jopoc Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 i have already conceded that arroyo had all the necessary skills and competence which she used to bring the Filipino masses down to its knees, as was reported by an independent TCI...now, we know why there is pervasive hunger and poverty -our taxes were re-directed to the personal bank accounts of 'competent gloria' and her 'able' assistants.... only very, very competent people can do such feats....you have won that argument...the argument of competence... fidel castro, luis 'lula' da silva, (actor) ronald reagan, (mechanic) ramon magsaysay...are some of the most beloved presidents who, before they became leaders, were less 'competent' than (vice president and economist) gloria arroyo... they led their respective countries with honesty and integrity and because of that they are loved by their people... do you love gloria arroyo ? maybe right now, Pnoy is still loved by the people, but the way his popularity is slipping, i dont think that love will last for 5 more years. GMA started her presidency being loved by the people, remember edsa 2? while it may be true that there were presidents who were less competent who led their respective countries with honestly and integrity, i dont think Pnoy will be in the same category. are you asking me if i love gloria? no, i dont. in fact, i'd love to see her jailed. but i think we dont need senate investigations on what GMA did. do we really need a senate investigation for the poll cheatings when it is common knowledge? can the senate declare her guilty of corruption in the PCSO? the senate hearings are nothing but PR attacks against gloria, designed to make people hate her more.... nothing more than that through trial by publicity. i believe GMA still is entitled to a fair trial. if there are evidence of corruption or cheating, as the case may be. FILE IT IN THE APPROPRIATE COURT. not through trial by publicity. i believe it will save more time and govt resources (something Pnoy is "practicing") in prosecuting her if cases are filed in the Ombudsman or DOJ rather than in senate investigations. do you agree with me? Quote Link to comment
camiar Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Hoy! Noy! Who was that public official who drove an Audi at 230 km/hr at SCTEX last weekend? He almost lost control of the car at high speed. Was that you? Quote Link to comment
CUMonYou Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 like i said, wait for a couple of years and you will see Pnoy defending his administration from corruption charges. right now, the mood is getting back at GMA. so if you will notice, one by one people who once benefitted from her (like marge juico and zaldy ampatuan, etc.) are joining the bandwagon and turning witnesses against her. wait for a couple of years and the Pnoy admin will also be in hot water. DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THERE IS NO CORRUPTION HAPPENING IN THIS ADMIN? That is something that will remain to be seen...a possible what if and not the present situation at hand...If Noy will be the same as the previous admin that he so criticizes then I agree with you that he should face it like a man...but what benefit is it for everyone? if there is corruption happening in this admin that will still be on a future tense not present..right now is what matters not the possible future which there is no basis..we are condemning the present admin for something that has no basis as of yet from happening??? sheesshhh no ownder nothing is being done cause no one wants to help and they blame the current admin that all they do is blame...what do we think are those detractors doing?? Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 That is something that will remain to be seen...a possible what if and not the present situation at hand...If Noy will be the same as the previous admin that he so criticizes then I agree with you that he should face it like a man...but what benefit is it for everyone? if there is corruption happening in this admin that will still be on a future tense not present..right now is what matters not the possible future which there is no basis..we are condemning the present admin for something that has no basis as of yet from happening??? sheesshhh no ownder nothing is being done cause no one wants to help and they blame the current admin that all they do is blame...what do we think are those detractors doing?? i am not condemning the Pnoy administration for corruption. i am fully aware that it has not yet reached the GMA level. rather, i am condemning the Pnoy administration in using the corruption of the past administration to smokescreen its ineptness. i would rather see the Pnoy administration focusing more on improving the economy than exposing to us the obvious (that GMA is corrupt). Quote Link to comment
CUMonYou Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 i am not condemning the Pnoy administration for corruption. i am fully aware that it has not yet reached the GMA level. rather, i am condemning the Pnoy administration in using the corruption of the past administration to smokescreen its ineptness. i would rather see the Pnoy administration focusing more on improving the economy than exposing to us the obvious (that GMA is corrupt).Lets put it this way...You have a house..you just move in..you see all kinds of damage on that house that you think the whole house will collapse on itself...yet you cannot tear the house down to build a new one but has the only option of renovating it..you have a family that you want to bring in to that house to live with you...you have relatives and friends...wouldnt you want to know the history of how the house ended up that way???what kind of hidden critters lurks in the corners of that house? How could those people that rely on you to be safe live in a house that you have no knowledge of if the house is safe to live or not??do we just enter that house and if incase something breaks down we blame the person that is supposed to be incharge cause he didnt do his job of fixing it??? I certainly want to know where my hard earned money I pay for those taxes go...they should be held accountable..ano and kwenta ng govt kung hindi nito aayusin ang pagkakamali ng nakaraan? hahayaan na lang natin na makatakas sila sa kanilang ginawang pagkakamali???