Mixed Martial Arts

[anatoly]

i dunno boss Mike Swick ain't no pushover if you ask me, but yeah we can wait for Big Dog Almeida to get used to 170 and tear up the division until he runs into GSP

yeah i know he's no pushover, but i'd like to see him take on a top welterweight first like alves/kos/fitch or maybe even matt hughes. let's face it, since he dropped down to welterweight he hasn't really fought any of the big names yet. so i believe doing so would reveal whether or not he's amongst the top fighters in the division.

 

i'm really not sure about Cain Velasquez chief, he really had a hard time with Kongo as well, i won't really say that he got his butt handed to him by Cain as Cain was eating power shots one after the other he just got lucky with the takedowns and was able to recover, but i doubt if he can withstand dual lunchboxes attached to Brock's arms...

yeah i know cain ate quite a few big shots, but i wouldn't say he was eating power shots one after the other. i wouldn't say he was lucky with the takedowns either, because he is a superb wrestler. so apart from those big punches he got hit with, he dominated the fight from start to finish in my opinion. kongo just had no answer to cain's superior wrestling. you can expect the cain camp to improve on his head movement to avoid such things happening again. who knows maybe he won't recover as quickly the next time he gets tagged lol

[anatoly]

Anyone who knows the date of showing of TUF 10? I saw it at balls unfortunately I could not remember exactly...

sep 22 if i remember correctly

[SevenZeroFive]

(re: Swick)

From what I've read on the various news sites that I go to Swick is lobbying for a fight with Hughes, and for good reason. Look at what happened to Thiago Alves. When he TKO'd Hughes he skyrocketed up the rankings to become #1 contender. If Swick defeats Hughes - and he will, trust me - he'll legitimize his stake atop the top 5 at 170. The only problem is, if he doesn't get the Hughes fight. Say Hughes gets a 3rd shot at Dennis Hallman, who does Swick fight? The only option that I can think of is Carlos Condit, provided he wins at UFN 19. He'll never fight Fitch or Koscheck since they are all teammates at AKA, unless Dana - or worse, Lorenzo Fertitta - gives him an ultimatum.

 

(re: Heavyweight Contenders)

I actually have a beef with the Lesnar - Carwin title fight. Shane hasn't fought elite competition yet, and the only reason he got the call is because of his beef with Lesnar. If I was Joe Silva, I would've strongly lobbied for Velasquez, even though he apparently has a suspect chin. Sure, Cain did dominate Kongo throughout their fight, but as far as striking is concerned, if Cain fought someone else - say, Frank Mir or Ben Rothwell, maybe Cro Cop - and he gets rocked, he'll get finished. The only saving grace for Cain was that Kongo wasn't fast enough to pounce on Cain when he got knocked down, and Kongo didn't know how to counter Cain's wrestling.

 

Let's let the Lesnar - Carwin fight pass, then let's talk about who should be next. Mir is hinting on Kongo as his next fight, but the populace is starting to ask for a rematch with Big Nog. The winner of Cro Cop - Cigano will skyrocket up the rankings, then we also have Cain fighting Rothwell at 104. And Anderson Silva is also hinting on going heavy.

 

(re: Belfort & Karate)

I agree with what Vitor said about the difference with karate. He's right in saying that karate as a base for striking is more relaxed, because when you look at kickboxers and muay players they look so intense, then when you look at Lyoto and his stance it's like he's just standing there. It's not like sport karate where you see the players bounce around, kinda like how taekwondo is. In full contact karate matches, like in Shotokan tournaments or others like the Sabaki Challenge, talagang full contact and they just stand still. No bouncing around like in sport karate, and that helps the fighters being balanced and relaxed.

 

The main difference for me is the preparation for the strikes. In kickboxing, boxing, and muay, especially if the fighter isn't a purebred striker (mainly a grappler who learned how to strike), punches and kicks are slightly easier to telegraph. Whereas in karate, from the stance itself, it requires little to no prep at all, and judging on how Lyoto strikes, it's even faster than Anderson's. So, combine the speed and unpredictability of karate with the aggression and power of either kickboxing, boxing, or muay thai, and you have a perfect striking skill set.

[kendimann]

ahh ganun ba kala ko kasi si minotouro kalaban niya eh sayang

magaling pa naman si nugiera (spelling is wrong alam ko)

 

i think nogueira will challange the winner of the brock vs. carwin fight

 

can anyone defeat brock???

 

indeed. his chin was never tested before. lets see his next fight since carwin is known for his KO abilities

[anatoly]

oh yeah that's right. i forgot that swick was teammates w/ those guys at AKA my bad. but yeah i agree w/ your point about matt hughes

 

i actually like the carwin-lesnar matchup. i mean yeah apart from gonzaga, carwin hasn't had a fight against a decent-caliber heavyweight but the fact that he's just as big and maybe just as athletic as brock makes not just for a great draw but also for a great fight. and by putting carwin against lesnar, that also keeps cain in title contention where he'll face the winner of carwin/brock assuming he wins his next fight.

brock actually had it the same way when he faced couture for the HW belt. and we all know brock didn't deserve such an early title shot. but business is business.

