Team Pilipinas Basketball

[kenichi15]

sorry i mean toroman NEVER had a program.

 

 

u said toroman never had a program? and built a team around douthit and took it from there?

i just cant believe what i read.

baliktad ang pagkakaintindi mo kapatid.

fyi, smart gilas was already a team when douthit came. it was a 3 year program.

douthit was in the team for a year. ibig sabihin may smart gilas na bago pa dumating si douthit.

another proof of this was there were a few american and even a serbian who played for smart but never got toromans nod as the teams naturalized player. so how could u say that the team was built around douthit?

 

do u mind me asking, si yeng guiao ka ba? o si chot reyes?

[Droidz1979]

u said toroman never had a program? and built a team around douthit and took it from there?

i just cant believe what i read.

baliktad ang pagkakaintindi mo kapatid.

fyi, smart gilas was already a team when douthit came. it was a 3 year program.

douthit was in the team for a year. ibig sabihin may smart gilas na bago pa dumating si douthit.

another proof of this was there were a few american and even a serbian who played for smart but never got toromans nod as the teams naturalized player. so how could u say that the team was built around douthit?

 

do u mind me asking, si yeng guiao ka ba? o si chot reyes?

 

 

I agree.. at first they took CJ Giles who was a defensive beast and way more athletic than Douthit. Problem is sobrang pasaway, panay ata night life and if i'm not mistaken ay sumabit pa ata sa gulo in a night club. Thus, maski maganda sana cohesion nya with the then team ay sinibak sya. The Serbian import that we got was Milan Vučićević who was not much of a scorer and defensive anchor that the team needed although he had solid basketball fundamentals and he can shoot from the outside. He only played for 1 foreign tournament with the team as an import yata. On the local side, those that were initially given a 3-year contract and signed it were Cris Tiu, Jayvee Casio, Dylan Ababou, Marc Barroca, Mac Baracael.. The rest diko na matandaan pero sina Rabeh Al Hussaini also signed a contract (shorter) for 1 year before going pro. The fil-ams were only signed mid-way (Lassiter and Lutz) after conducting try-outs in the states. The likes of Paul Lee or Noy Baclao din ata rejected the invitation to play for flag and country since the concept of having a long-term contract was new and they did not want to be tied if they wanted to go pro. Dapat pa nga commend yong first batch of players who took a leap of faith and signed a long term contract of the likes of Cris Tiu who opted to remain and be a part of the future Gilas team/program. Si Japeth Aguilar ay nadagdag na lang din after his urong-sulong mentality and playing for the then PBA flavored Powerade team where Gilas actually fared way better.

 

I guess the point was that there was a program in place, the hiring of Toroman was part of that vision and the selection of the players was a fluid thing that constantly had some changes with the import dilemma wherein Douthit's naturalization papers was actually delayed. Amateur players that dreamed of playing in the PBA than representing the country was actually a constant problem, sana nag-stay na lang si al Hussaini he would have been of help. Even Paul Lee of Baclao could have helped shore up the frontline and the likes of Slaughter and Aldrech Ramos should have played on the recent FIBA games instead of their mother university teams. Parang nawawala yong prioritization or even Junmar Fajardo of Cebu should have been part of Gilas, alam ko tumaggi din handler nito since supported ata ni Graham Lim backer nya dati. All in all, its not fair to blame Toroman for all the suposedly short-coming of the Olympic qualification goal. Yeah we failed but we fared way better that our accomplishments have been for the past 10 years or so inspite of the obstacles that it has to go thru. I think what the program needs is continuity/stability (player and coach), player development (for the young talents), unity and prioritization. Playing for the flag and country should be the top priority over playing for collegiate or PBA teams. The best amateur or professional players should play for the national team. If ayaw mag-cooperate ng PBA then the focus should be on the best amateur talent available and sufficient dapat ang compensation for the players to stay within the program and not be lured by going pro agad. I think if Paul Lee played for Smart Gilas then he would surely have been the number 1 pick hands down. Even Jason Ballesteros na bangko lang ng Gilas was even selected on the first round of PBA coz players do improve in terms of skill set and maturity. I have faith in MVP din naman, hopefully top-caliber coach pa din ang kunin if not Toroman pero dapat i-address din yong ibang problems that snagged the recent Gilas team. Tigilan na dapat ang stop gap measures of getting PBA players on the last minute at walang nangyayari sa atin dito.

