V. , Cain strongest arsenal is his wrestling, Good luck doing that to Brock!!! If Cain cannot take Brock down, Brock is gonna maul The brown pride out of Cain. Sana May rematch na lang kay carwin, coz I think that Carwin has the capabilities to knock Brock out, but needs to improve his cardio!!!

 

His wrestling is his greatest strength but his tactical advantage against Brock would be first his speed (I think Cain of Course will be lighter on his fee since he is the smaller man) and two his standup (we all saw how well Cain mixed up his strikes against Noguiera). When he fights Brock, unless Brock is really really worn out due to strikes I don't think Cain will wrestle with him let alone clinch with him. He will probably employ a strike and get out of the way strategy ala Lyoto Machida and just defend the takedowns (which I think he can as long as he does not get pressed against the fence). If he works with angles Brock might find a bit of trouble in trying to impose his weight on him.

 

Carwin does have all the physical tools to beat Brock... Heck as I said the fight could have gone his way had there been a different referee. In MMA there are only a certain number of unanswered strikes a ref will usually allow before declaring that a fighter is no longer defending himself. If a fighter just balls up like what Brock did a normal ref will allow about 6-8 unanswered strikes before getting in there and stopping it. If memory serves me right Carwin landed even more than that while Brock was just there with his forearms raised to protect his face.

 

Carwin's gonna be back. and if he ever gets a rematch he will intelligently pace himself the next time.

 

One thing I would also like to point out to is with regards to Brock's BJJ I'm impressed he was able to keep his guard all the time while Carwin was raining down shots. Had Carwin been able to advance from half guard into either mount or side control he would have really been in trouble.

[The_Blade]

don't you think they're of the same size..heck! i thought shane was the larger beast during fight time

 

http://www.mmaconvert.com/wp-content/uploads/post-images/lesnar_carwin_weigh_ins.jpg

 

 

again, much more of brawn no brain for carwin(loss). he cant win without his uppercut,it must be the haircut, haha. randy is the factor for brock.

 

i am afraid carwin will have same fate as vera, let's see. I want mir-carwin rematch.

[Olympus]

His wrestling is his greatest strength but his tactical advantage against Brock would be first his speed (I think Cain of Course will be lighter on his fee since he is the smaller man) and two his standup (we all saw how well Cain mixed up his strikes against Noguiera). When he fights Brock, unless Brock is really really worn out due to strikes I don't think Cain will wrestle with him let alone clinch with him. He will probably employ a strike and get out of the way strategy ala Lyoto Machida and just defend the takedowns (which I think he can as long as he does not get pressed against the fence). If he works with angles Brock might find a bit of trouble in trying to impose his weight on him.

 

Yup Sprawl and brawl would be his best tactic to defeat Brock

 

One thing I would also like to point out to is with regards to Brock's BJJ I'm impressed he was able to keep his guard all the time while Carwin was raining down shots. Had Carwin been able to advance from half guard into either mount or side control he would have really been in trouble.

 

Give credit to rodrigo medeiros... but I also notice that Carwin should have gone for mount first. he also did not deliveer any hammer-fists, which I believe would have broken Brock's defense so he could have rained down more damaging blows..

 

Lesson learned for Carwin.. let's hope he comes back stronger ike his teammate GSP did when he lost to Matt Serra

[spud]

i really thought that brock wasn't gonna make it past the 1st round but again this "work-in-progress" seems to prove everyone wrong time and time again. and to finish it with a submission was definitely icing on the cake for him. i was honestly very impressed.

 

cain velasquez is next ... and after him, they're all just probably get bigger and bigger.

 

i think it's time for the UFC to have a Super Heavyweight category. these guys are waaay too HUGE to be classified as heavyweights.

[anatoly]

i really thought that brock wasn't gonna make it past the 1st round but again this "work-in-progress" seems to prove everyone wrong time and time again. and to finish it with a submission was definitely icing on the cake for him. i was honestly very impressed.

 

cain velasquez is next ... and after him, they're all just probably get bigger and bigger.

 

i think it's time for the UFC to have a Super Heavyweight category. these guys are waaay too HUGE to be classified as heavyweights.

maybe in 5-10 years time time (but i seriously doubt it), but definitely not now. let's face it, who are the heavyweights that could be super heavyweights currently in the ufc? the only 2 behemoths i can think of is carwin and lesnar. a division with only 2 fighters? pretty lame right?? dana white even said so himself that the possibility of a super heavyweight category was not feasible simply because there aren't that many to begin with.

 

and yes carwin and brock could easily be super heavyweights, but that's where the art of cutting weight comes in. the athletes nowadays have it down to a science which is why someone like brock could make the 265 weight limit (before anyway) and come close to 300lbs come fight night. tito ortiz is probably the best example when it comes to cutting weight. he makes the 205 limit but comes in the cage looking like a heavyweight.

[djrs]

atleast the ref did a great job that night! after beaten up the first round he is still breathing normally compare to carwin... great job by the ref...... for not stopping the fight... he looks for the eyes of the fighter if the fighter is already KO'ed!

 

stop sourgraping now... he is the beast... the best...

 

REMATCH! REMATCH!

[kuya willie]

Health permitting, Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez could be UFC 119 headliner

 

UFC 119 could have a major championship headliner.

 

Following his UFC 116 title-unification victory over interim champion Shane Carwin, undisputed heavyweight champ Brock Lesnar (5-1 MMA, 4-1 UFC) now could meet top contender Cain Velasquez (8-0 MMA, 6-0 UFC) in the main event of September's UFC 119 event.

