Current Events Tidbits Et Al

[tk421]

Correct me if I'm wrong: Sumimoto was chosen as the maintenance provider... but does it need public bidding or no?

[rooster69ph]

From what i hear sa program ni kabayan parang ayaw ni sumitomo or tinanghihan niya na bumalik to provide maintenance.

 

Sa press release parang govt to govt ang negosasyon wherein si sumitomo supposedly ang magproprovide ng service.

 

Am not sure how this works but parang di nga dadaan sa bidding. Maybe the dds can shed light into this matter

[haroots2]

 

Speaking of changing the topic.

 

Nice work on the traffic thread, Nag ask ako ng particular na project na sinasabi mo na questionable. Alas, nag change ka ng topic about sa sumitomo being awarded as the maintenance provider ng MRT. Bravo Haroots2

 

Posting the link on the awarding to Sumitomo is just an FYI post. Bawal ba yun hindi naman niya OT diba? Its' not even a reply to your post.

Edited December 6, 2017 by haroots2

[rooster69ph]

 

Speaking of changing the topic.

 

Nice work on the traffic thread, Nag ask ako ng particular na project na sinasabi mo na questionable. Alas, nag change ka ng topic about sa sumitomo being awarded as the maintenance provider ng MRT. Bravo Haroots2

Parang yun pangungutya na palpak dahil sa lumabas na risk issues at nun tinanong bakit di ipinatigil ni lodi ayun change to graft and corruption ang issue bigla di naman nasabi ano ba ang pagkakamali at anong corruption ang naganap. Hayz

[haroots2]

Parang yun pangungutya na palpak dahil sa lumabas na risk issues at nun tinanong bakit di ipinatigil ni lodi ayun change to graft and corruption ang issue bigla di naman nasabi ano ba ang pagkakamali at anong corruption ang naganap. Hayz

 

Ang palpak dito is the decision making if you analyze the article I've posted unless mayroon talagang corruption ang initial intention nila sa project. Wala pa naman may alam nun na may side effect yung vaccine pero tayo yung unang nag mass implementation without any concrete study by the WHO tapos minadali pa ayun sablay tuloy ngayon.

Edited December 6, 2017 by haroots2

[tk421]

As I know, this was vetted by WHO before it was implemented.

 

For sure there was not a long-term study yet as it was pretty new at the time. There was a WHO guideline (I think) that says that it can be used on populations where there were high prevalence of Dengue for which the PH qualified for.

 

For corruption allegation: if proven, then the guilty party should be punished. This is where an audit comes in.

[rooster69ph]

 

Ang palpak dito is the decision making if you analyze the article I've posted unless mayroon talagang corruption ang initial intention nila sa project. Wala pa naman may alam nun na may side effect yung vaccine pero tayo yung unang nag mass implementation without any concrete study by the WHO tapos minadali pa ayun sablay tuloy ngayon.

Una the program had a backing of who. Google mo philstar dtd 4/19/16 WHO backs DOH anti dengue vaccination program. So are you misleading us to win an argument.

 

Kaya nga kita tinatanong kung may corruption ano ang pruweba? Kung palpak un naging desisyon to implement bakit di pinatigil ng current admin?

 

in fact base sa isang article na nabasa ko un 2nd phase ng vaccination program from oct to dec 2016 mga higit kumulang sa 415k na katao ang nabakunahan. So sino-sino accountable sa lahat ng nabakunahan dapat? Tuturo mo na naman lahat ng kapalpakan kay penoy? Hugas kamay sa 2nd phase na si lodi na nasa pwesto?

 

Kung mangutya ka kasi ...

 

So tinanong mo kung pinayuhan ba ni PNoy magpabakuna si Bimby eh bakit di mo kutyain at tanungin din kung pinayuhan ba ni Lodi magpabakuna yun daughter niya sa kanyang kabit.

 

Problema sa inyo pag mabagal kasi pinagaaralan pinadadaan sa bidding at kung anu anong proseso sasabihing walang ginagawa. Eh paano naman KUNG malinis ang intensiyon at naniniwala na maganda ang programa kaya minadali ang implementasyon ... ayun sisi din kasi minadali at di pinagaralan o naghintay muna ng 1-2 years. Lol. O ngayon alam na paano magisip ang dutertards.

Edited December 6, 2017 by rooster69ph

[daphne loves derby]

Una the program had a backing of who. Google mo philstar dtd 4/19/16 WHO backs DOH anti dengue vaccination program. So are you misleading us to win an argument.

 

 

 

No recommendation to use Dengvaxia, WHO clarifies

Published December 5, 2017 8:43pm

 

In a statement, WHO said such recommendation was not included in its position paper released in July last year.

"WHO's position on the dengue vaccine was published in July 2016, based on recommendations of the strategic group of experts on immunisation which met and published preliminary advice in mid-April 2016," WHO said.

 

It added, "The WHO position paper did not include a recommendation to countries to introduce the dengue vaccine into their national immunization programs."