 

Sensya haba ng rant ko

Edited October 11, 2011 by Droidz1979

[kenichi15]

I agree.. at first they took CJ Giles who was a defensive beast and way more athletic than Douthit. Problem is sobrang pasaway, panay ata night life and if i'm not mistaken ay sumabit pa ata sa gulo in a night club. Thus, maski maganda sana cohesion nya with the then team ay sinibak sya. The Serbian import that we got was Milan Vučićević who was not much of a scorer and defensive anchor that the team needed although he had solid basketball fundamentals and he can shoot from the outside. He only played for 1 foreign tournament with the team as an import yata. On the local side, those that were initially given a 3-year contract and signed it were Cris Tiu, Jayvee Casio, Dylan Ababou, Marc Barroca, Mac Baracael.. The rest diko na matandaan pero sina Rabeh Al Hussaini also signed a contract (shorter) for 1 year before going pro. The fil-ams were only signed mid-way (Lassiter and Lutz) after conducting try-outs in the states. The likes of Paul Lee or Noy Baclao din ata rejected the invitation to play for flag and country since the concept of having a long-term contract was new and they did not want to be tied if they wanted to go pro. Dapat pa nga commend yong first batch of players who took a leap of faith and signed a long term contract of the likes of Cris Tiu who opted to remain and be a part of the future Gilas team/program. Si Japeth Aguilar ay nadagdag na lang din after his urong-sulong mentality and playing for the then PBA flavored Powerade team where Gilas actually fared way better.

 

I guess the point was that there was a program in place, the hiring of Toroman was part of that vision and the selection of the players was a fluid thing that constantly had some changes with the import dilemma wherein Douthit's naturalization papers was actually delayed. Amateur players that dreamed of playing in the PBA than representing the country was actually a constant problem, sana nag-stay na lang si al Hussaini he would have been of help. Even Paul Lee of Baclao could have helped shore up the frontline and the likes of Slaughter and Aldrech Ramos should have played on the recent FIBA games instead of their mother university teams. Parang nawawala yong prioritization or even Junmar Fajardo of Cebu should have been part of Gilas, alam ko tumaggi din handler nito since supported ata ni Graham Lim backer nya dati. All in all, its not fair to blame Toroman for all the suposedly short-coming of the Olympic qualification goal. Yeah we failed but we fared way better that our accomplishments have been for the past 10 years or so inspite of the obstacles that it has to go thru. I think what the program needs is continuity/stability (player and coach), player development (for the young talents), unity and prioritization. Playing for the flag and country should be the top priority over playing for collegiate or PBA teams. The best amateur or professional players should play for the national team. If ayaw mag-cooperate ng PBA then the focus should be on the best amateur talent available and sufficient dapat ang compensation for the players to stay within the program and not be lured by going pro agad. I think if Paul Lee played for Smart Gilas then he would surely have been the number 1 pick hands down. Even Jason Ballesteros na bangko lang ng Gilas was even selected on the first round of PBA coz players do improve in terms of skill set and maturity. I have faith in MVP din naman, hopefully top-caliber coach pa din ang kunin if not Toroman pero dapat i-address din yong ibang problems that snagged the recent Gilas team. Tigilan na dapat ang stop gap measures of getting PBA players on the last minute at walang nangyayari sa atin dito.

 

Sensya haba ng rant ko

 

 

now, theres someone who knows his basketball.

[TERRENCE34]

I liked what Toroman did to Smart Gilas.

 

Just one comment though.. Dapat hindi nya pinilit maging power forward si Japeth Aguilar. Japeth is very ideal in the small forward position. Maganda ang shooting nung bata and he's very quick.

[khilua23]

Norman Black to Talk ‘N Text, Chot Reyes to Smart Gilas five?

 

Norman Black is set to make a return to the Philippine Basketball Association as a coaching rigodon is expected to be formalized this month involving teams bankrolled by business tycoon-sportsman Manny V. Pangilinan.

 

The arrangement will include coach Chot Reyes moving over to the Smart Gilas national team from Talk ‘N Text in the PBA.

 

Black will move to the Talk ‘N Text camp while Reyes will replace Serbian Rajko Toroman, who was offered the consultant’s post at Smart Gilas after serving as its head coach.

 

 

http://sports.inquirer.net/20045/norman-black-to-talk-%E2%80%98n-text-chot-reyes-to-smart-gilas-five

[photographer]

I would welcome Norman Black sa TNT but Chot Reyes sa National Squad? He had his chance back then but bungled it. Now he's at the helm again! Well....better than Coach Absentee!

[Droidz1979]

now, theres someone who knows his basketball.

 

 

Thanks bro.. in short basketball NERD

 

If Toroman won't be retained as head coach of Smart Gilas i hope he would accept the position as consultant and he would handle a holistic approach for RP basketball from talent development within RP, to talent scouting outside, to training/development of local coaches and coming up with a sustainable program. Para di masayang 3-years know-how nya with our country and address the problem he encountered then on a macro-level. Sana lang

[TERRENCE34]

I've been reviewing who could possibly be the next team members of the Smart Gilas team and this is what I have thought of ala PBA Fantasy...

