fatchubs Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 fatchubs, that's the problem i had with the trade? why jensen and not manuel? because of maliksi? manuel can play the 4 position...as for the trade tenorio, maliksi, jensen = alvarez, ballesteros, manuel... it ain't about the talent it's what the team needs... give two years, alvarez will be one of the better pgs in the pba...as for manuel, he shows the potential and the never say die spirit which jensen and ellis doesn't show, maybe because they grew up elsewhere and never witnessed the never say die ginebra attitude...ballesteros... hmmmmm... he's not just big and he is no sam eman or magi sison either...put it this way if ballesteros were in tnt or ros that'd be scary again... let's unload the pgs... and start with siot... hehehee Tenorio is already one of the best PG we have now and he will still be even in 2 years time. Lester is a potential ... he actually may or may not become the player you expect him to be. Looking to win now, then you go for a proven commodity rather than potential. Jensen I believe can also play the 3 or the 4 position as well but has been called to play mostly 3. He Is taller than Manuel who is listed at 6'5" but is actually 2-3 inches shorter except for his big frame. Overall, yes Manuel have a better game. But to me I think he is more of an inside player,something that GSM does not need considering the team primarily needs a center and that is I think where Ballesteros fits in. Manuel if you want him to play 3 I think we are all set in that position with Ellis and Dylan plus jensen. As for playing the 4, well he could improve the position but is more of a luxury at this point considering we are not really lacking in PF. Besides he will be an undersized 4. As you said it is what the team needs .... It is really the only CENTER position at this point . the team does not need Manuel. If ever he would be a luxury, an upgrade over Willy wilson and perhaps Rudy Hatfield. GSM can live without him. And if what the team needs is actually only Ballesteros, you don't probably even need to use Tenorio as part of the trade asset to be able to get him. Quote Link to comment
dfgvan Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 uhm sir fatchubs, a center plays inside right? manuel offers an inside game although he is not a center...what i mean is that the inside presence should be there offensively, manuel can provide that...as for lester, i added him because the gsm would need another pg in case tenorio gets traded...again, tenorio is no a running pg, he is a half court set player as with his days with ateneo... if they want a running game, tenorio is not the key... they need an inside big to provide the rebounds and be a defensive threatalso they would need more consistency in the 3 and 4 position to run, maierhofer is the only 4 who runs in this team...if manuel joins ginebra then that 4 position will really be sealed for a running game...imagine this line up... jason, rico, vic, ellis, caguioa... Quote Link to comment
dfgvan Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Pumaren is in need of a PG. Cortez would probably be to his liking. Now its a matter of determining who among the big men they have is acceptable to us and they are willing to part with. Rob Reyes, Taha, Sena and Baclao are some names . Personally a straight up one on one trade involving Cortez and either of Reyes, Sena or Taha can be done. If its Baclao, I doubt if pakakawalan yan ng Air21 kung si Cortez lang ang kapalit. BTW, Ginebra already owns the draft pick of air21 for next year. Therefore most likely it will end up as either a number 1 or 2 pick. If not Greg then probably another Filam big. what if this is a ginebra ploy just like 1995...before it was marlou this season for greg slaughter... hehehe Quote Link to comment
fatchubs Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 uhm sir fatchubs, a center plays inside right? manuel offers an inside game although he is not a center...what i mean is that the inside presence should be there offensively, manuel can provide that...as for lester, i added him because the gsm would need another pg in case tenorio gets traded...again, tenorio is no a running pg, he is a half court set player as with his days with ateneo... if they want a running game, tenorio is not the key... they need an inside big to provide the rebounds and be a defensive threatalso they would need more consistency in the 3 and 4 position to run, maierhofer is the only 4 who runs in this team...if manuel joins ginebra then that 4 position will really be sealed for a running game...imagine this line up... jason, rico, vic, ellis, caguioa...There are centers that plays also on the outside ... Mick Penisi is one of them. So the question is do you really want a CENTER that can provide the rebounds and be a defensive threat or a POWER FORWARD, an undersized one at that, who can play inside offensively but may be too small to intimidate or match-up against taller opponents. I beg to disagree, LA has the speed to play a running game we've seen him do that just like against the BAtang Pier. He can set up (halfcourt) plays too. We can play Jensen at the 4, the guy can run. Hatfield I believe still can run the break. But as I said I do not disagree that Manuel can provide an upgrade at the 4 but then it is more of a luxury than a necessity. Besides there will now be am excess of PF in the team ...we'll have manuel, Wilson, Rico, Hatfield and Espiritu. That's 5 PF in the team not to count Kerby who plays that position as well. And yet you're talking about balance when the trade to get Manuel will lead to a situation of an over supply of PF. Manuel I believe is not a rebounding demon ... undersize pa. How can we run if that lineup with a frontline of rico and Manuel can't control the boards and we can't be competitive defensively against bigger teams like purefoods? what if this is a ginebra ploy just like 1995...before it was marlou this season for greg slaughter... hehehe I think they really have that intent when they traded with Air21 Quote Link to comment
