SaintPeter5858 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 We need it of course because we need to love others and ourselves Quote Link to comment
SaintPeter5858 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 That's a good sign of soul searching. You're now close to sainthood. St augustine and St ignatius underwent the same stage too. That's right. Doubting, then believing due to some insight, usually ends up to utmost dedication to religious life. Quote Link to comment
keepyoursanity Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 If there is truly a god, like the one in the bible, then every moral code he gave, he gives or will ever give will always be relevant.If he tells you to love your neighbor, then that is moral. If he tells you to commit genocide in his name, then that is also moral because it came from the supreme authority on morality. The true question is whether we as humans, should obey the command that we think are immoral yet came from the authority on morality?Though objectively, committing genocide in the name of god is moral since the command came from him, we as humans still find killing others morally wrong. Should we refuse killing in the name of god at the expense of burning in hell forever? Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Six months since I last posted here. Nothing substantial came from the atheists side during that time. If we are to sum up their moral code, it is the same moral code given by the God that does not exist (according to them). Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Given by "whom"? SINO kamo ang NAGBIGAY? NATITIYAK MO? NAKASISIGURADO KA? O ayon lang sa PANINIWALANG ITINURO sa IYO? NANINIWALA KA na MAY IBINIGAY, ngunit HINDI MO MAPATUNAYANG MAY NAGBIGAY nga. Yup, that makes perfect sense. ------------------------ AGAIN, before some atheist makes another post here trying to prove that God does not exist, IT IS A GIVEN, as far as this thread is concerned. Gets nyo? GIVEN NA NGA, so don't prove it. GOD DOES NOT EXIST (as far as this thread is concerned). NOW WHAT? Tanggalin ang dios mo, at ang Moralidad na hinihingi mo ay ang Moralidad na mayroon ang Tao ngayon. (PANAKOT lang ang DIOS MO ng sa gayon ay MAPILITANG SUMUNOD ang TAO.) Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Absolute subjectivism! Very dangerous coz it can easily lead to anarchy. What's next then? Talaga?Hindi porke't HINDI AKO SANG-AYON sa PATAKARAN MO ay mangangahulugan na agad na HINDI na AKO SASANG-AYON sa KAHIT na ANONG PATAKARAN. Quote Link to comment
skitz Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) Tanggalin ang dios mo, at ang Moralidad na hinihingi mo ay ang Moralidad na mayroon ang Tao ngayon. Ok, I will bite. Minus God, kaninong morality? Yung Chinese version ba (as I have given a very specific example here)? You can not propose that to be the American version of morality as it is founded on this concept/principle, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Klaro naman siguro sa declaration na ito na it is because there is a CREATOR kaya merong inalienable rights ang lahat ng tao, according to the moral code of the US style democracy (which we have modeled our laws after). So your statement na "tanggalin mo lang ang Diyos, yun na ang morality ng tao" is ILLOGICAL. You can not remove that. Yun ang PREMISE e. Bakit merong inalienable rights? You have to explain in your moral code. Yun nga ang tanong ng thread na ito. Ano ang morality without God. You have to be specific. Saan na naka-base yung moral code mo kung walang Creator. ------------- OK, para mas klaro ang post let me illustrate: 1. Western style democracy (which we follow) is based on the PREMISE that all men have "unalienable rights given by the CREATOR, of which are life, liberty,and the pursuit of happiness." Accepted as true (by way of convention). 