The End of the American Century?

[camiar]

USA would remain a major global player. They have enough investments overseas. Pero China is doing the same thing,debt traps everywhere.

 

But yes, this may be the end for USA as the world leader if they dont handle the next few years right.

 

China, Brazil, India, and Russia will collectively rise to replace USA's global leadership.

 

The quality of future leaders of USA will determine whether the slide will be graceful or ignominious.

[lee sawyer]

Protesting the death of Floyd is one thing but looting, vandalizing and damaging property are another thing. These crooks should be punished by the police with extreme prejudice.

Edited June 8, 2020 by lee sawyer

[Juan Bird]

 

China, Brazil, India, and Russia will collectively rise to replace USA's global leadership.

 

The quality of future leaders of USA will determine whether the slide will be graceful or ignominious.

 

They will be a major player for awhile (certainly still A juggernaut of the Americas/Western Hemisphere) but their triumphant unipolar decades of the 1990s and 2000s are long gone! The sooner they make peace with this fact, the better off they would be! Look at how the UK learned to humbly accept that they were no longer a superpower in the years after World War II (which is why they started letting go of their colonies abroad like India, etc)!

Edited June 9, 2020 by Juan Bird

[xays99]

Protesting the death of Floyd is one thing but looting, vandalizing and damaging property are another thing. These crooks should be punished by the police with extreme prejudice.

 

You got all those people out there that are just looting and doing all those extra stuff. Idiots breaking into stores.. Well guess what? When they lift the quarantine measures and open the stores back up, the dumbasses that rob the sht out of those stores won’t have anything to shop in those stores when they open back up and that’s if they open back up. If they’re robbing those stores like that in your neighborhood then how the fk are people gonna shop for food for their kids? They live in the moment? Yeah that moment ain’t gonna feed anyone. With small business being closed and most are permanently closed, it’s baffling how stupid people are. Ya we gonna run out of food. Dismantling the police without a solid replacement will only make more business pull out of those area. And that’s gonna make people more angry and crazier. That’s when sht really hits the fan and I hope I’m wrong.

 

/endrant

[Kutitap 123]

USA will always remain the strongest country in the world.

[Maj Mujtaba]

Never underestimate the power of USA.

[camiar]

USA will always remain the strongest country in the world.

 

 

Never underestimate the power of USA.

 

Walang Forever.

 

World Powers rise and fall.

 

USA is still more powerful than any country in the world today, but it is showing signs of decay. Its government is getting more and more corrupt and ineffective, its society getting too dependent on luxury, easy life and privileged lifestyle, its economy getting too dependent on debts and production from other countries, and its military getting spread too thin across the globe.

 

What happened to the rise and fall of the Roman Empire will happen to USA.

 

What happened to the Great British Empire will happen to the USA.

 

Be on the lookout for the emerging world powers: Brazil, Russia, India, and China

[camiar]

SUPERPOWERS PLAYING MAHJONG

Right in front, the Asian lady with a tattoo on her back is China.

On the left, the lady full of concentration is Japan.

Dressed at the top looking sideways is USA.

Lying rather seductively is Russia.

The little girl standing by the side is Taiwan.

China "tripled" the Dong tiles (East Winds, this is a double up). This means that China has arisen with the circumstances (the winds); maybe that is the display of the "East Wind" missiles she possesses now. It looks like China is doing ok, but there is no clue about the other cards (tiles). Meanwhile she is up to no good under the table.

USA, appearing confident, is looking at Taiwan with an expression; perhaps to read from the look of Taiwan or to send some message.

Russia may appear indifferent but it is far from that. One leg is on USA and one hand is passing card(s) to China. They are some discreet exchanges going on.

Japan has all eyes on the cards, unaware of what others are doing.

Taiwan wears a red abdominal vest, maybe implying she is the last successor of the Chinese culture. She holds a tray of fruits in one hand and a fruit knife in the other, looking quietly at China with resentment. But she has no option. She is not in the game (a little girl too young to play the game?).

Dark clouds hang over the river outside the window implying tension over the straits separating Main Land China and Taiwan.

The portrait on the wall is interesting, mustache of Sun Yet Sun, the bare head of Chiang Kai Set, the face of Mao Tze Tong...

How the 4 ladies are dressed is also very interesting.

China bares her top, with panties and a skirt.

USA is almost fully dressed but bares her bottom.

Russia is left with only panties.

Japan naked.

These perhaps reflect the status of each nation;

The attire of USA appears to be most complete, probably because she is still the most powerful. Others are short of something here and there. Though USA is most presentable, she has nevertheless exposed her bottom (line). China and Russia look naked but keep their private parts covered.