Edited December 6, 2017 by daphne loves derby

[rooster69ph]

So paano yan nun ni launch yun programa sabi ng who country rep yun vaccine effort natin is consistent with the recommendations made by the WHO expert grp. Vs yun sinasabi umano sa position paper later on na lumabas lang nun jul 2016.

 

In other words is it possible it was implemented in good faith by the past admin sans the availability of the WHO position paper? But what abt the duterte admin? Why did they continue the program depite the position paper saying so?

 

Well simple lang yan sa tingin ko...walang problema naman kung sabihin na naging pabaya un past admin. What abt the current admin they are equally liable as well. Sabay na lang ipakulong si du30 at penoy.

[JFK]

The dengue vaccine was implemented during PNoy's time which should not have been in the first place. Health Sec. Garin even suggested not to implement it but PNoy still insisted on it. Period.

 

http://www.manilatimes.net/aquino-ordered-health-secretary-buy-p3-5-b-defective-dengue-vaccine/366550/

Edited December 6, 2017 by JFK

[tk421]

 

What is WHO’s current position on the use of Dengvaxia®?

Following recommendations made by the Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) on immunization, WHO’s advisory body on vaccination, a position paper was published in July 2016 based on the data available at that time. The position paper makes a conditional recommendation on the use of the vaccine for highly endemic areas.

http://www.who.int/immunization/diseases/dengue/q_and_a_dengue_vaccine_dengvaxia/en/

 

[rooster69ph]

The dengue vaccine was implemented during PNoy's time which should not have been in the first place. Health Sec. Garin even suggested not to implement it but PNoy still insisted on it. Period.

 

http://www.manilatimes.net/aquino-ordered-health-secretary-buy-p3-5-b-defective-dengue-vaccine/366550/

Granted, Digong should have discontinued it. He didn't thus he is liable too.

 

Simple as that

[JFK]

Granted, Digong should have discontinued it. He didn't thus he is liable too.

 

Simple as that

Former Health Sec. Ubial discontinued it but implemented it again. The present, Health Sec. Duque has put it on hold.

 

Now again, we would NOT have this problem in the first place if they did not implement it. Also, simple as that. They created this problem.

 

I also would like to add that the WHO has denied making a recommendatiion to use this dengue vaccine. (see link below)

http://m.philstar.com/782974/show/adb478d637bca91c8a3b50b54fad87be/

 

May bahid pang corruption sina PNoy. Overpriced. (see link below)

http://www.newspunchupdate.com/2017/12/journalist-says-that-controversial.html?m=1

Edited December 6, 2017 by JFK

[rooster69ph]

Former Health Sec. Ubial discontinued it but implemented it again. The present, Health Sec. Duque has put it on hold.

Now again, we would NOT have this problem in the first place if they did not implement it. Also, simple as that. They created this problem.

I also would like to add that the WHO has denied making a recommendatiion to use this dengue vaccine. (see link below)http://m.philstar.com/782974/show/adb478d637bca91c8a3b50b54fad87be/

May bahid pang corruption sina PNoy. Overpriced. (see link below)http://www.newspunchupdate.com/2017/12/journalist-says-that-controversial.html?m=1

 

Ikaw na nagsabi Sec Ubial discontinued it but implemented it again .... Despite the WHO position paper? Aba sino ang mas isa't kalahating tanga...yun nag implement na wala pa yun position paper o yun nag implement pa rin despite naglabas na ng position paper ang WHO. Panahon na ni Duterte turok pa rin sila ng turok at hindi pinatigil ito. Aba kung tanga pala sinundan mo may karapatang ka na rin maging tanga without liability.

 

Yes in hindsight, we would not have this problem if it was not implemented in the first place. Everyone is always correct in hindsight. However it would not reach the current magnitude if not also for the negligence and incompetence of the current admin who had the power to discontinue the program since there is already the published WHO position paper which i supposed was not available to the previous admin. WHO can deny making any recommendation ... Then the more the Duterte admin should have stop the program ASAP last jul 2016 and not only now.

 

Now sa overpricing issue kung totoo man eh let those involve suffer the full penalty of the law. Now if sa pagpatuloy ng programa eh may overpricing din sa administrasyong duterte then hindi ba obvious dapat accountable din kung sino man. Now kung wala naman then well and good. Patas lang sa lahat.

[rooster69ph]

 

This essentially is how the argument looks like...

 

 

Dutertards : PNoy created a problem when it implemented the dengue vaccination program. (Daming pang sinabi &@$/$&@- )

It should have never been implemented in the first place!

 

 

Juan dela Cruz: i totally agree with you, so what did the Duterte admin do to the program?

 

Dutertards : well it was continued but stoped recently nun pumutok na ang issue.

 

Juan dela Cruz : what?! Alam ninyo mali and yet why only stop it now? so who is at fault here? Who should be held accountable?

 

Dutertards : siyempre si PNoy at yun tao niyang involved lang, sila yun nagpasimula eh, sinundan lang naman namin kaya bakit kami

idadawit sa mga pagkakamali.