 

1st Five:

C - Marcus Douthit 6'11"

PF - Yancy De Ocampo 6'9"

SF - Japeth Aguilar 6'9"

SG - Gabe Norwood 6'5"

PG - Alex Cabagnot 6'0"

 

2nd Five:

C - Greg Slaughter 7'0"

PF - Jun Fajardo 6'10"

SF - Arwind Santos 6'4"

SG - Bobby Ray Parks 6'5"

PG - Paul Lee 6'1"

 

Reserves:

F/G - Chris Lutz 6'4"

F/G - Jeffrei Chan 6'2"

 

Average height of this team: 6'6"

 

What do you think guys?

 

[photographer]

I've been reviewing who could possibly be the next team members of the Smart Gilas team and this is what I have thought of ala PBA Fantasy...

 

1st Five:

C - Marcus Douthit 6'11"

PF - Yancy De Ocampo 6'9"

SF - Japeth Aguilar 6'9"

SG - Gabe Norwood 6'5"

PG - Alex Cabagnot 6'0"

 

2nd Five:

C - Greg Slaughter 7'0"

PF - Jun Fajardo 6'10"

SF - Arwind Santos 6'4"

SG - Bobby Ray Parks 6'5"

PG - Paul Lee 6'1"

 

Reserves:

F/G - Chris Lutz 6'4"

F/G - Jeffrei Chan 6'2"

 

Average height of this team: 6'6"

 

What do you think guys?

 

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Yancy de Ocampo? You still have faith on the way he plays basketball? Since you stated the height at 6'9", I assume you really mean Yancy not Ranidel.

[yrrah123456789]

I've been reviewing who could possibly be the next team members of the Smart Gilas team and this is what I have thought of ala PBA Fantasy...

 

1st Five:

C - Marcus Douthit 6'11"

PF - Yancy De Ocampo 6'9"

SF - Japeth Aguilar 6'9"

SG - Gabe Norwood 6'5"

PG - Alex Cabagnot 6'0"

 

2nd Five:

C - Greg Slaughter 7'0"

PF - Jun Fajardo 6'10"

SF - Arwind Santos 6'4"

SG - Bobby Ray Parks 6'5"

PG - Paul Lee 6'1"

 

Reserves:

F/G - Chris Lutz 6'4"

F/G - Jeffrei Chan 6'2"

 

Average height of this team: 6'6"

 

What do you think guys?

 

 

pwede nga. very promising line up lalo na sa mga bago.

[khilua23]

I've been reviewing who could possibly be the next team members of the Smart Gilas team and this is what I have thought of ala PBA Fantasy...

 

1st Five:

C - Marcus Douthit 6'11"

PF - Yancy De Ocampo 6'9"

SF - Japeth Aguilar 6'9"

SG - Gabe Norwood 6'5"

PG - Alex Cabagnot 6'0"

 

2nd Five:

C - Greg Slaughter 7'0"

PF - Jun Fajardo 6'10"

SF - Arwind Santos 6'4"

SG - Bobby Ray Parks 6'5"

PG - Paul Lee 6'1"

 

Reserves:

F/G - Chris Lutz 6'4"

F/G - Jeffrei Chan 6'2"

 

Average height of this team: 6'6"

 

What do you think guys?

 

 

 

yancy de ocampo? kung siya rin lang, mas mabuti nang si mick pennissi... ranidel stands only 6'5.. and yancy is 6'8...

 

para sa akin, malabo si arwind... magaling nga siya sa PBA, pero tignan niyo nangyari nung kay coach yeng led Phil. team.. hindi siya nakaporma sa mga 6'9-6'10 na kalaban. masyado naman siya mabagal for 2 or 3 spot.

 

then, lassiter ok naman pinakita niya last time.. kaya pwede parin siya consider. i think norwood's perimeter and 3-point shooting is below average considering diyan tayo dapat malakas.

 

hindi uubra ung mga lay-up ni cabagnot sa international lalo na malalaki mga nandun.

 

but, this is just my opinion.. peace! ^_^

[Droidz1979]

A team composed of 66.7% from the PBA does not work as shown by the previous teams that were formed half cooked and last minute without any real cohesion. Besides, their mother teams interest always comes first with the multi-million investment they've made to these players and the risk of injuries that it may result. I'd say continue a program of having players mostly/majority from the amateurs with longer contract this time around and at least 2 naturalized players while continuing to scout for Fil-am players elsewhere. My bet of players are :

 

1st Five:

C - MarcusDouthit 6'11"

PF/SF - Japeth Aguilar 6'9"

SF/PF - Aldrech Ramos 6'6"

SG - Bobby Ray Parks 6'3"

PG - Paul Lee 6'1" (kaso tumaggi nato noon)

 