We assume this is a stripping game where the loser removes a piece of clothing.

In this game, if China loses, she will be like Russia today... (broken up).

If USA loses, she will also be like Russia...

If Russia loses again, then she has nothing left...

And Japan is already left with nothing....

Russia may appear to have drawn an extra tile (by the rule of the game, she cannot complete the game i.e. cannot win) and is hanging on for nothing ... BUT she is actually exchanging tiles with China...

The other person hanging on is Japan since she has no more "chips". She is out of the game if she loses.

In conclusion:

USA is pretending. She looks most glorious but faces great dangers. If she loses this game, she loses her dominating position.

Russia has a leg each on a boat, most sly ... Her situation is a little like China after liberation (when the communist took over China), sometimes with the USSR and sometimes with USA. Due to her lack of self sufficiency, she has to yo-yo between two parties for survival and room of development.

China has many tiles but they are not in view. Does that imply China keeps her strengths under wrap? And she is exchanging tiles with Russia under the table.

USA can only guess from the expression of Taiwan what may be happening between China and Russia.

Japan looks ignorant as she continues to focus on her cards.

China’s hand (of tiles) is most unpredictable.

Poor Japan ... there are so many things happening around her. She has no chance of a win and she is out the moment she loses.

Taiwan keeps watch as a bystander. She sees all that transpired in the game and she understands. But she is not qualified to, nor capable of participating in the game. She has no right to speak. She is full of grievances and is utterly helpless. She can only be the maid, offering fruits to the winner(s).

The winner should be a pick between China or USA , there is little doubt about this. Then again if you notice, they are playing Chinese Mahjong, not Western Poker.

Playing with the rules of a Chinese game, what are the odds for USA?

Taken from : www.wuliaoo.com/2008-beijing.html

Edited June 16, 2020 by camiar

[camiar]

We will all die first. And all of your children and great great great great grandchildren will die first before it will happen. Then probably in the year 3025, the Philippines, your country, will be the strongest country in the world.

The Roman Empire lasted 600 years.

The British Empire lasted 400 years.

The Spanish Empire lasted almost the same at 400 years -- they started earlier than the British and also declined earlier.

The US started to become a world power in the late 19th century and catapulted to superpower status towards the end of WW2. It's been a superpower for less than 200 years, but is already showing cracks on its economy ans society. I doubt if they last another 100 years.

[Maj Mujtaba]

Everything is a SPECULATION.

 

Just like COVID19, there is no proven cure (vaccine) at this time.

[dungeonbaby]

I doubt you will outlast it, Camiar

[camiar]

I doubt you will outlast it, Camiar

No, I won't.

 

But the founders of USA had the foresight that the British Empire will not last forever and they, too, can rise as a superpower, to dislodge UK. And they did.

 

The Chinese leadership's foresight sees the same inevitable decline of the USA, and they are making moves to prepare their country to dislodge the American dominance.

 

And what to we do? Ever subservient to the mighty USA, we are only capable of preparing only as far as our own individual funerals (hence your witty remark ). It's because to our myopic view, USA is forever.

Edited June 27, 2020 by camiar

[dungeonbaby]

I don't remember there ever being a post in this thread claiming America would be forever. Even if we spoke in terms of half a century it would be a useless discussion as no one knows these things. There is no need to remind that in today's world a virus can topple strong economies. So let me be clear before all else, by no means is America perfect.

 

Here's the thing, where a mob is judge, jury, and executioner no culture or nation can survive. In the US right now "[h]istory is dead. Intelligence is weakness. Wisdom is scorned" (Charles Hurt, WT, 26 June 2020). But who is spreading this destructive culture? The left. Who is the left? Where'd this tidal wave of hate for everything that America stands for come from, who is funding and fueling it? I mean, CA Dems have just voted to end racism by bringing back racial preference for employment. Hahahahah! Can't make up this idiocy.

 

If Democrats win in November, yes China might have an in as it has deep ties with Biden. Why anyone in the world would celebrate this is a mystery, seeing as how China is an authoritarian state that tolerates no dissent. Filipinos who are concerned about China's encroachment on Philippine territories should be worried because a weak US means an even more unfettered advance on our vulnerable nation. We have no security and if you think we are a courageous people willing to die for our sovereignty you would be sadly mistaken. Lest you are tempted to think otherwise, you, as an intellectual and as "racially inferior" to Chinese, could not survive the CCP if it took over.

