Mixed Martial Arts

[ray004]

Ronda Rousey has no "plan b" against Holly Holm. Like her mother said, Tarverdyan is a poor coach/trainer.

[gwapingsz1]

Ronda Rousey has no "plan b" against Holly Holm. Like her mother said, Tarverdyan is a poor coach/trainer.

 

Yes. Not sure why you will tell your fighter that she did well when in reality she took a beating during the first round. Ronda could not hold on Holm on the ground and the left straight of Holm was landing at will.

[Edmund Dantes]

Ronda Rousey has an ego bigger than the United States and that brutal loss is devastating and demoralizing to her ego. She actually believes that she is unbeatable. I had a feeling Holly Holm would beat her in the stand-up but, I thought, if Ronda gets her to the ground, she would be submitted. I was both right and wrong at the same time. I was right that Holly would outclass Ronda in the standup but I was so wrong when I thought that when the fight went to the ground, Holly would be submitted. Ronda had 2 chances to get Holly to the ground. The first attempt was neutralized by Holly as she was able to escape an arm bar attempt and in the second attempt by Ronda, Holly's technique made her outmaneuver Ronda and that was the beginning of the end for Ronda since the only real chance Rousey was gonna beat Holm was the arm bar. That escape by Holly must have been debilitating to the psyche of Ronda who must have thought that no one could escape that predicament. Holly came very well-prepared and her coaches should be given credit for getting her ready.

 

I agree that the same thing will happen in a rematch because Ronda's striking is still light years away from Holly's. Holly was a world champ in boxing in three weight classes so that tells you the gulf in the striking of the two fighters. Moreover, I think there is no trick of Ronda on the ground that Holly won't be able to neutralize. Greg Jackson obviously had her ready for any Rousey technique on the ground. Lastly, Holly has been training with elite fighters in that gym like Cerrone, Jones, Condit, Felder, etc.

 

Looking back at all this, Ronda should have been the underdog here. Holm is a real deal fighting elite. She has been in the fight business way longer, and as you mentioned has also been a multiple champion. Ronda never had her chin tested. She talks about how she is the best fighter in the world when she never really defeated anyone who was considered "the best" at anything.

 

A lot of people commented how stupid she was to try to fight a striking game with an elite boxer.... But then again did her grappling help her that much? Magaling grapling coaches talaga ni Holm. Her grapling wont help her anymore than Carano's Muay Thai helped her against an elite Jiu Jitsu master like Cyborg Santos.

 

Oh well sabi ko nga, at least sikat na sya, she can always venture naman into acting. But as an elite...? Hmmmmm I dont really think she will comeback. Because now all of her future opponents know that her chin is vulnerable.... The way I see it, she was already KOed when that left landed on her face. The kick only made it more devastating. Kahit hindi na hinabol ng ground and pound hindi na sya tatayo dun

[Cap™]

According to Ronda, she will be back. The UFC is the one at fault here for labeling her the best fighter in the world even if her striking is suspect. Her striking was tested against a truly elite striker in Holly and Ronda failed miserably. There was no technique in her striking. Sugod lang ng sugod.

 

to be quite honest, I think Ronda had been labeled as such because Holly Holm looked like an old 34 and Ronda was at her physical prime at 28. Well, like how the cliche goes: looks can be deceiving. I'm actually more excited with Joanna Jedrzejczyk (had to open Wikipedia to type her surname lol) because her strikes are vicious.

[Mistress Mia]

Gina Carano fan here and yeah I think that Cyborg is stronger than Rhonda. Well in MMA (I used to play the game way back I was younger), you don't need power all the time. You gotta wait. You gotta be patient. Too much power are usually for short-tempered individuals. The one who's eager. Too bad for rhonda, she is used to finishing her games fast, she forgot to use her brain this time.

[Cap™]

wanting to finish the fight fast is for short-tempered individuals.

 

that is probably the case with Ronda. She got way too comfortable with fast fights. Honestly, perfect records aren't really a barometer in women's MMA just because there's only a handful of fighters. I'd still say that Ronda would bounce back after being humbled like that.