 

Prior to Saturday's event at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Lesnar and Carwin both were told by UFC officials that the winner – health permitting – tentatively would meet Velasquez at UFC 119. That's according to a report from MMAjunkie.com's (www.mmajunkie.com) Dann Stupp in his weekly Dayton Daily News "MMA Insider" column.

 

Although not officially announced by the organization, UFC 119 takes place Sept. 25 at Conseco Fieldhouse in Indianapolis.

 

Lesnar's team and UFC officials are expected to discuss the possibility of the UFC 119 slot this week.

 

Lesnar suffered some damage in a first round dominated by Carwin's ground and pound. In fact, two judges award him the round via scores of 10-8. However, he recovered in the second and secured an via arm-triangle choke to submit Carwin. Lesnar attended the night's post-fight conference and suggested he had no serious injuries, which makes a potential UFC 119 meeting a real possibility.

 

UFC 119, of course, is in desperate need of a main event. With the organization's busy late-summer/fall schedule, few top draws and headline-worthy fighters are available for the event, which marks the UFC's debut in the state of Indiana.

 

Lesnar certainly would give the show a boost. His fight with Carwin is likely to produce approximately 1 million pay-per-view buys, according to UFC president Dana White, and many consider the former WWE star the world's new top-ranked heavyweight following former kingpin Fedor Emelianenko's recent loss to Strikeforce fighter Fabricio Werdum.

 

After UFC 116, White confirmed the UFC's plans to give Velasquez the next title shot. The undefeated American Kickboxing Academy fighter earned his title shot with six consecutive UFC victories, including back-to-back knockouts of Ben Rothwell and former title-holder Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira.

[geneticfreak]

atleast the ref did a great job that night! after beaten up the first round he is still breathing normally compare to carwin... great job by the ref...... for not stopping the fight... he looks for the eyes of the fighter if the fighter is already KO'ed!

 

REMATCH! REMATCH!

 

Let me just make a bit of a clarification on this...

 

You see sometimes a fighter doesn't even have to be dazed or have his eyes rolled back into his head for the ref to call a stop to a bout. It is all dependent on whether the fighter is still defending himself intelligently or not in the ref's eyes.

 

First off let us give credit where credit is due Yes Rosenthal did an excellent job by giving Brock the benefit of the doubt during that first round manhandling given to him by Carwin. Believe me some other ref would have called it off after all those unanswered strikes. I have seen it happen in our three local professional MMA promotions and even in the UFC.

 

Case in point: in one of the more recent Fearless fighting championship (FFC) events a fighter was served a TKO after balling up and not answering to strikes. After the decision was rendered and both fighters were stood up the fighter who had previously been raining hammer fists actually looked the worse for wear than the one who was on the receiving end of the hammer fists (much like how Carwin looked after the first round).

 

If a fighter balls up like that and covers up, a ref isn't always in the position to check his eyes and see whether he is already knocked out or not, in those cases the ref's discretion becomes the difference on whether we go to a further round or a TKO decision.

 

And yeah I would love to see a rematch. For two reasons. First off I am interested to see how Carwin adjusts and secondly I am really looking forward to seeing what new techniques Brock has added to his ever expanding arsenal.

 

Brock's demonstrated that he's got the athleticism and learning curve very similar to GSP and if that is the case then he is gonna hold that belt for a very long time much like GSP.

 

Cain Velasquez though might have something to say about that first.

[kuya willie]

His wrestling is his greatest strength but his tactical advantage against Brock would be first his speed (I think Cain of Course will be lighter on his fee since he is the smaller man) and two his standup (we all saw how well Cain mixed up his strikes against Noguiera). When he fights Brock, unless Brock is really really worn out due to strikes I don't think Cain will wrestle with him let alone clinch with him. He will probably employ a strike and get out of the way strategy ala Lyoto Machida and just defend the takedowns (which I think he can as long as he does not get pressed against the fence). If he works with angles Brock might find a bit of trouble in trying to impose his weight on him.

 

Carwin does have all the physical tools to beat Brock... Heck as I said the fight could have gone his way had there been a different referee. In MMA there are only a certain number of unanswered strikes a ref will usually allow before declaring that a fighter is no longer defending himself. If a fighter just balls up like what Brock did a normal ref will allow about 6-8 unanswered strikes before getting in there and stopping it. If memory serves me right Carwin landed even more than that while Brock was just there with his forearms raised to protect his face.

 

Carwin's gonna be back. and if he ever gets a rematch he will intelligently pace himself the next time.

 

One thing I would also like to point out to is with regards to Brock's BJJ I'm impressed he was able to keep his guard all the time while Carwin was raining down shots. Had Carwin been able to advance from half guard into either mount or side control he would have really been in trouble.

 

 

 

Cain has the speed edge, Brock has an explosive edge and their MMA wrestling is close enough… this fight will be about strength vs Cardio. Cain has way better technique on the feet but he has T-rex arms which Brock can nullify with reach and clinch. But if Brock Grabbed him and put him on his back in the early rounds, its over for Cain

[Olympus]

First off let us give credit where credit is due Yes Rosenthal did an excellent job by giving Brock the benefit of the doubt during that first round manhandling given to him by Carwin. Believe me some other ref would have called it off after all those unanswered strikes. I have seen it happen in our three local professional MMA promotions and even in the UFC.

 

It was a good call since brock was still able to defend intelligently. If it was another ref (like Miragliotta) that would have been stopped for sure..

 

and yes, there are a lot of controversial calls in MMA bouts about "defending intelligently"