2nd Five:

C - Greg Slaughter 7'0"

PF - Jun Fajardo 6'9" (player todevelop)

SF - Arwind Santos 6'6"

SG - Cris Tiu 5'11"

PG - Kiefer Ravena 5'11"

 

Other player options :

SF/G – Chris Lutz 6'4"

SF - Marcio Lassiter 6'4"

SF – Mike Silungan 6'3"

SF/G – Alex Nuyles 6'2"

SG – Calvin Abueva 6'2"

SF/G – Jeric Teng 6'2"

SG– Kevin Ferrer 6'2"

PG –Lester Alvarez 5'9"

PG– RR Garcia 5'10"

PG– Jeric Fortuna 5'7"

PF/C – Arnold Van Opstal 6'9" (player to develop)

PF– Norbert Torres 6'7" (player to develop)

PF/C – Another naturalized player or fil-am playerpref 7'0"

 

*red font are current PBA players

Edited October 13, 2011 by Droidz1979

[TERRENCE34]

@ Sir Photographer - My mistake. Actually I was looking for a tall player that might suit up for the PF position who can be intimidating inside the painted area. My only consideration here was his size. Aldrech Ramos can be a good option instead of Yancy.

 

@ Sir Khilua23 - Yes indeed, Lassiter can be a better SG than Norwood. Kailangan lang mag-improve ang consistency ng shooting nya.

 

I had a wonderful time thinking of a possible line-up for the next Gilas team.

 

Thanks for the comments guys .

[buwitre1781]

A team composed of 66.7% from the PBA does not work as shown by the previous teams that were formed half cooked and last minute without any real cohesion. Besides, their mother teams interest always comes first with the multi-million investment they've made to these players and the risk of injuries that it may result. I'd say continue a program of having players mostly/majority from the amateurs with longer contract this time around and at least 2 naturalized players while continuing to scout for Fil-am players elsewhere. My bet of players are :

 

1st Five:

C - MarcusDouthit 6'11"

PF/SF - Japeth Aguilar 6'9"

SF/PF - Aldrech Ramos 6'6"

SG - Bobby Ray Parks 6'3"

PG - Paul Lee 6'1" (kaso tumaggi nato noon)

 

2nd Five:

C - Greg Slaughter 7'0"

PF - Jun Fajardo 6'9" (player todevelop)

SF - Arwind Santos 6'6"

SG - Cris Tiu 5'11"

PG - Kiefer Ravena 5'11"

 

Other player options :

SF/G – Chris Lutz 6'4"

SF - Marcio Lassiter 6'4"

SF – Mike Silungan 6'3"

SF/G – Alex Nuyles 6'2"

SG – Calvin Abueva 6'2"

SF/G – Jeric Teng 6'2"

SG– Kevin Ferrer 6'2"

PG –Lester Alvarez 5'9"

PG– RR Garcia 5'10"

PG– Jeric Fortuna 5'7"

PF/C – Arnold Van Opstal 6'9" (player to develop)

PF– Norbert Torres 6'7" (player to develop)

PF/C – Another naturalized player or fil-am playerpref 7'0"

 

*red font are current PBA players

 

 

ure line-up is the most realistic. pwede pang magbuo jan ng team 1 at team 2 para mas lalong madevelop ang national team. although i dont think paul lee wold agree playing for the national team as well as with fajardo. si arwin santos pang pba lang siya although athletic sana pero nung past fiba experience nikya kitang kita ang pagtiklop niya. with japeth sana naman maimprove na siya sa pba and mabatak ung interior strength niya just like na nanguyari kay danny i dati na lampayatot pero would later become one of the best power forwards ng bansa. but so far you're line-up is the best. ung iba kasi porket magaling sa pba eh kala nila they will bring glory na.. ang kelangan kasi program at ang kailangan ung mga bata na maglalaro not only for 2-3 years but 5-10 years.

[rafael77]

sequence doesn't mean anything. changes and rigodons happened all throughout. in fact even at the last minute. chot reyes was never really critical of toroman. they have the same boss. si yeng 'foul-mouthed' guiao lang.

 

it was a 3-year program that ended 2 weeks before the olympic qualifier (the main goal). thats why in 2 weeks time they had to scramble for the final line-up.

 

u said toroman never had a program? and built a team around douthit and took it from there?

i just cant believe what i read.

baliktad ang pagkakaintindi mo kapatid.

fyi, smart gilas was already a team when douthit came. it was a 3 year program.

douthit was in the team for a year. ibig sabihin may smart gilas na bago pa dumating si douthit.

another proof of this was there were a few american and even a serbian who played for smart but never got toromans nod as the teams naturalized player. so how could u say that the team was built around douthit?

 

do u mind me asking, si yeng guiao ka ba? o si chot reyes?