[El Chapo]

tagal naman i-announce main event ng UFC 105

[SevenZeroFive]

tagal naman i-announce main event ng UFC 105

 

Supposedly, it was Michael Bisping against Wanderlei Silva. That was scrapped because Silva had facial surgery. Instead, Bisping will face Denis Kang (32-11-1). Another confirmed matchup, and a more important matchup, is the "Outlaw" Dan Hardy - "Stungun" Dong Hyun Kim fight. Whoever wins will make some significant ripples on the 170 talent pool.

 

From the looks of what has been rumored for 105, they're gonna load the card - top to bottom - with UK talent, since the event's gonna be in Manchester. One rumor though that just popped up was a fight involving former #1 middleweight contender Dan Henderson. Originally, the rumors was that he's set to face new UFC signee Antonio Rogerio "Lil Nog" Noguiera (17-3-0), but Noguiera is now set to make his UFC debut against Luiz Arthur "Banha" Cane in 106. Now the rumors - and it's pretty close to being confirmed according to some news outlets - is that Hendo is set to face Nate Marquardt.

Edited September 12, 2009 by SevenZeroFive

[SevenZeroFive]

You want your day wrecked early? Read what Manny Pacquiao's boss Bob Arum has to say about MMA in general:

 

"For me, I look at the UFC audience and the boxing audience as being two different audiences entirely," Arum told Fanhouse's Ariel Helwani. "UFC are a bunch of skinhead white guys watching people in the ring who are also skinhead white guys."

 

When Helwani took offense at that characterization, stating that he covers MMA extensively and, as a Jew, was far from being a skinhead and wasn't covered in tattoos, Arum laughed and replied, "90% of the people in the audience wear tattoos. I don't care, that's up to them. But those are people who don't have any interest in boxing. They wouldn't."

 

Arum continued, "For me, and people like me, it is not something that they ever care to see. They've watched it, it's horrible, guys rolling around like homosexuals on the ground. It is not a sport that shows great great talent. The guys that throw punches can't throw punches to save their ass. When they land, they have no chin. These are not like boxers."

 

"These are good class guys who have built a terrific business but for me, MMA is garbage and junk," he said. "That's how I feel and for people in my generation, it's garbage and junk."

 

When Helmani pointed out that perhaps the differing opinions on the sport were a generational thing, Arum agreed that people of his generation aren't buying UFC pay-per-views, before adding, "Neither are the Mexicans. And the Filipinos. And the blacks."

 

First off, are any of you guys white? Are you guys skinheads? I'm not white, I'm with all of you guys who represent our version of Brown Pride. My hair's already grown to its normal status. And I LOVE mixed martial arts. Not just the UFC, the SPORT of mixed martial arts. He's being racist, and apparently he's very comfortable with it.

 

Second, I don't have an interest in boxing because of the s@%t Arum and his fellow douchebags pull on their events. Just ask Paulie Malignaggi. Click on the links and see how

and

(<- links right here), and here's Paulie talking about boxing's incurable death:

 

"I don't understand how Gale Van Hoy keeps getting jobs. ... Boxing has no f***ing integrity left. It's been happening for years. That's why this sport has no popularity left. That's why nobody watches this s**t, because every year, there are decisions like this and probably worse than this. ... People get f***ed constantly. Nobody watches boxing anymore because of s**t like this."

 

And, I don't have an interest in boxing, and Dana White says it best as to why I don't watch anymore:

 

"Boxing is doing it to you again," White said. "They're giving you the fight that you don't want. Nobody asked for this fight with Mayw eather and … what's his name? What's his name? Nobody even knows. Nobody in this room even knows who Floyd's fighting.

 

" … On that same night, on that UFC card, you guys can all tune in and you can watch not one fight, you guys can watch five great fights that night for ten dollars less than what Floyd wants you to pay to see him run around in circles, and lay on the ropes, and move around and not fight."

 

Third, calling MMA fans homosexual is already a slur, and you're supposed to be a top executive of a global brand? Way to go, Bobby Boy. You just buried boxing one feet deeper into its grave.

 

Fourth, calling the UFC "garbage" is irresponsible. Revenue-wise, they're up there. Frank Fertitta III (47 years old, Station Casinos CEO, Zuffa LLC co-owner), his brother Lorenzo (40 years old, Zuffa LLC co-owner, UFC Chairman & CEO), and Dana White (40 years old, Zuffa LLC co-owner and UFC President) raked in an estimated $250 million in 2008, and they only invested $2 million to complete the buyout from Robert Meyrowitz's Semaphore Entertainment Group. Imagine, from almost disappearing amidst increasing pressure to ban the sport, to raking in record numbers in PPV sales that's up there with World Wrestling Entertainment and the numerous boxing entities there is, for a measly $2 million? That's not garbage, Bobby Boy. That's sheer genius.

