Mixed Martial Arts

[El Chapo]

I think Paulo Thiago, Kosh and Daley are much more dangerous opponents for GSP than Hardy. But then GSP can negate their explosive punches. So we need a striker with a godly takedown defense to beat gsp.

 

 

@ Carwin

Woww ^^ didn't expect the fight would end just like that. Pure power short punches, he's a monster. I will love too see Brock eating those punches

[Chet213]

Carwin got lucky, Brock Lesnras bad as he is.. i dont think their in the same league to begin with.. nevertheless this is gonna be a good fight.

[JustSmile=)]

4) The Palhares Submission (heel hook) might be looked upon a lot closer by the UFC management...

 

Remember what happened to former title contender Renato 'Babalu' Sobral... Did not release the submission immediately after the tap and got suspended. I didn't think there was no malicious intent on Palhares' part but still they might look at the tape and give him a warning or something.

Palhares was suspended by the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board for 90 days for not releasing the hold. IMO, the referee should be blamed for that, he just waited for the referee to stop the fight.

 

The Sobral incident was different because of the post-fight interview. Palhares was apologetic for his actions unlike Babalu who was proud and told that he did it intentionally.

 

That heel hook was nasty. Drwal was scraming in agony right from the start and even after he released the hold. Im sure the case to ban the heel hook would surface again. Some organizations have banned the heel hook as a submission.

 

Now we know why Hendo did not want any part of Palhares' ground game. 5 of his 11 wins via heel hook. I hope we get to see Maia against Palhares after Anderson beats Demian.

[Olympus]

Palhares was suspended by the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board for 90 days for not releasing the hold. IMO, the referee should be blamed for that, he just waited for the referee to stop the fight.

 

Yes the ref should have been quicker.. A fighter's mentality is not to let go until the ref tells him to or the ref yanks him away from his opponent..

 

Just my 2 cents, even the Mir Carwin fight was stopped a bit late

 

 

Carwin got lucky, Brock Lesnras bad as he is.. i dont think their in the same league to begin with.. nevertheless this is gonna be a good fight.

 

I wouldn't say he got lucky... he executed a very smart game plan, which was to pressure Mir against the cage and make him fight in the clinch since Mir has been known to get beaten in the clinch by stronger guys...

[anatoly]

I think Paulo Thiago, Kosh and Daley are much more dangerous opponents for GSP than Hardy. But then GSP can negate their explosive punches. So we need a striker with a godly takedown defense to beat gsp.

takedown defense you say?? how can you overlook kos?? if anything i think kos has the best chance of putting up a fight against GSP because of his wrestling credentials. he has KO power (as he has displayed in a number of fights) plus he's the closest thing to GSP in terms of pure athleticism. it's also worth noting he's the last fighter to win a round from GSP back in UFC 73.

 

he has improved his striking so much that he doesn't rely on his wrestling anymore. he may not be as technical as GSP but he more than makes up for it with his heavy hands. so bottom line i don't think you're giving kos enough credit. if he can get by daley (and i'm assuming he will) then imo he should be next in line for the title shot.

 

Carwin got lucky, Brock Lesnras bad as he is.. i dont think their in the same league to begin with.. nevertheless this is gonna be a good fight.

how can you say he got lucky?? mir was just standing there against the cage so it was only a matter of time before he got hit by a big (but short) shot.

Edited March 29, 2010 by jimmii

[Olympus]

I just think its time for GSP to move up to 170

[Igniz]

UFC 112: INVINCIBLE

New ten minute trailer of the next UFC ppv, UFC 112. Silva will be heading back down to Middleweight to defend his title against the dangerous bjj artist Damien Maia. Bj Penn tries to go for 3 straight as he defends his Lightweight crown against Franke Edgar, who will try to pull the big upset. If that was not enough this card also features two legends going at it as the former

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyPeppJJVyg?hl=en_US&fs=1

[DLuffy]

lakas ni carwin..men gulpi ang inabot ni mirr

kailan po ba ung ufc 112?maglalaban na ba nun sila brock at carwin?

[anatoly]

I just think its time for GSP to move up to 170

you mean 185

[geneticfreak]

Carwin got lucky, Brock Lesnras bad as he is.. i dont think their in the same league to begin with.. nevertheless this is gonna be a good fight.

 

Got lucky ei? Not in the same league?

 

Let me first remind you that Frank Mir is a former two time UFC heavyweight Champion, he was the first person to ever score a KO victory against Noguiera and currently holds the only win against the current UFC champion Brock Lesnar. He's dangerous in almost all areas of the game but... Carwin had the perfect game plan for him.