Kazekage.Gaara Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 sir kyoji, walang team na papayag kung si cortez ang isasama (well siguro kung air21 or global port hehehe)tenorio will be the trade bait here... dun sa suggestion ko na trade mababalance ng ginebra ang talent nila with the addition of two big guys, one of which can play multiple positions) and a steady point guard with international experience...hindi na sila heavy sa sf at guards... balanse na ang team pwede siguro trade nila si cortez sa air21 or global port for a future draft pick (greg slaughter) Then balewala yung trade na ginawa nila for Tenorio. Do remember that they got Tenorio to stabilize their aging back court of MC11 and JJ13, not to mention Labagala. They won't trade away Tenorio, unless it's really for a big name, and a 1 on 1 trade at that. There are centers that plays also on the outside ... Mick Penisi is one of them. So the question is do you really want a CENTER that can provide the rebounds and be a defensive threat or a POWER FORWARD, an undersized one at that, who can play inside offensively but may be too small to intimidate or match-up against taller opponents. I beg to disagree, LA has the speed to play a running game we've seen him do that just like against the BAtang Pier. He can set up (halfcourt) plays too. We can play Jensen at the 4, the guy can run. Hatfield I believe still can run the break. But as I said I do not disagree that Manuel can provide an upgrade at the 4 but then it is more of a luxury than a necessity. Besides there will now be am excess of PF in the team ...we'll have manuel, Wilson, Rico, Hatfield and Espiritu. That's 5 PF in the team not to count Kerby who plays that position as well. And yet you're talking about balance when the trade to get Manuel will lead to a situation of an over supply of PF. Manuel I believe is not a rebounding demon ... undersize pa. How can we run if that lineup with a frontline of rico and Manuel can't control the boards and we can't be competitive defensively against bigger teams like purefoods? I think they really have that intent when they traded with Air21 So far, the only teams na pwede nilang pagtrade-an na may interesadong magbigay ng big man would be Global and Air 21. The rest won't budge their lineups unless Eala gets a stupid idea in his empty head to mess up the SMC teams even further. KUNG MAY TAGA GINEBRA MANAGEMENT MAN NA MEMBER NG MTC... PLEASE LET ALFRANCIS CHUA COACH THE TEAM, kahit isang game lang. If the team wins, then let him coach until the team loses. Pag nagtuloy tuloy, ibig sabihin, si Siot talaga ang buwisit sa lineup. Quote Link to comment
dfgvan Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 oh well... yung discussion natin about trades and coaches ay malamang di mapansin unless dun tayo as aktv magpost... i have a better idea... EB tayo... next game ng ginebra tapos pagawa ako tarpaulin saying that siot should resign from the team. Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 oh well... yung discussion natin about trades and coaches ay malamang di mapansin unless dun tayo as aktv magpost... i have a better idea... EB tayo... next game ng ginebra tapos pagawa ako tarpaulin saying that siot should resign from the team. Good idea kaya lang baka palabasin tayo sa coliseum Pero it would be nice na maski isang laro lang magkita kits tayo at manood Quote Link to comment
dfgvan Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Good idea kaya lang baka palabasin tayo sa coliseum Pero it would be nice na maski isang laro lang magkita kits tayo at manood freedom of speech di ba??? but i think the gsm management would really look at it with some concern if fans would actually do that... Quote Link to comment
brun0magtangol Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 oh well... yung discussion natin about trades and coaches ay malamang di mapansin unless dun tayo as aktv magpost... i have a better idea... EB tayo... next game ng ginebra tapos pagawa ako tarpaulin saying that siot should resign from the team.ayus yan... spakol pagkatapos... ayus me alibi na uli ako... Quote Link to comment
dfgvan Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 hahaha... as sabi ni photographer malamang di natin matapos ang game pag may pinakita tayong banner na magresign na si siot... kaya diretso spakol na tayo Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 freedom of speech di ba??? but i think the gsm management would really look at it with some concern if fans would actually do that... Iniisip ko lang baka maglulupasay at gayahin ni Siot yung ginawa ng coach namin nuon sa Toyota, si Fort Acuna nang sabihan siya ni manager and owner Dante Silverio na tanggal na siya as coach ng team. Ayun, uminom ng Baygon, PATAY! Quote Link to comment
dfgvan Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Iniisip ko lang baka maglulupasay at gayahin ni Siot yung ginawa ng coach namin nuon sa Toyota, si Fort Acuna nang sabihan siya ni manager and owner Dante Silverio na tanggal na siya as coach ng team. Ayun, uminom ng Baygon, PATAY! i think that case was because they didn't win the grand slam that year... actually natakot ako na baka gayahin yun ni derek pumaren nung 1995... Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 hahaha... as sabi ni photographer malamang di natin matapos ang game pag may pinakita tayong banner na magresign na si siot... kaya diretso spakol na tayo Happy............Happy Sauna Quote Link to comment
dfgvan Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 ipapalipat ba natin sa MPS or SPA thread ang BGK thread??? hahahhaha... yung case dun sa toyota was more of hindi sila nag grandslam kaya siya nagpakamatay... akala ko mauulit yun nung 1995 ng di nag grandslam ang sunkist... Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 ipapalipat ba natin sa MPS or SPA thread ang BGK thread??? hahahhaha... yung case dun sa toyota was more of hindi sila nag grandslam kaya siya nagpakamatay... akala ko mauulit yun nung 1995 ng di nag grandslam ang sunkist... I think nag contribute sa pagtitiwakal ni Fort Acuna, aside from him being fired by Toyota, was the fact napakasakit ng pagkatalo nila. Lamang sila ng 4 points going into the last 16 seconds and kapag nanalo sila, or either team, that is U-Tex, magiging champion. Nahabol ng U-Tex ang Toyota through the efforts of their import si Glenn McDonald, nag overtime pa sila. Sa overtime, talo ang Toyota. Daming nasira sa dugout ng Araneta. Quote Link to comment
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