[Edmund Dantes]

According to Ronda, she will be back. The UFC is the one at fault here for labeling her the best fighter in the world even if her striking is suspect. Her striking was tested against a truly elite striker in Holly and Ronda failed miserably. There was no technique in her striking. Sugod lang ng sugod.

 

Regarding Gina Carano, it was Justino's power that was too much for Gina. In my opinion, the striking of Cyborg is way better than Ronda's. Furthermore, malakas talaga yung suntok ni Cyborg and yung lakas niya sa pagtakedown. Gina got ground and pounded but Gina was supposed to be saved by the bell. I think Gina could beat Cyborg in a rematch. Nasasabayan ni Gina si Cyborg sa ground. Cyborg tried to submit her but she countered well. Napuruhan lang talaga si Gina nun.

 

I think Cyborg vs. Holm would be a good idea since her striking has some technique to it. I think Holly will have the advantage but if Holly gets caught by a haymaker from Cyborg, she might get ground and pounded.

 

You are right Dana and his UFC inflated Rondas ego way too much. Someone should have said outloud that the emperor didnt have any clothes on. Ronda is good-looking and they wanted her to be the poster-girl for the UFC. She attracted new crowd. Let's face it, before her the UFC is not really so popular among female audience. I know she sort of predicted her own defeat with Holly, but it seems she her ego was deluding her in that fight. Thinking she could compete in a striking match against a legitimate world boxing champ.... ended up getting her ass handed over.

 

Cyborg will tear Ronda Rousey apart. He is the female Wanderlei Silva

[Cap™]

The only parallel to Ronda is Anderson Silva. Silva fell from grace hard and he hasn't regained that lost glory. I don't think he ever will.

 

yeah. an unheralded guy like Weidman beating him twice (with the second one being a gruesome TKO) made him lose it. I think Rousey's fall from grace wouldn't be like that but she'd delve into other stuff (i.e. WWE, acting), so I'd say she'd go the Rampage Jackson fall.

[Cap™]

Rampage Jackson got knocked out twice brutally by Wanderlei Silva in Pride FC. However, his star power is nowhere near the magnitude of Rousey and The Spider.

 

you got one thing right: his star power wasn't at par with Ronda's and Anderson's. But that's what would Ronda equate to if she gets keeping sidetracked: eventually go with movie roles and wane away.

[Edmund Dantes]

What a sore loser! Seriously? This is just pathetic! I thought she always called herself a warrior! Galing galing magtrash talk sa hype build up tapos nung natalo tago din pala ng mukha.

 

[filibustero]

How the mighty have fallen.

 

With proper preparation, training, and game plan I think Rousey still has a chance to bounce back. She needs to pick up new moves for her ground game from a different trainer. And get used to dodging or blocking lefts instead of eating them whole. Seriously. She aint injured like Anderson Silva was. Only her ego was crushed. Well, also her face.

[gwapingsz1]

Her ground game doesn't need any polishing. What needs serious polishing is her striking.

 

I believe there is always room for improvement.

Against Holm, Ronda had 2 opportunities to show more of her ground game. However, she failed to hold down Holly. The takedown of Holly where she was on top, Ronda had the chance to work from her guard but no, she preferred standing up. Honestly, I want to see Ronda work on her back and also see how effective her guard is.

Edited November 20, 2015 by gwapingsz1

[filibustero]

Her ground game doesn't need any polishing. What needs serious polishing is her striking.

 

Going for a striking match against a champion boxer really wouldn't be a good game plan for Rousey. That's how her face got smashed. Add to that Holm's devastating kicks. If anything, she should learn more how to defend against those. As for her ground game, she needs to put in more variety in her style because obviously Holm did het reasearch and was prepared for what Rousey's got.

[Guiness]

Off course it is, you always give the benefit of the doubt to the ex champ. Even if Rousey got beat, you still will favor her in the rematch although it might slightly lessen the odds a bit. Did Weidman get the odds when he beat Silva? Silva was still the odds on favorite coming into the rematch. Same with GSP and Matt Serra 2. GSP was still the favorite. And both champions lost to the challengers in the first match.