 

The numbers don't lie. Here's from Forbes.com and their article "Ultimate Cash Machine":

 

Price the Fertittas paid for UFC in 2001: $2 million

 

Value today: $1 billion-plus

 

UFC estimated 2008 sales: $250 million

 

UFC is estimated to control 90% of the mixed martial arts industry.

 

UFC pay-per-view buys in 2001: 145,000

 

UFC pay-per-view buys in 2007: 5.1 million

 

Lastly, what does he mean that the African-Americans, Mexicans, and Filipinos don't buy UFC PPV's? How does he know that? Doesn't he know that some of the elite fighters in the UFC roster, as well as Strikeforce and the other MMA promotions in the US, are either African-American or Hispanic? And we do have Pinoys fighting in MMA, like Brandon and Kerry Vera (UFC and Strikeforce, respectively), Philippe Nover, and Mark Munoz? The moment I read that, I had the answer right away as to why that is so. WE FILIPINOS GET THE UFC PAY-PER-VIEWS FOR FREE, YOU MORON. EVEN YOUR OWN PAY-PER-VIEWS, WE GET IT FOR FREE.

 

Bob Arum is an embarrassment to his company, the "sport" he represents, and to himself as an individual.

Edited September 12, 2009 by SevenZeroFive

[anatoly]

what the eff?! gee bob arum just ruined my beautiful sun morning...what an effing racist. boxing is great, its just sad that people like arum take away from the sport by saying crap like this. the boxing industry is all about money now. top competition has very little if not nothing to do with it now

[suffocater]

Report: Randy Couture vs Brandon Vera UFC 105 main event under consideration

 

Former heavyweight and light heavyweight champion, Randy Couture (16-10), could return to the 205-pound division to take on Brandon Vera (11-3) in the main event at UFC 105 from the Manchester Evening News (MEN) Arena in Manchester, England, on Nov. 14, according to The Sun.

 

The report indicates that UFC sources have confirmed the showdown, which was cobbled together when the lightweight championship match between division kingpin BJ Penn and number one contender Diego Sanchez was booked for UFC 107 on Dec. 12 to compensate for the postponed fight between Quinton “Rampage” Jackson and Rashad Evans.

 

In fact, the report indicates that Evans turned down the opportunity to challenge “The Natural,” forcing the promotion to seek “The Truth.”

 

More on this breaking news shortly.

 

UFC 105 will feature hometown hero, Michael “The Count” Bisping, in the co-main event opposite Denis Kang, as well as a welterweight battle between Dan Hardy and Dong Hyun “Stun Gun” Kim. It will air on Spike TV at 9 p.m. ET on fight night.

[SevenZeroFive]

^^^

 

So far, I have MMA Mania (suffocater's source), Bloody Elbow, and Cage Potato posting that story on their websites. None yet on the other major news sites like MMA Fanhouse, SI.com, Yahoo! Sports, Sherdog, MMA Weekly, and MMA Junkie. I'll give this more time, and based on Bloody Elbow's report that both Couture & Vera's camps have confirmed the offer, I'll give more time for this. The reason for that is, The Sun hasn't been that reliable when it comes to breaking news, and being a UK tabloid they're accustomed to fabricate stories to grab readers' attention. Let's give this more time, or better yet, I'll ask Brandon on his Facebook account if the rumors are true.

[SevenZeroFive]

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^^ hehe, guess who? Wanderlei, or Wanderlei's dad? LOL

[El Chapo]

^lol Teh Axe Murderah

[_eRon_]

i know a lot will back the natural in this fight but we all should be for Filipino pride, di ba? go vera!

[SevenZeroFive]

^lol Teh Axe Murderah

 

Hehe, click HERE and watch the vid.. It's Wanderlei in his early PRIDE days, and the picture I posted is that of his dad.. =)

 

Oh, and OH MY GOD!!! Couture vs. Vera?! Holy flying monkey crap. LABAN PINOY!!

 

One more thing, here's Team Golden Glory boss Bas Boon on their stable of fighters possibly breaking away from Strikeforce after the M-1 deal:

 

"It hasn't escaped my notice that we are dealing with a bunch of crooks who wish to brand their name onto someone who has managed to build up a successful organization on his own with a good network deal."

 

"Our deal with Strikeforce was made before this bunch of robbers came along, but now we were planning on asking our money in advance. In fact, I see this as the ideal opportunity to say no to the contract that was signed earlier; we don't want to fight on any M-mini Cons & co promotions."

 

"Is this the same organization that let Tommy Depret fly to America for nothing without having the decency to phone him to let him know it was cancelled?"

 

"I wonder what happens if Fedor loses a couple of times, or can't fight due to circumstances, to all those enforced `Co-Promotions` that do not benefit the fighters in any way."

 

Them's fighting words, Mr. Bas not known as Rutten. But how about your top boy Alistair Overeem not defending his Strikeforce Heavyweight Title for almost 2 YEARS while still taking fights for K-1 on that same timeframe? Hmmm....

Edited September 14, 2009 by SevenZeroFive