/ Obviously the previous admin appointed officials with impeccable records of govt service and accomplishment but yet they cannot properly freakin run an agency....they either run it to bankruptcy or with large amount of utang like PCSO for example..kung negosyo ba or kumpanya nila ang mga ito pababayaan ba nilang malugi ng ganun??? these officials the arroyos for example have company under their name..how could their businesses progress and their assets rise u to such staggering amount yet they cannot run the agency handled by the govt??...How in the world could you bankrupt PCSO???it earns 22 to 33 billion peso per year...it doesnt need extravagant publicity as all the corner of the philippine archipelago know what Lotto is and no one in the philippines doenst know the PCSO!!! Tama lang ang ginagawa nila.... I would be piss if after all these expose alang mangyayari then ill probably blow my top..but until such thing doesnt happen the present admin is on the right track...Just g ofor ti Pnoy..your doing a great job... Quote Link to comment
wolfwhistler Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 maybe right now, Pnoy is still loved by the people, but the way his popularity is slipping, i dont think that love will last for 5 more years. GMA started her presidency being loved by the people, remember edsa 2? while it may be true that there were presidents who were less competent who led their respective countries with honestly and integrity, i dont think Pnoy will be in the same category. are you asking me if i love gloria? no, i dont. in fact, i'd love to see her jailed. but i think we dont need senate investigations on what GMA did. do we really need a senate investigation for the poll cheatings when it is common knowledge? can the senate declare her guilty of corruption in the PCSO? the senate hearings are nothing but PR attacks against gloria, designed to make people hate her more.... nothing more than that through trial by publicity. i believe GMA still is entitled to a fair trial. if there are evidence of corruption or cheating, as the case may be. FILE IT IN THE APPROPRIATE COURT. not through trial by publicity. i believe it will save more time and govt resources (something Pnoy is "practicing") in prosecuting her if cases are filed in the Ombudsman or DOJ rather than in senate investigations. do you agree with me? the senate hearings are part and parcel of the democratic process...you might have a different opinion about why they are conducted but i think we should let democracy do its job...we would have NOT learned more about the nbn-zte if not for the senate hearings... like you, i believe GMA is entitled to a fair trial, and she might have been tried fairlyif she allowed her impeachment(s) to proceed instead of paying off her party's congressmen,not once, not twice but three times ! the least of what could have been accomplished would be that evidence could have been brought out in the open for us, the people, to discern...but she suppressed the process by bribery, which should NOT be done in a democracy...also, she used her office (by issuing orders) to supress people from testifying - remember Gudani and Balutan, in hello garci ?...and then, later on, Neri in the broadband deal? maybe the point i'm trying to make is ...congressional hearings will always be a part of a democracy...we elected senators and congressmen and they are just doing their jobs...if a person is NOT guilty, no trial, whether by publicity or court would convict him or her...i see nothing wrong with letting the nation participate in the democratic processes...transparency promotes a better democracy... note: sometimes, trial by publicity works for the accused...remember OJ Simpson ?...or recently, Casey Anthony ?... Quote Link to comment
jopoc Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 the senate hearings are part and parcel of the democratic process...you might have a different opinion about why they are conducted but i think we should let democracy do its job...we would have NOT learned more about the nbn-zte if not for the senate hearings... the least of what could have been accomplished would be that evidence could have been brought out in the open for us, the people, to discern...but she suppressed the process by bribery, which should NOT be done in a democracy...also, she used her office (by issuing orders) to supress people from testifying - remember Gudani and Balutan, in hello garci ?...and then, later on, Neri in the broadband deal? maybe the point i'm trying to make is ...congressional hearings will always be a part of a democracy...we elected senators and congressmen and they are just doing their jobs...if a person is NOT guilty, no trial, whether by publicity or court would convict him or her...i see nothing wrong with letting the nation participate in the democratic processes...transparency promotes a better democracy... you must have a different definition of democracy. anyway, our country is run by laws, and not by democracy in the purest form. we are, technically, a republican country. at any rate, the constitution is clear, the duty of the senate is to make laws, and not be the exposer of corruption, etc. while they may conduct investigations in aid of legislation, the senate seems to have more investigations than legislation. it seems that the investigations are in aid of polictics. is that what you really want, a country with leaders doing nothing but politicking? for me, trasaprency is not watching the senate hearings... i personally can vouch for you that the senate hearings are designed to attack a person's credibility. the evidence there are mostly fabricated and the persons conducting the investigation are very partial. i handled several cases in the senate hearings, talo lagi clients ko. they are in a hostile territory. pinasasama na ng mga senador, ganun din sa media. tindi pa ng backdoor politics. we had a client wo paid a senator 10M so she wont be dragged in the investigation. if you only know that this democracy has been bastardized by your beloved senators. like you, i believe GMA is entitled to a fair trial, and she might have been tried fairlyif she allowed her impeachment(s) to proceed instead of paying off her party's congressmen,not once, not twice but three times ! as i said, the congressional hearings are politics. if GMA allowed an impeachment, she would have suffered the same fate as erap. talo sa technicality, nag walk out, then in a few hours, may people power nanaman. tama lang na pinigilan nya ang impeachment, imagine if every president in this country is being removed by people power. ang sama ng impression nyan sa international community. note: sometimes, trial by publicity works for the accused...remember OJ Simpson ?...or recently, Casey Anthony ?... and where is casey anthony now? hiding because of death threats. afraid of her safety even though she was acquitted in court. how about OJ, he never got his life back. the latest i heard from him is that he was charged with robbery. so how can you say that trial by publicity can work for the accused? Quote Link to comment