 

I could also add the Mike Tyson - Holyfiled 2 fight. Even if Tyson lost in the first fight, he was still the favorite coming into that 2nd fight. Oddsmakers will always favor the longtime champ because they consider the losses an anomaly, a fluke, lucky or whatever they deem it to be. Dana White said Rousey just had a bad night and expects her to come back. So the rematch will be interesting. If Holm beats Rousey again, then you can say that Holm is for real.

 

What got Holm the victory is to how she defended Rousey's clinch and hip throws. If you look at the fight, initially Rousey was standing up with Holm but was being countered every time she traded punches. So what does she do? She goes to her bread and butter, her Judo. But Holm really prepared for her defense of that.

 

Compared to the other fighters that Rousey fought, no one has ever hurt her with their striking. Zingano, Cupcake and Correia could not hurt her there and weren't that adept at defending her throws and takedowns.

 

No one in the world gave Holm a look coming into the fight. Even i didn't know anything about Holm until that fight happened, I was expecting Rousey to come in and finish the fight in 30 seconds or so with her arm bar submission. But was totally surprised Holm knocked her out.

 

What's interesting to see is if Rousey is able to figure out how to get Holm in the ground because I don't think she can hurt Holm standing up. She was aggresively looking to get Holm in the clinch but Holm cleverly kept her distance and clocked her a couple of times coming in. If Ronda is able to do it and take her down in the rematch then she can avenge that lost.

[Guiness]

Which is what I find idiotic. How can you favor someone who got clearly dominated and knocked out? I wouldn't mind if Rousey got beat by a lucky punch, which you can consider a fluke. However, Ronda was clearly dominated and knocked out brutally. Holly picked her apart and made Ronda look like an amateur in the cage.

 

I don't think Weidman's win in their first match was a fluke. Weidman took Silva down with ease. Weidman had Silva figured out. To make matters worse, Silva clowned around and, in my opinion, Weidman got inside his head, hence, the clowning around.

 

 

It's the track record mason, you always give the benefit to the track record and reputation of the fighter when you take into account on who you give the odds to. Case in point, the Weidman fight. When Weidman won by knockout against Silva. People said that Anderson was clowning around and he got caught. You said it yourself, that he was clowning around. So the fans thought including me (I'm a Silva Fan, still is) that Anderson got what he deserved and it was his hubris that is what brought him down. They said that Weidman got lucky with the punch and that Silva was playing around that's why he lost. That's why he was still given the odds on favor coming into the 2nd fight.

 

Let's play a role reversal here. But I'll use Pacquiao and Mayweather. Let's put Pacquiao in Ronda's role and say that he is the champ and he hasn't lost and has been dominating fights just like Ronda. Mayweather is in Holms' role. So start of the fight, Mayweather beats Pacquiao because he figured out that Pacquiao likes to brawl and is aggresive, so Mayweather cleverly figures out how to defend the aggressive inside game of Pacquiao and beats him just like Holm did with Rousey.

 

On their rematch will you give the odds on favor to Mayweather because he beat Pacquiao because he was totally dominated by Mayweather in the first fight?

 

I say no because if you take into account the track record of the fighter before the fight, Undefeated, has won in dominating fashion before this one fight. That's why oddsmakers still pick the ex champ and this is how i think they pick who the odds on favorite is based on this fact.

 

Going back to Rousey, I'm thinking her game plan is to be able to get close to Holm to get the advantage but it will be difficult given the fact that Holm will be expecting it. I almost forgot as well that Holm used her kicks effectively, she was actually chipping away on Ronda's inside leg with her side kicks. Something the other fighters that Ronda fought didn't do and now they probably know now seeing as it has some effect on Ronda.

 

But watching the fight, Holm outclassed Ronda in that fight. I might give the slight edge to Rousey again in the rematch because of how she responds to a fight. But if she comes into the rematch and she still can't figure out Holms' defense then I can say that Ronda flaw would be exposed because it would show that she can't defeat a fighter who has punching power and pretty good kickboxer. I can't even classify Holm as a Muai Thai specialist as she doesn't utilize the Thai clinch that much, she is more of a boxer but can mix it up with some pretty good kicks.

 

The 2nd fight will be interesting. I just want to see how Ronda would respond to a fighter like Holly Holm.