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[camiar]

 

Ahhh. hangga't hindi pala nag 1,000,000% ang inflation natin, ok pa tayo...

 

https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Philippine-inflation-at-nine-year-high-pressures-central-bank

 

Gold medal tayo sa inflation sa Asia, at least...

 

Hindi.

 

I'm just saying it could be worse. But we're still good and the sky is not falling.

 

The government, Bangko Sentral and even congress has means to address the inflation issue.

 

They just have to have the political will to resist the demand from short-sighted knee-jerk reactionists to cancel the oil excise tax, or scrap the TRAIN law.

[moneyball]

They should scrap that TRAIN Law, or at least suspend the excise tax on fuel. Remember, we're a net importer of oil products, and therefore at the mercy of any kind of price fluctuation in the world market. Transportation on production costs take their cue from oil prices. Sa tingin mo, kanino pinapasa ang pagtaas ng tax at presyo ng gasolina?

[camiar]

They should scrap that TRAIN Law, or at least suspend the excise tax on fuel. Remember, we're a net importer of oil products, and therefore at the mercy of any kind of price fluctuation in the world market. Transportation on production costs take their cue from oil prices. Sa tingin mo, kanino pinapasa ang pagtaas ng tax at presyo ng gasolina?

So what kung ipasa sa atin ang pagtaas ng presyo ng gasolina due to excise tax? Consumption tax levels the playing field in distributing the tax burden. The more you consume, the more tax you contribute.

 

At least, tax burden is shouldered equitably by everybody. And I mean everybody. From the poorest to the wealthiest.

 

Kesa naman sa income tax ng middle class kunin tapos yung mga hindi nagbabayad ng tax ang makikinabang.

Edited September 9, 2018 by camiar

[moneyball]

So what kung ipasa sa atin ang pagtaas ng presyo ng gasolina due to excise tax? Consumption tax levels the playing field in distributing the tax burden. The more you consume, the more tax you contribute.

 

At least, tax burden is shouldered equitably by everybody. And I mean everybody. From the poorest to the wealthiest.

 

Kesa naman sa income tax ng middle class kunin tapos yung mga hindi nagbabayad ng tax ang makikinabang.

I wonder if you'll say the same thing if your budget for food alone is 50% or more of your monthly salary.

[tk421]

Equitably is not fairly.

 

Kung ang sweldo mo ay P200,000/month at magpapa gas ka sa kotse mo at ang gastos mo ay P1,500. Tapos yun kababayan mo na P20,000/month magpapa gas din at P1,500 din ang gastos niya. Yun kababayan mo ay 7.5% agad ng sweldo niya ang gastos niya, balibhasa sa iyo .75% lang ang apektado sa kabuuang sweldo mo.

 

Pwede ka pa gumimik, bumili ng 13 kilong sili o mag engrandeng salad meal bago pa mag patas sa 7.5% din ang gastos mo sa kababayan mong naghihirap.

[camiar]

Equitably is not fairly.

 

Kung ang sweldo mo ay P200,000/month at magpapa gas ka sa kotse mo at ang gastos mo ay P1,500. Tapos yun kababayan mo na P20,000/month magpapa gas din at P1,500 din ang gastos niya. Yun kababayan mo ay 7.5% agad ng sweldo niya ang gastos niya, balibhasa sa iyo .75% lang ang apektado sa kabuuang sweldo mo.

 

Pwede ka pa gumimik, bumili ng 13 kilong sili o mag engrandeng salad meal bago pa mag patas sa 7.5% din ang gastos mo sa kababayan mong naghihirap.

 

Check your dictionary. Equitable means fair and impartial.

 

If you're one of the 5% of the population who earns more than PhP 200K per month, you surely can afford your gas expenses. I'm sure you reached that stage in life through your own perseverance and hard work. You are entitled to enjoy that privilege.

 

If you're one of the 30% of the population who earns around PhP 20K per month, you definitely have to limit your expenses according to your capacity to pay. You limit your car travels, or you use public transportation. Someday, if you play your cards right, you may also earn PhP 200K per month and be able enjoy the privileges that kind of income gives you.

 

Ang definition mo ba ng fairness eh kung naghihirap ang isa, dapat lahat maghirap din?

Edited September 11, 2018 by camiar

[camiar]

I wonder if you'll say the same thing if your budget for food alone is 50% or more of your monthly salary.

 

Yes, I would.

 

I have been through that situation before and I was able to overcome it.

 

I have always supported taxation on consumption instead of on income.

Edited September 11, 2018 by camiar

[darksoulriver]

SC denied the request of Sen. Trillanes for TRO

 

what's' next?

[camiar]

Hindi daw pirmado ni Abnoy yung amnesty papers ni Trillanes?

 

Kaya ba di pumayag and SC sa TRO?

[tk421]

If you're one of the 5% of the population who earns more than PhP 200K per month, you surely can afford your gas expenses. I'm sure you reached that stage in life through your own perseverance and hard work. You are entitled to enjoy that privilege.

 

If you're one of the 30% of the population who earns around PhP 20K per month, you definitely have to limit your expenses according to your capacity to pay. You limit your car travels, or you use public transportation. Someday, if you play your cards right, you may also earn PhP 200K per month and be able enjoy the privileges that kind of income gives you.

 

I say check your's.

 

You say equitable, but your example does not reflect that. Equitable means the benefits/disadvantages are applied proportionally to all.

