Islam Thread

[LostCommand]

They are Power, rising today through whatever means.

 

The Christians are divided, and there are no more traces of the inner will which in the days of old led them to the Crusades, head to head versus the Muslims.

 

In other words, the Jesus worshippers are getting soft.

 

So then, let the Christians rail all they want. That is all they can do. I am not for Islam, of course. I merely bring attention to the fact that over the course of history, the strong have dominated the weak.

 

LC

[dungeonbaby]

They are Power, rising today through whatever means.

 

The Christians are divided, and there are no more traces of the inner will which in the days of old led them to the Crusades, head to head versus the Muslims.

 

In other words, the Jesus worshippers are getting soft.

 

So then, let the Christians rail all they want. That is all they can do. I am not for Islam, of course. I merely bring attention to the fact that over the course of history, the strong have dominated the weak.

 

LC

 

This is why Bethlehem is now under Muslim control.

 

A big deal was made out of the idiotic Florida pastor who wanted to burn the Koran this month (he eventually did not). But what about the terrorists who threw the Church of the Nativity's precious medieval Bible into the toilet and used its pages as toilet paper during that 39(?)-day siege? Who did the Vatican condemn? Not so much the terrorists. These terrorists are now enjoying life in friendly Europe.

 

Today, Christians cannot improve on their holy site in Bethlehem. Meantime, a mosque built right across it continues to grow. It's not difficult to imagine Christian holy sites being obscured and obliterated eventually in the name of Islam.

[kilometrico]

They are Power, rising today through whatever means.

 

The Christians are divided, and there are no more traces of the inner will which in the days of old led them to the Crusades, head to head versus the Muslims.

 

In other words, the Jesus worshippers are getting soft.

 

So then, let the Christians rail all they want. That is all they can do. I am not for Islam, of course. I merely bring attention to the fact that over the course of history, the strong have dominated the weak.

 

LC

 

 

Well with the power of the internet a lot of people are learning about the true nature of Islam and I hope that in my lifetime I will see the fall of PISSLAM just like communism.

[LostCommand]

Communism - born lived, and died in less than 90 years. Except for North Korea and Cuba.

 

Christianity and Islam have been at it since the Crusades, over 900 years ago.

 

Before you do your wishful thinking, do read your history.

 

ah, I forgot, you are Christian. Read your prayers instead. Supposedly that works.

[hellyeah1]

Mr LC

 

The true nature of Islam was exposed because of information explosion, the more nation and people learn about Islam I don't see any reason that it will be shunned and fall.

 

Remember that paganism( Roman Gods and Greek Gods) was older than Christianity and Islam combined and now they are only history. It seems your history book doesn't know how to count years of existance.

[rebeck]

They are Power, rising today through whatever means.

 

The Christians are divided, and there are no more traces of the inner will which in the days of old led them to the Crusades, head to head versus the Muslims.

 

In other words, the Jesus worshippers are getting soft.

 

So then, let the Christians rail all they want. That is all they can do. I am not for Islam, of course. I merely bring attention to the fact that over the course of history, the strong have dominated the weak.

 

LC

 

The irony is that at the time of the Crusades, Islam was supposedly the more tolerant religion (at least vis-a-vis Christianity and Judaism, the so-called "people of the book"), while Christianity was the one which sought to stamp out all unbelievers.

 

Thankfully, Christianity has since outgrown its former medieval narrow-mindedness. Unfortunately, Islam, if anything, seems to have regressed.

 

If there is anyone out there who can point to examples of Islam's open-mindedness, then I am more than willing to be proven wrong.

 

IF. . .

[knoll1234]

read salman rusdie, in asha-allah,

[hellyeah1]

read salman rusdie, in asha-allah,

 

 

The Stanic Verses that caught the ire of Ayatollah. He is a living bulls eye for the Muslims!

[Ryuji_tanaka]

Islamic tolerance....hmm...remember the riots inspired by South Park?

[rebeck]

read salman rusdie, in asha-allah,

 

mr. knoll1234, you strike me as a moderate.

 

that being the case, what do you think of the fatwas issued against people (like salman rushdie) who are perceived to have committed wrongs against islam? do you think this is justifiable?

 

seriously, i would want to hear this and similar things explained from a moslem perspective. because if they are nothing but misconceptions about islam, then they should be corrected

[uaeboy25]

Saudi arrests Filipino Catholics at mass

 

Speaking about religious tolerance.

Theres a mosque in Rome Italy, but Christian cannot be practice in KSA

 

Saudi arrests Filipino Catholics at mass

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RIYADH - Saudi police raided a secret Catholic mass in Riyadh last week and arrested a dozen Filipinos and a Catholic priest, charging them with prosyletising, a local daily reported on Wednesday.

