jun dela cruz Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 kapag maraming hindi edukado, boto yan para sa mga hangal na governemtn officials...parang squatters yan di inaalis kasi boto. Meron daw utos sa public schools na walang ibabagsak, dapat lahat ipasa, para mabakante ang mga classrooms sa mga susunod na papasok. Quote Link to comment
Queen Darkeinjel Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 It's too late to post here, although I would like to air something. I tutored two public school students late last year to early this year. The subjects I covered: Math, Science and English. Here are the things that I noticed: 2nd year HS student: -Can't even solve for the value of x in a simple equation-Can't even multiply 5 digit numbers if not given about 2 hours to solve a 10 problem page. Then gets 2/10 score-Can't identify a specimen from common name to scientific name-Can't even identify the basic parts of a gumamela flower-Can't make complete sentences using English-Demonstrates no knowledge of basic subject-verb agreement-Doesn't know when and how to use prepositions and articles-Can't form plural of nouns both regular and irregular -Does not know the simple past tense of regular and irregular verbs-Tested listening skills by playing a DVD in English and giving comprehension test - got a score of 2/20 Other 2nd year HS students -Blank grade in the class card for one grading period-Miraculously passed grade in the next grading period-Same deficiencies as noted above 4th year HS students -Blank grade in the class card for one grading period-Miracle save the next grading period-Same deficiencies as noted above-Graduated from HS last March 6th grade Elementary student - Can't multiply decimals efficiently- Can't understand word problems- Can't form plural and past tense - Can't construct basic sentences (S-V-O)- Can't read properly- Can't introduce herself in English- Graduated from 6th grade last March If the above mentioned problems are not an indictment of the public school system, I don't know what is. I understand the plight of those teachers who really chose vocation over profession. However, is it right to pass students for the sake of passing them without making so that they don't crowd the room on the next school year? If this is the case, then I don't have to wonder why the country is not improving. We're placing our futures in the hands of those who can't even spell right to save their own lives. Am not saying the whole public school system is in the same boat as that of the school from which the above mentioned come from. However, they can be a great indicator that the government has forgotten one key aspect to make the nation better. Giving the opportunity to the younger generation to build a better lives for themselves. Quote Link to comment
Jourdan Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 It's too late to post here, although I would like to air something. I tutored two public school students late last year to early this year. The subjects I covered: Math, Science and English. Here are the things that I noticed: 2nd year HS student: -Can't even solve for the value of x in a simple equation-Can't even multiply 5 digit numbers if not given about 2 hours to solve a 10 problem page. Then gets 2/10 score-Can't identify a specimen from common name to scientific name-Can't even identify the basic parts of a gumamela flower-Can't make complete sentences using English-Demonstrates no knowledge of basic subject-verb agreement-Doesn't know when and how to use prepositions and articles-Can't form plural of nouns both regular and irregular -Does not know the simple past tense of regular and irregular verbs-Tested listening skills by playing a DVD in English and giving comprehension test - got a score of 2/20 Other 2nd year HS students -Blank grade in the class card for one grading period-Miraculously passed grade in the next grading period-Same deficiencies as noted above 4th year HS students -Blank grade in the class card for one grading period-Miracle save the next grading period-Same deficiencies as noted above-Graduated from HS last March 6th grade Elementary student - Can't multiply decimals efficiently- Can't understand word problems- Can't form plural and past tense - Can't construct basic sentences (S-V-O)- Can't read properly- Can't introduce herself in English- Graduated from 6th grade last March If the above mentioned problems are not an indictment of the public school system, I don't know what is. I understand the plight of those teachers who really chose vocation over profession. However, is it right to pass students for the sake of passing them without making so that they don't crowd the room on the next school year? If this is the case, then I don't have to wonder why the country is not improving. We're placing our futures in the hands of those who can't even spell right to save their own lives. Am not saying the whole public school system is in the same boat as that of the school from which the above mentioned come from. However, they can be a great indicator that the government has forgotten one key aspect to make the nation better. Giving the opportunity to the younger generation to build a better lives for themselves. Lets please not generalize