laging_nagmamahal Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 at any rate, the constitution is clear, the duty of the senate is to make laws, and not be the exposer of corruption, etc. while they may conduct investigations in aid of legislation, the senate seems to have more investigations than legislation. Isn't exposing corruption a part of the so-called Congressional Oversight function? tama lang na pinigilan nya ang impeachment, imagine if every president in this country is being removed by people power. ang sama ng impression nyan sa international community. Does it necessarily follow that if Aling Gloria got impeached, she would be removed by people power? Even the impeached Erap was not removed via people power. If Mike Arroyo's own accounts were to be believed, people power was a mere backdrop he himself orchestrated. Erap's ouster was the culmination of Mike Arroyo's plans from, according to Mike Arroyo himself, day one of Erap's presidency. Quote Link to comment
hav0k Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Dear NOy sampahan mo na sa courte and move on bahala na mga bataan mo doon Quote Link to comment
wolfwhistler Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 you must have a different definition of democracy. anyway, our country is run by laws, and not by democracy in the purest form. we are, technically, a republican country. at any rate, the constitution is clear, the duty of the senate is to make laws, and not be the exposer of corruption, etc. while they may conduct investigations in aid of legislation, the senate seems to have more investigations than legislation. it seems that the investigations are in aid of polictics. is that what you really want, a country with leaders doing nothing but politicking? for me, trasaprency is not watching the senate hearings... i personally can vouch for you that the senate hearings are designed to attack a person's credibility. the evidence there are mostly fabricated and the persons conducting the investigation are very partial. i handled several cases in the senate hearings, talo lagi clients ko. they are in a hostile territory. pinasasama na ng mga senador, ganun din sa media. tindi pa ng backdoor politics. we had a client wo paid a senator 10M so she wont be dragged in the investigation. if you only know that this democracy has been bastardized by your beloved senators. perhaps, my question would be...are your clients really innocent?... i believe that you are a good lawyer and you could compete mentally with the best senators of the land... jose pidal did well when he was called to testify...and so did iggy arroyo...both, as you are well aware, are 'still' free men... even garci did well... we cannot enjoy the freedom that democracy guarantees us and cherry pick what's good about the system...we can't say i love democracy because i am guaranteed free speech and yet say i do NOT like democracy because of the senate committee hearings...if i were a lawyer i cannot say 'i would only defend the innocent and to hell with those who admit guilt'...we have to take the good with the bad... why would you admit that your client paid off a senator ?...i hope you dont get disbarred ? finally, everything about politics is not bad...also, not all lawyers are bad.... p.s. try watching the US senate hearings and the Murdoch hearings...if we listen closely enough, we might learn that democracy/politics is the same everywhere....manila, london or washington d.c....or would you rather be in north korea ? Quote Link to comment
heatseeker0714 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Noy. Isa kong masugid na maka-Gibo. As a matter of fact, I don't like you. Pero salamat sa taus pusong suporta sa AFP, lalo na sa Navy na ilang dekada ng neglected dahil parating Army ang paborito ng mga nagdaang administrasyon. Napakalaking bagay nung BRP Gregorio Del Pilar, sana meron pang mga kasunod. We are a maritime country that neglects it's navy, i think under your administration, i HOPE under your administration, magbago na ito. Quote Link to comment
heatseeker0714 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Hoy! Noy! Who was that public official who drove an Audi at 230 km/hr at SCTEX last weekend? He almost lost control of the car at high speed. Was that you? huwag naman sana.... konti pa lang naitutulong nya sa Philippine Navy & Philippine Air Force... Quote Link to comment
ensure Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 please step down. k, thanks. Quote Link to comment
elyaspsp Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Dear Noynoy, kailang ka ba mag-aasawa? Quote Link to comment
CUMonYou Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Dear NOy sampahan mo na sa courte and move on bahala na mga bataan mo doonEasier said than done...wag gumaya kina casino at culmenares na mga bobo mga animal sampa lang ng sampa ala pang substance para magka media mileage tapos pag hindi masupurtahan kaso nila magngangawa na ala daw ginawa ang admin..sandamakmak na mga bobo at gago talaga ngayon nagkareason ang mga animal na akusado na mag express ng right to self incrimination which on most opinion is a clear abuse of the said constitutional right.....I mean how could you incriminte yourself kung lahat ng sinasabi mo ay pawang katotohanan at ala kang ginawang kagaguhan nung ikaw ay nanungkulan??? Quote Link to comment
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