 

The knockout was a result of a brilliant game plan... Shane probabbly knew that taking him down and pressing him up against the fence was the best way to deal with him ala what Brock did... but hey the bigger stronger Frank Mir who's put on more than 20 lbs of muscle the last couple of months is a lot harder to take down and so he did the next best thing... He still pressed him against the cage ala Randy 'the Natural' Couture and used the dirty boxing to hurt him. The clinch actually allowed him to be in that area where he had an advantage and Mir didn't have anything... he couldn't use his hips to squiggle out of the dangerous position unlike whe he's on his back and in the clinch Shane knew he still had the power to knock him out.

 

Now as far as Shane and Brock being in the same league goes... lets look at the facts.

 

Shane has more professional MMA fights than Brock Lesnar. Their about the same size and build. Wrestling credentials are about the same. Brock's a two time Division 1 NCAA all american and Shane's a two time NCAA division 2 all american. So they're actually pretty similar when it comes to background (apart from the fact that Brock did the 'fake' wrestling too for a while. hehe).

 

To get a bit of a simulation of how the fight could go. Lets take a look at the only professional MMA fight Brock has had so far with a wrestler who has about the same caliber as he is... And that fight would be the one he had with former olympic alternate and former UFC heavyweight and light heavyweight champ Randy 'the Natural' Couture.

 

If many of us would recall correctly the wrestling was pretty even in that fight neither of em really got the other down via takedown, Brock did hit randy with a grazing right hand which knocked him onto his side before he finally GNP'd him en route to the UFC title.

 

Some factors to consider though... First Randy was and always has been a small heavyweight. Second despite being this 'small' heavyweight Randy was actually able to control and press Brock into the cage several times during the fight and use the dirty boxing (he actually nearly had him down a couple of times with a single... Brock was just too darn big and the defense was too good).

 

And so we are left to ponder what if... just what if Carwin could do what he did to Mir to Brock in their title fight? Given his weight (and his power) would he get the same result as Randy did? Both of em are clearly heavy handed but who's better in the clinch? If they decide not to tie up and just slug it out who can land the big shot first?

 

Bottomline the fight has so many possibilities but heck saying that Carwin is not in the same league as Brock now that's just not right in my opinion. He belongs in there with him and I think it'd be a heck of a fight.

Edited March 30, 2010 by geneticfreak

[kuya willie]

UFC 116- Carwin vs Lesnar

 

July 3 ,2010

 

WAR CARWIN!!!!!

 

and Cain V will get the winner of that fight in November

[Olympus]

Got lucky ei? Not in the same league?

 

Let me first remind you that Frank Mir is a former two time UFC heavyweight Champion, he was the first person to ever score a KO victory against Noguiera and currently holds the only win against the current UFC champion Brock Lesnar. He's dangerous in almost all areas of the game but... Carwin had the perfect game plan for him.

 

The knockout was a result of a brilliant game plan... Shane probabbly knew that taking him down and pressing him up against the fence was the best way to deal with him ala what Brock did... but hey the bigger stronger Frank Mir who's put on more than 20 lbs of muscle the last couple of months is a lot harder to take down and so he did the next best thing... He still pressed him against the cage ala Randy 'the Natural' Couture and used the dirty boxing to hurt him. The clinch actually allowed him to be in that area where he had an advantage and Mir didn't have anything... he couldn't use his hips to squiggle out of the dangerous position unlike whe he's on his back and in the clinch Shane knew he still had the power to knock him out.

 

Now as far as Shane and Brock being in the same league goes... lets look at the facts.

 

Shane has more professional MMA fights than Brock Lesnar. Their about the same size and build. Wrestling credentials are about the same. Brock's a two time Division 1 NCAA all american and Shane's a two time NCAA division 2 all american. So they're actually pretty similar when it comes to background (apart from the fact that Brock did the 'fake' wrestling too for a while. hehe).

 

To get a bit of a simulation of how the fight could go. Lets take a look at the only professional MMA fight Brock has had so far with a wrestler who has about the same caliber as he is... And that fight would be the one he had with former olympic alternate and former UFC heavyweight and light heavyweight champ Randy 'the Natural' Couture.

 

If many of us would recall correctly the wrestling was pretty even in that fight neither of em really got the other down via takedown, Brock did hit randy with a grazing right hand which knocked him onto his side before he finally GNP'd him en route to the UFC title.

 

Some factors to consider though... First Randy was and always has been a small heavyweight. Second despite being this 'small' heavyweight Randy was actually able to control and press Brock into the cage several times during the fight and use the dirty boxing (he actually nearly had him down a couple of times with a single... Brock was just too darn big and the defense was too good).

 

And so we are left to ponder what if... just what if Carwin could do what he did to Mir to Brock in their title fight? Given his weight (and his power) would he get the same result as Randy did? Both of em are clearly heavy handed but who's better in the clinch? If they decide not to tie up and just slug it out who can land the big shot first?