Edited September 12, 2018 by tk421

[camiar]

 

I say check your's.

 

You say equitable, but your example does not reflect that. Equitable means the benefits/disadvantages are applied proportionally to all.

Hahahahaha

 

Di ba proportionate yung enjoyment of benefits?

 

Mas marami kang pambili, mas marami kang mabibili. Kung konti lang pera mo, kelangan mong magtipid.

 

If you are industrious, disciplined, and smart, you earn more. You have the privilege to spend and enjoy the benefits that comes to you.

 

If you don't push yourself, remain in your mediocrity, act less smart, you earn less. You have less to enjoy.

 

Those are the realities of life. Fair, di ba?

 

Nobody handed me my 5-bedroom house and three cars for free. I worked really hard for years to earn it.

 

Do I feel guilty that you have to forgo your Starbucks Espresso so you can save enough to buy gasoline for your tiny car? Ummmm No.

 

Should you feel guilty that you have eaten your dinner but your neighborhood addict who spent his last money on shabu will go hungry tonight? I don't think so.

 

I don't think you have a clear concept of what fair means.

Edited September 12, 2018 by camiar

[tk421]

Hahahahaha

 

Di ba proportionate yung enjoyment of benefits?

 

Mas marami kang pambili, mas marami kang mabibili. Kung konti lang pera mo, kelangan mong magtipid.

 

If you are industrious, disciplined, and smart, you earn more. You have the privilege to spend and enjoy the benefits that comes to you.

 

If you don't push yourself, remain in your mediocrity, act less smart, you earn less. You have less to enjoy.

 

Those are the realities of life. Fair, di ba?

 

Nobody handed me my 5-bedroom house and three cars for free. I worked really hard for years to earn it.

 

Do I feel guilty that you have to forgo your Starbucks Espresso so you can save enough to buy gasoline for your tiny car? Ummmm No.

 

Should you feel guilty that you have eaten your dinner but your neighborhood addict who spent his last money on shabu will go hungry tonight? I don't think so.

 

I don't think you have a clear concept of what fair means.

 

 

Nope, review how proportions work. You're introducing unnecessary variables to the situation by mentioning Starbuck's and a 5 bedroom, 3 car to the equation, so you actually negate the proportional aspect of your argument.

 

Sa sample nga na pambili ng same amount of gas (or any basic commodity, for that matter), the price is the same for for rich and poor people. If it's proportional, then the price would scale according to that person's social standing. Something like adopting a system like price discrimination.

[camiar]

 

 

Nope, review how proportions work. You're introducing unnecessary variables to the situation by mentioning Starbuck's and a 5 bedroom, 3 car to the equation, so you actually negate the proportional aspect of your argument.

 

Sa sample nga na pambili ng same amount of gas (or any basic commodity, for that matter), the price is the same for for rich and poor people. If it's proportional, then the price would scale according to that person's social standing. Something like adopting a system like price discrimination.

Price discrimination? WTF is that?

 

Are those who are richer than you taking away your chances to earn more? Are you being prevented from enjoying the things that you can afford?

 

Are you saying that those who earn more than you do should forgo enjoying the fruits of their earnings unless you yourself can enjoy the same benefits, too?

 

You definitely don't have a clear concept of what fair is.

Edited September 16, 2018 by camiar

[tk421]

Price discrimination? WTF is that?

 

Are those who are richer than you taking away your chances to earn more? Are you being prevented from enjoying the things that you can afford?

 

Are you saying that those who earn more than you do should forgo enjoying the fruits of their earnings unless you yourself can enjoy the same benefits, too?

 

You definitely don't have a clear concept of what fair is.

1st paragraph mo: Magresearch ka o magbasa pa.

 

 

Your second paragraph: yes... and qualified yes. It should be should be able to afford... not can afford. Kung dati yun kasama mong kaya bumili ng ulam para sa 5 tao sa pamilya nya, ngayon pang 3 tao na lang kaya nyang bilin. Expound on that for a bit: kung pakainin ang pamilya nya, hirap na sya, paano pa nya ma i invest yun pero niya para sa kinabukasan nila? Kasi ang sweldo nya na galing sa mas mayaman sa kanya ay ganun pa din ang bigay sa kanya. Pero ang mga bilihin ay mas tumaas.

 

You actually are the one who views fairness in an elitist pov, actually.

 

Let me pose this scenerio for you: kung yun isang tycoon at isang minimum wage earner (na hindi drug addict, hindi tamad, etc), sabay magkaroon ng anak. Yun anak nilang 2, sino ang mas may chance na mag improve ang buhay (gawin natin equal din na parehong magiging hard-working yun 2 anak na yun... at hindi din sila magkakaroon ng masamang bisyo). Pantay ba ang magiging pag angat nila?

Edited September 17, 2018 by tk421

[camiar]

^^^ your reply is way out of context. What's so unfair in the scenarios you gave?

 

I earn PhP 200K a month and I enjoy my coffee made from specially roasted, hand-picked beans that would cost me Php 200 per cup.

 

You earn PhP20K per month and you enjoy your coffee made from 3-in-1 instant mix costing PhP 8 per cup.

 

Fair or not?

 

Is my enjoyment of the fruits of my labor being unfair to you?

 

Is it now clear enough to you that you're clueless on what fairness really means?

Edited September 17, 2018 by camiar