2. Communism Chinese style (atheist) -- what is best for society is what is right. Yan ang premise nila. Ikaw, merong ibang moral code? Ibigay mo dito. Or do you choose the Chinese style of morality? You can not choose the first, otherwise, you will have to accept that meron Creator na nagbigay sa iyo ng unalienable rights. Gets? Edited November 1, 2011 by skitz Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Ok, I will bite. Minus God, kaninong morality? Yung Chinese version ba (as I have given a very specific example here)? You can not propose that to be the American version of morality as it is founded on this concept/principle, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Klaro naman siguro sa declaration na ito na it is because there is a CREATOR kaya merong inalienable rights ang lahat ng tao, according to the moral code of the US style democracy (which we have modeled our laws after). So your statement na "tanggalin mo lang ang Diyos, yun na ang morality ng tao" is ILLOGICAL. You can not remove that. Yun ang PREMISE e. Bakit merong inalienable rights? You have to explain in your moral code. Yun nga ang tanong ng thread na ito. Ano ang morality without God. You have to be specific. Saan na naka-base yung moral code mo kung walang Creator. ------------- OK, para mas klaro ang post let me illustrate: 1. Western style democracy (which we follow) is based on the PREMISE that all men have "unalienable rights given by the CREATOR, of which are life, liberty,and the pursuit of happiness." Accepted as true (by way of convention). 2. Communism Chinese style (atheist) -- what is best for society is what is right. Yan ang premise nila. Ikaw, merong ibang moral code? Ibigay mo dito. Or do you choose the Chinese style of morality? You can not choose the first, otherwise, you will have to accept that meron Creator na nagbigay sa iyo ng unalienable rights. Gets? LIKAS ang MORALIDAD sa TAO. Ang DIOS, PRODUKTO lang ng ISIPAN ng TAO.Kung sinabi ni Moses na, "Heto ang 10 Utos na IBINIGAY sa AKIN ng DIOS", ang TANONG ay MAY IBINIGAY nga bang talaga? MAY NAGBIGAY nga ba? O PRODUKTO lang ng ISIPAN ni Moses? MASAMA nga bang PUMATAY ng KAPWA DAHIL yun ang SABI sa KANYA ng DIOS? O AYON sa MORALIDAD na LIKAS sa KANYA?PAREHO TAYO na MAY "MATA"... ... ang AKIN, PRODUKTO ng EVOLUTION, ... ang IYO, PINANINIWALAAN MONG BIGAY sa IYO ng DIOS MO,Ngayon ang TANONG, ANO ang MATA "MINUS GOD"?... ang SAGOT, WALANG PINAGKAIBA sa MATA na MAYROON ang TAO ngayon,... IBA-IBA ng SUKAT, ... IBA-IBA ng KULAY. Quote Link to comment
skitz Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) Let's put your LIKAS (papaya) moral code to the test. 1. How should AIDS (or other pandemic threatening) disease carriers be treated?2. Gay marriage, pro or con?3. Death penalty, pro or con? Edited November 1, 2011 by skitz Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Let's put your LIKAS (papaya) moral code to the test. 1. How should AIDS (or other pandemic threatening) disease carriers be treated? WALANG PINAGKAIBA sa KUNG PAANO DAPAT i-TRATO ang KAHIT na SINONG TAO, MAY SAKIT man o WALA. 2. Gay marriage, pro or con? LIKAS ang HOMOSEXUALITY. HINDI AKO APEKTADO kung MAGPAKASAL sila, WALANG MASAMANG MANGYAYARI sa AKIN kung MAGPAKASAL man SILA...... so WALANG DAHILAN para AKO TUMUTOL. 3. Death penalty, pro or con? PRO at CON. CON kung AKO o ang mga MALALAPIT sa AKIN ang NASA DEATH PENALTY. PRO kung ang GUMAWA ng MASAMA sa AKIN o sa mga MALALAPIT sa AKIN ang NASA DEATH PENALTY. Ngayon, IKAW naman...... BATAY sa MORALIDAD MO na PINANINIWALAAN MONG IBINIGAY sa IYO ng DIOS MO,... ANO ang IYONG SAGOT sa 3 TANONG MO? Quote Link to comment
SaintPeter5858 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Sna meron immediate punishment for the law-breakers Quote Link to comment
girlspankee Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Nothing wrong with being moral. Just do not forget to be humane. The uber moralists tend to be devoid of human emotions and such. Quote Link to comment
BrightestStar Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 That's for Mankind's sake Quote Link to comment
SaintPeter5858 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 The purpose of morality is to reward the good and punish the bad guys Quote Link to comment
BrightestStar Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Given by "whom"? SINO kamo ang NAGBIGAY? NATITIYAK MO? NAKASISIGURADO KA? O ayon lang sa PANINIWALANG ITINURO sa IYO? NANINIWALA KA na MAY IBINIGAY, ngunit HINDI MO MAPATUNAYANG MAY NAGBIGAY nga. Yup, that makes perfect sense. Tanggalin ang dios mo, at ang Moralidad na hinihingi mo ay ang Moralidad na mayroon ang Tao ngayon. (PANAKOT lang ang DIOS MO ng sa gayon ay MAPILITANG SUMUNOD ang TAO.)Faith is a gift which you are yet to receive. Quote Link to comment
SaintPeter5858 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 You'll always sleep well if you follow the Commandments Quote Link to comment
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