 

Bottomline the fight has so many possibilities but heck saying that Carwin is not in the same league as Brock now that's just not right in my opinion. He belongs in there with him and I think it'd be a heck of a fight.

 

Some things to consider:

 

1. As shown in their previous fights, Carwin is a bit more comfortable standing than Brock is

 

2. He was also one of Randy Couture's training partners when Randy was preparing for Brock, so don't be surprised if they partner up again ( I actually won't be surprised if Mir volunteers to help Carwin)

 

3. Brock is a more straightforward attacker in terms of attempting a takedown.

 

So yes, to say they're not in the same league is not quite right and based on stats, Carwin finished off Mir easier than Brock did

[Chet213]

Got lucky ei? Not in the same league?

 

Let me first remind you that Frank Mir is a former two time UFC heavyweight Champion, he was the first person to ever score a KO victory against Noguiera and currently holds the only win against the current UFC champion Brock Lesnar. He's dangerous in almost all areas of the game but... Carwin had the perfect game plan for him.

 

The knockout was a result of a brilliant game plan... Shane probabbly knew that taking him down and pressing him up against the fence was the best way to deal with him ala what Brock did... but hey the bigger stronger Frank Mir who's put on more than 20 lbs of muscle the last couple of months is a lot harder to take down and so he did the next best thing... He still pressed him against the cage ala Randy 'the Natural' Couture and used the dirty boxing to hurt him. The clinch actually allowed him to be in that area where he had an advantage and Mir didn't have anything... he couldn't use his hips to squiggle out of the dangerous position unlike whe he's on his back and in the clinch Shane knew he still had the power to knock him out.

 

Now as far as Shane and Brock being in the same league goes... lets look at the facts.

 

Shane has more professional MMA fights than Brock Lesnar. Their about the same size and build. Wrestling credentials are about the same. Brock's a two time Division 1 NCAA all american and Shane's a two time NCAA division 2 all american. So they're actually pretty similar when it comes to background (apart from the fact that Brock did the 'fake' wrestling too for a while. hehe).

 

To get a bit of a simulation of how the fight could go. Lets take a look at the only professional MMA fight Brock has had so far with a wrestler who has about the same caliber as he is... And that fight would be the one he had with former olympic alternate and former UFC heavyweight and light heavyweight champ Randy 'the Natural' Couture.

 

If many of us would recall correctly the wrestling was pretty even in that fight neither of em really got the other down via takedown, Brock did hit randy with a grazing right hand which knocked him onto his side before he finally GNP'd him en route to the UFC title.

 

Some factors to consider though... First Randy was and always has been a small heavyweight. Second despite being this 'small' heavyweight Randy was actually able to control and press Brock into the cage several times during the fight and use the dirty boxing (he actually nearly had him down a couple of times with a single... Brock was just too darn big and the defense was too good).

 

And so we are left to ponder what if... just what if Carwin could do what he did to Mir to Brock in their title fight? Given his weight (and his power) would he get the same result as Randy did? Both of em are clearly heavy handed but who's better in the clinch? If they decide not to tie up and just slug it out who can land the big shot first?

 

Bottomline the fight has so many possibilities but heck saying that Carwin is not in the same league as Brock now that's just not right in my opinion. He belongs in there with him and I think it'd be a heck of a fight.

 

I meant hes not in the same league as Brock..

 

too bad for Mir he prepared himself to go 5 rounds, thats why he was pacing himself.. didnt expect the flurry to come early.

 

a few short handed shots here and there and next thing you know hes out cold.

[geneticfreak]

I meant hes not in the same league as Brock..

 

too bad for Mir he prepared himself to go 5 rounds, thats why he was pacing himself.. didnt expect the flurry to come early.

 

a few short handed shots here and there and next thing you know hes out cold.

 

Again, paano ngang Shane Carwin is not in the same league as Brock when una I already did a blow by blow account of their amateur wrestling credentials and they are almost the same. Pangalawa Carwin even has more professional MMA fights than Lesnar.

 

And lastly as Olympus pointed out Shane took out Frank Mir, former two time UFC heavyweight champion much easier than how Brock Lesnar did.

 

Can you even explain why the heck you keep saying this???

[Chet213]

Again, paano ngang Shane Carwin is not in the same league as Brock when una I already did a blow by blow account of their amateur wrestling credentials and they are almost the same. Pangalawa Carwin even has more professional MMA fights than Lesnar.

 

And lastly as Olympus pointed out Shane took out Frank Mir, former two time UFC heavyweight champion much easier than how Brock Lesnar did.

 

Can you even explain why the heck you keep saying this???

 

Shane Carwin isnt too well tuned on the ground game to begin with... most of his wins came standing up rather than on the mat

 

now ive seen carwins win on submissions, but for a big guy he doesnt move just as fast. Brock does, considering the heft that he carries...