and condemn the public school system. This issue with stupid students exists in any country; it's not unique to the Philippines.The mere fact that you needed to tutor them means they probably were at the tail-end of the curve. So they may not be representative of the lot. You can't solve the problem in one big swoop. Resources are limited. So you concentrate your resources on people who could produce more over time. Ergo, you have special government schools, e.g., science high schools and state universities. High student selectivity, fewer students, focused learning. What comes out? Really smart people with high upsides. People who could help build the country from within OR siphon the money out of the industrialized nations and into to the Philippines. Hopefully, you'll build a critical mass of professionals who would rather work for nation-building than ask for more gov't dole-outs. And this is happening right now. So I urge people to temper the gloom and doom. We are improving. The Philippines is getting better. Quote Link to comment
Queen Darkeinjel Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Lets please not generalize and condemn the public school system. This issue with stupid students exists in any country; it's not unique to the Philippines.The mere fact that you needed to tutor them means they probably were at the tail-end of the curve. So they may not be representative of the lot. You can't solve the problem in one big swoop. Resources are limited. So you concentrate your resources on people who could produce more over time. Ergo, you have special government schools, e.g., science high schools and state universities. High student selectivity, fewer students, focused learning. What comes out? Really smart people with high upsides. People who could help build the country from within OR siphon the money out of the industrialized nations and into to the Philippines. Hopefully, you'll build a critical mass of professionals who would rather work for nation-building than ask for more gov't dole-outs. And this is happening right now. So I urge people to temper the gloom and doom. We are improving. The Philippines is getting better. Sorry, but if there's one thing that I would not agree with is calling any student stupid for any matter. As for the quality of education, I've known people who came from regular public schools, not the science high schools but did well in life. That's the thing, we focus on those specialized high schools which to use your words have high student selectivity, fewer students, etc. But the question still remains, how about regular public schools which is more accessible to those less fortunate students? Should we sacrifice their quality in favor of those science high schools? Quote Link to comment
Jourdan Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Sorry, but if there's one thing that I would not agree with is calling any student stupid for any matter. I know that every educator would like to believe that all students are equally capable of learning. Well, that's romantic and all. But genetics tell a different story. Humans are not born equal. You give two persons the same level of training and they will not have the same aptitude. And sorry, I'm not the one to sugarcoat reality. The labels become derogatory precisely because we put too much emphasis on their negative, emotionally-charged connotations. To me a stupid person is someone far below the norm - it is as factually, clinically dry as it can get. It is what it is. Calling him "special" or "needing of guidance", etc doesn't change the fact that he is intellectually uncompetitive. As for the quality of education, I've known people who came from regular public schools, not the science high schools but did well in life. That's the thing, we focus on those specialized high schools which to use your words have high student selectivity, fewer students, etc. But the question still remains, how about regular public schools which is more accessible to those less fortunate students? Should we sacrifice their quality in favor of those science high schools? again, we're talking anecdotes versus statistics. apples to oranges. I also know people from public non-science HS who did good in life. So I don't discount that. But here's the deal, I would bet my life that the success rate of people from specialized highs schools and state universities are far higher than those of non-science HS and state universities; the ratio of successful professionals to specialized school graduates is far higher than that of professionals to general public school graduates. And it is even likely that the total income of that small minority will likely be more than the combined income of all the professionals from general public schools. The concept of pooling your resources to develop your top talent isn't something new. In fact, it is a tried and tested ASIAN formula. All the "miracle economies", e.g., Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, Hongkong, etc, have adopted that policy. Why? because top talents bring you exponential gains; they eventually give more money back than what you spend on them. You ask me a question abt regular schools and the less fortunate and my answer is YES. Whilst it is