 

The raid took place as some 150 Filipinos were attending the mass in a Riyadh rest house on Friday, the second day of the weekend in Saudi Arabia, Arab News said.

 

The twelve Filipino men and the priest, whose nationality was not specified, were "charged with prosyletising," the daily quoted an official from the Philippine embassy in Riyadh as saying.

 

They were all released Sunday on guarantees by sponsors or embassies, the report said.

 

Saudi Arabia bans the practice of any religion aside from Islam. However, small, low-key prayer services inside expatriate compounds and in Filipino gatherings are tolerated by officials.

 

With more than one million workers in Saudi Arabia, Filipinos comprise the bulk of the Christian community inside the kingdom.

 

Filipino activists confirmed the arrests to AFP, saying they had been released, but could not confirm the arrest of a priest.

[the_greenhorny]

IN SAUDI ARABIA

Islam religion says they believe in Jesus Christ the fact that they do have people having name of Eissa (islamic name of Jesus)

they do also believe in Mother Mary they do also have women name after Her (Maryam islamic name of Mother Mary)the Book of Qur'an have verses that telling about Mary as mother of Jesus.

For Muslims she is a symbol of submission to God and piety. Mary is one of the most highly-regarded women in Islam; there are several verses in the Qur'an praising her and confirming that she was an extremely chaste and pious woman.

it is in Sura XIX, Qur'an.

they pray five times a day.

but more of them cannot follow this..of course they're only human.

they were followers of Muhammad not Jesus Christ neither Moses.

accordingly they follow Haddith and the rest of the Qur'an verses.

Haddith is the Prophet Muhammad words.

they do not believe that Jesus was crucified.

according to their elders Jesus was ascended to heaven before He was being crucified.

this people consider that the Bible's New Testament as "Book of Jesus"

and the Old Testament as "Book of Moses" which is the book uses by the Jews called "Torah" .

according to their elders that there are Four Holy Books.

the Book of Moses, the Book of Jesus, the Qur'an, the other one i cannot follow.

there are two kinds of muslim in the middle east.

Sunni and Shi'ite.

 

Shi'ite - a member of the branch of Islam that regards Ali as the legitimate successor to Mohammed and rejects the first three caliphs.

Sunni -a member of the branch of Islam that accepts the first four caliphs as rightful successors to Muhammad.

caliphs were the successor of Muhammad.

From observations whatever their Imams tell them, they do believe into it.

so you can expect that a highly educated and a non formal education person tells one thing.

 

they believe that the Western are the Evils.

"Western" is a word to describe not the Americans but those cultural & social acts whom they believe not according to Qur'an.

so even the European being called as "Westerner".

[mata_hari]

Regarding the plan to put up an Islamic Center near "ground zero" in NYC, I can only make this comment..."p#tang %na, para na kayong nakaka lalaki niyan ah".

[RER]

nadadasal si obama sa mosque kabaligtaran nung sinabi nya nung kumakandidato sya

[Ryuji_tanaka]

Religious tolerance?yeah right!

 

http://www.aina.org/news/20101010152217.htm

 

Egyptian State Security Behind Anti-Church Demonstrations

 

(AINA) -- The recent attack by Muslim fundamentalists on the Coptic Church and its head Pope Shenouda III, accusing him of causing sectarian tensions and calling for his "disposal," is seen by some as a sign that matters "got out of hand" and that Egypt is heading towards a catastrophe, while others see the "steady hand of the State Security agents" directing all players like marionettes in a play written and directed by them, to target the Christian minority and achieve political gains for the Regime at the same time.In the last month various fundamentalist groups held ten demonstrations, each after coming out of mosques following Friday prayers, against the 86-year-old ailing Coptic Pontiff, in which he was accused of being a US agent, an abductor and torturer of female Muslim converts from Christianity (AINA 9-18-2010), of stockpiling weapons in monasteries and churches to carry out war against Muslims, and of plans to divide Egypt to create a Coptic State (AINA 9-22-2010).

 

The latest in the series of demonstrations was on October 8, when nearly 500 Salafis (those who follow the ways of the first Muslims) staged a protest in front of the Ibrahim Mosque in Alexandria, after Friday prayers. They called again for the release of Muslim women allegedly held against their will by churches and also for the trial of Father Bishoy, secretary of the Holy Synod, for his comments questioning the authenticity of the Quran. Their litany of demands included calls for searching monasteries and churches to look for weapons, as well issuing threats such as "Shenouda, just wait, we will dig your grave with our own hands" and "Islamic, Islamic, Egypt will remain Islamic." They called on Christians to dispose of Shenouda before things get worse and for a boycott of Coptic businesses. Photos of the Pope were burnt in effigy and hit with shoes (video).