 

Preparing to dislodge American dominance? Is that what was happening that last trade deal with Trump before they unleashed the wuhan virus? Or are you referring to covid as a war strategy?

 

China can only take the reigns with deceit. Isn't that what they've been doing all along? Spying, stealing, bullying, and lying. Oh these endless lies they peddle. You can hate America, but at least be realistic on what would happen to the world, to the Philippines, if it failed.

 

People can go ahead and fawn on the EU or China, or this fantasy Asia with its superior and generous treatment of Filipinos LOL. I hope you are all hedging your bets though and preparing to deal with the world's bad actors if America goes kaput.

 

Me, I agree with Abraham Lincoln on the earth's last best hope.

Edited June 27, 2020 by dungeonbaby

[camiar]

When I said "to our myopic view, USA is forever", I was not referring to you or me, but to the Pinoys in general. If you back read the other previous posts, you'd see a lot of them. Even among my friends and relatives in the States and Canada, a lot of them believe the same, to my dismay, the USA is forever.

 

But i am not fawning on China when I say they will soon dislodge USA as the World's dominant power. I just see it as an inevitability. But it is not just because of China's effort to strengthen themselves, but more so because of the American society continuing in their downward spiral. America no longer respect the values they used to stand for. They pledge to "One Nation under God" in their Pledge of Allegiance, and yet today, they declared reading of the Bible and praying to God in schools and courts of justice unconstitutional.

 

Abraham Lincoln say Freedom is the last best hope of earth. But why did they trample upon the freedom of the Iraqis on false claims that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction? Something which they failed to prove after Iraq was utterly destroyed. It turned out they were not as much after WMDs as the control of Middle East oil production. How many Latin American freedoms have they destroyed when CIA orchestrated regime changes of any Latin American government whose leader showed tendency to pursue self-determination for their country and follow policies independent of what America dictates?

 

After we were handed our Independence in 1946, since when were we able to pursue an independent foreign policy? All our leaders who attempted to pursue policies of self-determination were destroyed politically to lose in election bids, or were politically and economically blackmailed by pro-US oligarchs to toe the line, or were deposed, and I suspect, one was even assassinated but was made to look like it was an accident. Isn't it that Freedom means you have the right to self determination? If so, the US is not helping us achieve that goal.

Do you think US is a deterrent to Chinese encroachment? The Chinese already know that US will only push back if their own selfish interest is at stake. Don't count on the US to protect our sovereignty. We have no one to rely on except ourselves to fight for our own interests and for our freedom.

Edited June 30, 2020 by camiar

[dungeonbaby]

 

But i am not fawning on China when I say they will soon dislodge USA as the World's dominant power. I just see it as an inevitability. But it is not just because of China's effort to strengthen themselves, but more so because of the American society continuing in their downward spiral. America no longer respect the values they used to stand for. They pledge to "One Nation under God" in their Pledge of Allegiance, and yet today, they declared reading of the Bible and praying to God in schools and courts of justice unconstitutional.

 

The America you complain of here is the left in general, the Democratic party in particular which has been showing its true colors again. This is the America that loves socialism, communism, and China but hates religion and their constitution.

 

China toppling the US is not an inevitability. Pre-covid you'd be laughed off the stage arguing that.

 

 

Do you think US is a deterrent to Chinese encroachment? The Chinese already know that US will only push back if their own selfish interest is at stake. Don't count on the US to protect our sovereignty. We have no one to rely on except ourselves to fight for our own interests and for our freedom.

 

And the US does have an interest in open seas.

 

I don't expect the US to protect us. I expect them to want to maintain good relations here and not want China to take over a nation it once counted as an ally. That's not saying I think they will go to war for us. But a strong America is good for keeping a bully at bay. People who say the Philippines will fight China off on her own are living in a fantasy land. They're already here, how long have I been saying on these threads that occupation is key? How long has China occupied our territories? Ten years? Are Filipinos fighting yet? Tinalo na nga tayo ng Vietnam, na maliit at dating kulelat, sa tapang e. And you want to bank on our people? lol good luck with that, we can't even stomach fighting obvious terrorism in Mindanao.

 

 

Abraham Lincoln say Freedom is the last best hope of earth.

 

No, he was referring to America (the Union).

 

Final note on this reply, I notice the words you use for America: selfish, trampling on others' freedoms, etc. Have you ever used those words to describe China or do you reserve your deepest hatred just for America? Because it's really weird that someone would prefer China as a world power, a proven tyrant even to its own people, a nation that has committed the most murders in history, to the US. Your anger is great and it shows.

Edited June 29, 2020 by dungeonbaby