counter-intuitive to sacrifice the likely majority for a few, this is actually a better policy than the egalitarian system that you seem to suggest. Remember that you have a small pie. If you split that equally over a multitude just so you satisfy your desire for "fairness", you'd end up giving each one crumbs - too little to satisfy hunger, maybe a bit insulting too. So not only that you really didn't substantially feed anyone, you also piss them off. Now, if you split that small pie and gave a bigger share to the smart ones, those well-fed smart ones could eventually grow up and learn to bake more pies. They then could help you feed the less smart ones. The concept of maximizing returns by intelligently investing resources is well ingrained in business and economics. I don't get it that we just throw reason out of the window when we suddenly are dealing with social sciences, like humans are all of a sudden immune to the principles of basic math. Now, am I advocating that we simply abandon those less smart kids? NO. We need Indians as much as we need Chiefs. So the right approach is to invest in them commensurate to what they can give in return; to each according to his abilities. Obviously, even among the Indians, there will be ranks. Some might break out, have an epiphany and become Chiefs themselves. All the better. As for the rest of the Indians, don't feel too bad for them. They have come a long way since. In the olden times, they'd be sold as slaves, asked to fight wars and die, or simply die out of abject poverty. Now, we have social security, labor laws, and we have NGOs to come to their aid. Oh, and they can vote nincompoops in office. So with that perspective, it isn't that bad. It's not good, definitely could be better. But let's not overreact and be gloomy with all these. We're too soft as a people. We need to toughen up a bit. Quote Link to comment
sonnyt111 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I know that every educator would like to believe that all students are equally capable of learning. Well, that's romantic and all. But genetics tell a different story. Humans are not born equal. You give two persons the same level of training and they will not have the same aptitude. And sorry, I'm not the one to sugarcoat reality. The labels become derogatory precisely because we put too much emphasis on their negative, emotionally-charged connotations. To me a stupid person is someone far below the norm - it is as factually, clinically dry as it can get. It is what it is. Calling him "special" or "needing of guidance", etc doesn't change the fact that he is intellectually uncompetitive. again, we're talking anecdotes versus statistics. apples to oranges. I also know people from public non-science HS who did good in life. So I don't discount that. But here's the deal, I would bet my life that the success rate of people from specialized highs schools and state universities are far higher than those of non-science HS and state universities; the ratio of successful professionals to specialized school graduates is far higher than that of professionals to general public school graduates. And it is even likely that the total income of that small minority will likely be more than the combined income of all the professionals from general public schools. The concept of pooling your resources to develop your top talent isn't something new. In fact, it is a tried and tested ASIAN formula. All the "miracle economies", e.g., Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, Hongkong, etc, have adopted that policy. Why? because top talents bring you exponential gains; they eventually give more money back than what you spend on them. You ask me a question abt regular schools and the less fortunate and my answer is YES. Whilst it is counter-intuitive to sacrifice the likely majority for a few, this is actually a better policy than the egalitarian system that you seem to suggest. Remember that you have a small pie. If you split that equally over a multitude just so you satisfy your desire for "fairness", you'd end up giving each one crumbs - too little to satisfy hunger, maybe a bit insulting too. So not only that you really didn't substantially feed anyone, you also piss them off. Now, if you split that small pie and gave a bigger share to the smart ones, those well-fed smart ones could eventually grow up and learn to bake more pies. They then could help you feed the less smart ones. The concept of maximizing returns by intelligently investing resources is well ingrained in business and economics. I don't get it that we just throw reason out of the window when we suddenly are dealing with social sciences, like humans are all of a sudden immune to the principles of basic math. Now, am I advocating that we simply abandon those less smart kids? NO. We need Indians as much as we need Chiefs. So the right approach is to invest in them commensurate to what they can give in return; to each according to his abilities. Obviously, even among the Indians, there will be ranks. Some might break out, have an epiphany and become Chiefs themselves. All the better. As for the rest of the Indians, don't feel too bad for them. They have come a long way since. In the olden times, they'd be sold as slaves, asked