Baraka Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Don't be confused, as you have implied in your premise, despite your best efforts that you continue to sin, those were all choices. Free will gives us choice on what to do, and that's the good thing about God, he gives us all a choice. It's really up on our choice if we want to enter heaven or hell. Getting to heaven and hell is basically in the bible and have more studies about it. Anyway, and that's what God's will is all about. God's will is actually being misunderstood by many. God's will is that all His teachings would be followed and what the Word of God (bible) says. Now, God's leaves us the decision to follow His will or not, now that's the decision we humans have to make. Now, if despite my best efforts not to sin, I continue to sin and eventually am destined not to enter into God's kingdom, then even before I was born, God already knew what my destiny would be. My efforts not to sin were all in vain. My free will becomes inconsequential. I admit I am confused by all these. What can I do but beg for mercy when asked by God after I die "justify yourself." I cannot justify myself. Only ask for mercy. Hanggang doon nalang ako. Quote Link to comment
Fusarium_jimini Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 1365560793[/url]' post='8598747']Don't be confused, as you have implied in your premise, despite your best efforts that you continue to sin, those were all choices. Free will gives us choice on what to do, and that's the good thing about God, he gives us all a choice. It's really up on our choice if we want to enter heaven or hell. Getting to heaven and hell is basically in the bible and have more studies about it. Anyway, and that's what God's will is all about. God's will is actually being misunderstood by many. God's will is that all His teachings would be followed and what the Word of God (bible) says. Now, God's leaves us the decision to follow His will or not, now that's the decision we humans have to make. Well said sir. I think me and Bugatti can agree with this. It actually ends the argument of predestination versus free will. Couldn't have said it better sir. Thanks! Quote Link to comment
Lord Superb Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Nice discussion here, peeps. The topic reminds me of a question I asked my friends once: What's the use of praying if things happen for a reason? I once read this esoteric book written by a student of a Russian mystic. His teacher cited a great example that bridges the two opposing forces: Suppose God is an architect. He has all the power to choose the structure of the house, how to build it, what materials to use, the location it will be on and so forth. He can do all those things. What He has no control over is how the residents of the house are going to lead their lives, whether they will obey His laws or not, whether they will love each other or not. That's totally up to them. He has done His job and so must they. Quote Link to comment
sonnyt111 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Who's will should be followed? God's will, or a person's free will? If God's will should be followed, then pre-destination reigns supreme. Yet, I don't see a conflict here. What's important is to align one's free will with God's will. Then everything will be in total harmony. One's free will must be accordance with God's will. Quote Link to comment
Bugatti Veyron Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Who's will should be followed? God's will, or a person's free will? If God's will should be followed, then pre-destination reigns supreme. Yet, I don't see a conflict here. What's important is to align one's free will with God's will. Then everything will be in total harmony. One's free will must be accordance with God's will. Amen! Quote Link to comment
Guest demon nick fury Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 As of this moment it's more of predestination for me. Quote Link to comment
Z Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 If I may and in support of a number prior posts. God has given us free will thus we create our own destiny. It is also His will for us to prosper through His Son and with the help of the Holy Spirit. Now regardless of what choice we make, He has foreknowledge of the end result (i.e. our 'destiny'). Even if we choose to disobey Him doesn't mean He loves us any less, in fact, He always gives us ample opportunity to choose Him again. His will is for our best interest - we are after all made unto His image. My 2 cents. Quote Link to comment
mrdetective Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Free will. We can't predict the future but we can create it. Quote Link to comment
Ocelot StPeter5858 alex195 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Free will Quote Link to comment
sonnyt111 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Whenever one prays the "Our Father" and one recites "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven", he/she advertently casts his vote for pre-destination. Because the word "thy" refers to God. God's will, not free will, reigns. Pre-destination is God's will. It was God's will that Judas betray Christ. Judas was pre-ordained to betray Christ before he was even born. He had no say in the matter. God chose him/pre-ordained him to fulfill the scriptures. Quote Link to comment
filibustero Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Doesn't matter. Whether you think events happen as a result of man's free will / action, or because it has been pre-determined by a Higher Being, is irrelevant. In the first place, there is no possible way to determine with certainty which is which and time travel, as of this day, is nothing but fantasy. There is only this truth: What happened, happened, and could not have happened any other way. Quote Link to comment
Fusarium_jimini Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 1377945970[/url]' post='8853497']Doesn't matter. Whether you think events happen as a result of man's free will / action, or because it has been pre-determined by a Higher Being, is irrelevant. In the first place, there is no possible way to determine with certainty which is which and time travel, as of this day, is nothing but fantasy. There is only this truth: What happened, happened, and could not have happened any other way. hmm, kinda like what Morpheus said to Neo/Mr. anderson in "The Matrix". 1 Quote Link to comment
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