 

The mounting tensions between Muslims and Christians aim to foment havoc ahead of crucial political landmarks, from the People's Assembly elections slated for November 29 to the presidential elections next year. Many recall the demonstrations staged against the Coptic Church in Alexandria in advance of 2005 parliamentary elections, allegedly instigated by the Muslim Brotherhood to spoil the chances of Coptic candidates of being elected.

 

The role of state security during these demonstrations was widely criticized. Outspoken government critic, Ibrahim Eissa, who was editor of the independent al-Dustour newspaper until he was sacked last week, criticized the role of the State Security. In an article dated September 27, Eissa said that thousands of Salafi Muslims go out demonstrating against the Coptic Pope and the Church believing they are on a Jihadi mission for the sake of Allah and at the same time "knowing quite well that State Security will not touch them, since demonstrations are directed against the Pope and not the President, the Church and not the inheritance issue [Gamal Mubarak as successor of his father]. "Those who go out in Jihad against 'inheritance', democracy and election fraud are beaten mercilessly by security forces but those who go out to incite sectarian violence between Muslims and Christians believe that Allah is with them, and that they are the friends and 'buddies' of the police and the State Security."

 

In an interview with state-owned TV Channel "Al Hayat el Yom" on September 27, Pope Shenouda expressed his concern about the ongoing situation. "Matters have become very, very, very sensitive," He said. "I try to pacify my people, but I fear they may lose this peace, because of too many incitements." The defiant Pope lashed out at the role played by the media and the instigators, who have an effect on the masses, causing hatred between Muslims and Christians and between the Church and the State. He defended his silence by saying: "Our silence does not mean that we do not have an answer to what is said about us, we have a strong response. But we do not want to add fuel to the fire, and we prefer silence. However our silence should not be used to cause more incitement and insults. No. this matter is unacceptable and is not for the good of the country and its image."

 

Enraged Copts vowed to stage sit-ins to protest the fabricated accusations levied against their Pope and the church, "which have gone beyond description and imagination and has never happened before in the history of Egypt," said Coptic activist Dr. Fawzy Hermina. A demonstration was organized for October 6 in the Coptic Cathedral in Cairo during the Pope's weekly Wednesday sermon.

 

On October 3rd a statement issued by an unknown organization naming itself "Front of Islamic Egypt" warned Copts to stay at home with their wives and children as their would be a bloody confrontation on Wednesday. This organization's statement was the second in the series, the first of which promised the Copts a blood bath.

 

The Coptic Church issued a statement asking for no sit-ins inside the Cathedral. The Wednesday sermon was attended by more than 10,000 Copts "to show support to our Pope and to show fundamentalists that we are not cowards, and they cannot intimidate us," said a Coptic family who attended the sermon. State Security was present around the Cathedral and blocked all roads leading to the venue.

 

According to Magdi Khalil, head of the Middle East Freedom Forum, who is an authority on Fundamentalist movements, "Fundamentalist movements have a deep-rooted hatred to all that is non-Muslim, and they are ready to do anything and commit any crime against non-Muslims, especially Jews and Christians." Security and intelligence agencies managed these movements before and after President Sadat's assassination by them, and used them for violence against the Copts in the seventies, are using the same mechanisms to steer their anger in the same direction again."

 

He believes that security authorities are 'killing two birds with one stone' namely directing, under their guidance, the excess violence present in these movements towards the Copts, away from the Regime as Sadat did, secondly to distract the Egyptians away from certain important issues such as preparation for transfer of power (between Mubarak and his son) and the upcoming elections. "Besides they want to discipline the Copts, whose voices became louder from the standpoint of security services" according to Khalil.

 

"The Pope hinted in his recent interviews with state-owned TV that Copts understand the game played by security and he wondered out loud where the national security is from all what is happening," Khalil said, "which is a clear accusation that the security and intelligence services run the whole game."

 

Also implicating security was Coptic activist Dr. Hermina, who said "The Regime is presenting the Church and the Pope as a scapegoat on a gold platter to these neo-Wahhabis in order to appease them."

 

Outspoken Activist Wagih Yacoub confirmed the complicity of security in these demonstrations. "If they want, they can stop these demonstrations immediately as they did with oppositions groups of 'Kefaya' and '6th April'," he said. "Besides, Security wants to sew fear in Copts of what could come if fundamentalists took over control of the country, which puts them in a good bargaining position with the Church regarding support for future election and succession plans."

 

On October 5, in a televised address to the Nation on the occasion of 37th anniversary of the 1973 war between Egypt and Israel, Mubarak spoke about preserving national unity among both Muslims and Christians. "National unity constitutes a red line that I will allow no one to cross," Mubarak warned. "Those who incite sectarian division must know they are not above the law. They must know we will thwart their attempts to drag religious and intellectual symbols into their conspiracies." But only three days later, despite the President's warnings, the tenth demonstration was held in Alexandria with the presence of the head of Alexandria State Security.

 

By Mary Abdelmassih