to fight wars and die, or simply die out of abject poverty. Now, we have social security, labor laws, and we have NGOs to come to their aid. Oh, and they can vote nincompoops in office. So with that perspective, it isn't that bad. It's not good, definitely could be better. But let's not overreact and be gloomy with all these. We're too soft as a people. We need to toughen up a bit. So the bottom line is, as far as you're conerned, invest more resources on assets which promise a higher rate of return. The observation that some students show more promise because they display seemingly higher intelligence may be the result of proper motivation rather than plain intelligence. These students are fortunate to have good teachers, good facilities, good motivation. Students who may be equally intelligent but are unfortunate to have bad teachers, poor facilities, and poor motivation may tend to score lower than their more fortunate counterparts. Then again, what's the point in investing in these "bright kids" if these students decide one day they want to seek greener pastures elsewhere? How does investing in these kids' education today emsure that they will one day re-invest their knowledge into our society? Let's face it. The smart kids who eventually become successful leave this country to make something of themselves abroad. The not so smart kids and those smart kids who never made anything of themsleves because of lack of opportunity remain here. This has been going on since time immemorial. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking the future of education in this country is all hunky dory. Quote Link to comment
Doctor Juris Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) far as I know the salaries of teachers in public schools have become almost at par if not a little higher than in some private schools and that's the reason why some private schools are losing their teachers who decide to transfer to the public school system. this may good but I still think a ladderized school program that allows students to go on to regular 4 or 5 year courses after finishing tech-voc courses that give opportunities for employment is essential so we can have more graduates coming out of the 4-5 yr courses that give better chances for employment both outside and abroad. this will help decrease unemployment and also reduce poverty Edited November 27, 2014 by Doctor Juris Quote Link to comment
CountDuku Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Oo na. Marami na tayong alam tungkol sa Public School system not being effective. Question is what are we going to do to help? Wala rin? Eh di pareho lang tayo. Quote Link to comment
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viii Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 madami kasi problema ang public school. sa totoo lang ayaw naman kasi ng gobyerno na maging edukado ang mga mahihirap.kung marunong mag isip para sa sarili ang masa sa tingin nyo ba mananalo pa sa pulitika yung mga magnanakaw na yan... mas gusto ng mga naka pwesto na nag hihirap ang tao kasi sa dami ng problema ng mga mahihirap masyado na sila distracted para problemahin pa ang mga issue ng bayan. pag inayos mo yung education system ng bansa wala nang pag asa yung mga pulitiko, kaya pinababayaan talaga nila yang mga public schools at state universities natin. Quote Link to comment
FleurDeLune Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Oo na. Marami na tayong alam tungkol sa Public School system not being effective. Question is what are we going to do to help? Wala rin? Eh di pareho lang tayo. If the government itself can’t do anything to help its own system, how much more the other? Yeah sure we can blame anyone and anything endlessly but let’s just be aware that we are part of the system thus far. This may sound too cliché but why don’t we look around and look at ourselves, then, and only then we can realize that the problem is also within us. So it boils down now to self-reliant, that is, if this ‘self’ (being hyphenated with 'reliant' or as compound words) rings a bell to many. Quote Link to comment
rey.etder Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 they (government officials) dont wanna fix the public school system for one reason: Votes! Hows the population of the poor in the PH? you know the approximate figures. That means more student in the public school. The more they keep the public school system a crap, the more people will have crap education with a mind that can easily be twisted. Therefore, soon, when they grow 18year of age, they can easily be manipulated into voting the candidate who handed them what? 100peso bill? 100 peso bill? maybe not all, but thats how it works, the more stupid eligible voters are there in the country, the corrupt people can easily manipulate things. its a cycle. Quote Link to comment
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ironarm_3@yahoo.com Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 according to the news this week, employers now prefer PUP grads over the traditional Big 4, UP, ADMU, DLSU, and UST. Apparently it is because grads of the big 4 are "difficult to deal with and are too self-entitled" Quote Link to comment
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