hobby Motorcycles and Scooters

[Guest lightspeed®]

sa SM magwindow shopping ka lang. sa quiapo dami rin. usually sa mga sports na boutique ka pumunta

 

leviticus, organize ka naman ng coffee eb tapos libre mo kami ng kape.

 

pero seriously, it's about time to bring out those bikes! let's all meet up then gawa tayo ng grupo.

 

MTC Riders!

[Guest Leviticus]

leviticus, organize ka naman ng coffee eb tapos libre mo kami ng kape.

 

pero seriously, it's about time to bring out those bikes! let's all meet up then gawa tayo ng grupo.

 

MTC Riders!

I'd love to organize and meet up [lalo na ngayon na wala nang latest MTC events]. however, I'm in Baguio right now.

 

hihi.. oo nga pala, aside sa 2 platenumbers si Sen. Brenda nagpropropose ng bill na ang mga motorcycles ay banned on the roads at 5 pm to 7 pm.

 

hay.. brendamage talaga.

 

kapag matuloy ang bill na yan, sagot ko ang pizza sa pizzahut. condition ko lang ay padeliver natin sa oras ng 5 pm to 7 pm. may promo ang pizzahut ng "if it's late, it's free" di ba?

[Guest lightspeed®]

hihi.. oo nga pala, aside sa 2 platenumbers si Sen. Brenda nagpropropose ng bill na ang mga motorcycles ay banned on the roads at 5 pm to 7 pm.

 

hay.. brendamage talaga.

 

HUWAAAT!?!?

 

:grr: gaga ba siya!

 

papano na lang tayong mga dukha!

[boomouse]

HUWAAAT!?!?

 

:grr: gaga ba siya!

 

papano na lang tayong mga dukha!

 

Excuse me, ang 'dukha' naglalakad lang. If you can afford a vehicle of any kind you are still better off than a large majority of the population.

[redshirt]

Guys sa England, dalawa din yung plaka. Yung sa harap nakakabit sa Windshield ng motor or sa tapalodo sa harapan....

[Guest lightspeed®]

Excuse me, ang 'dukha' naglalakad lang. If you can afford a vehicle of any kind you are still better off than a large majority of the population.

 

ikaw naman boom. binubuking mo kami eh. well, compared to you, dukha nga kami.

 

teka teka, naglalakad din naman ako... papuntang parking lot nga lang.

[boomouse]

ikaw naman boom. binubuking mo kami eh. well, compared to you, dukha nga kami.

 

teka teka, naglalakad din naman ako... papuntang parking lot nga lang.

 

Following your logic, dukha din ako--compared to First gentleman Mike Arroyo. At naglalakad din ako papunta't pabalik ng parking lot. :upside:

[jaystrd]

mga mcp member din yata d2

[Guest Leviticus]

^^regardless of mcp or mop or map, as long as the issue is the AO-15 it affects all riders

[Guest lightspeed®]

^^regardless of mcp or mop or map, as long as the issue is the AO-15 it affects all riders

 

Levi - pag lumusot pati yung billna ginagawa sa kotse, malamang, maglalakad na lang tao.

 

kelan ka baba ng baguio? let us know para makapag kape na. coffee eb mga riders.

[Guest Leviticus]

balita ko may dumating na malaking shipment ng mga japanese and american surplus bicycles. makahunting nga mamaya no offense sana sa mga nagcocommute pero maspipiliin ko pa ang magmotor kaysa magjeep/bus.

 

marami na akong horror stories sa pagcommute ko the past years eh, lalo na graveyard pa ako noon. hihi.. minsan nagmistulang KTV ang nasakyan kong bus papunta work dahil mga gro, mga "night walkers" with their respective bugaws, and mga lasing kumakanta kanta pa sila.

 

seriously though, regardless of the AO I'd still get me that sports bike. hinihintay ko lang ang developments ng mga motorcycle groups against this AO before ko ilabas. besides, panahon pa ng tagulan ngayon [sidenote, may bagyong Nina as I am writing this, at mahangin dito]. maybe one of these days balikan ko ang mcarthur highway.

 

the LTO has sealed its faith by imposing this AO-15, sabay propose pa sila na pati ang mga kotse ay magkaroon ng AO-35. sana pati mga PUV gawan na nila ng AO. I predict once that happens, suansing would need a bodyguard even if going to the bathroom sa probinsya ko, tricycle drivers have been stabbed for cutting in line for getting passengers, lalo pa kung maimpose ang mga OA na AO on the PUVs.

 

weird ano? ang mga tricycles hindi hinuhuli kahit busted na ang kanilang tail light pero sa mga private riders ay napakastrikto nila :thumbsdownsmiley:

[boomouse]

balita ko may dumating na malaking shipment ng mga japanese and american surplus bicycles. makahunting nga mamaya no offense sana sa mga nagcocommute pero maspipiliin ko pa ang magmotor kaysa magjeep/bus.

 

marami na akong horror stories sa pagcommute ko the past years eh, lalo na graveyard pa ako noon. hihi.. minsan nagmistulang KTV ang nasakyan kong bus papunta work dahil mga gro, mga "night walkers" with their respective bugaws, and mga lasing kumakanta kanta pa sila.

 

seriously though, regardless of the AO I'd still get me that sports bike. hinihintay ko lang ang developments ng mga motorcycle groups against this AO before ko ilabas. besides, panahon pa ng tagulan ngayon [sidenote, may bagyong Nina as I am writing this, at mahangin dito]. maybe one of these days balikan ko ang mcarthur highway.

 

the LTO has sealed its faith by imposing this AO-15, sabay propose pa sila na pati ang mga kotse ay magkaroon ng AO-35. sana pati mga PUV gawan na nila ng AO. I predict once that happens, suansing would need a bodyguard even if going to the bathroom sa probinsya ko, tricycle drivers have been stabbed for cutting in line for getting passengers, lalo pa kung maimpose ang mga OA na AO on the PUVs.

 

weird ano? ang mga tricycles hindi hinuhuli kahit busted na ang kanilang tail light pero sa mga private riders ay napakastrikto nila :thumbsdownsmiley:

 

Hindi weird yun. Ang tawag doon 'good business sense'. Wala sila masyado mapipiga sa tricycle boy.

[Guest lightspeed®]

Hindi weird yun. Ang tawag doon 'good business sense'. Wala sila masyado mapipiga sa tricycle boy.

 

boom, nilalabas mo pa ba bike mo?

[Guest Leviticus]

copy-paste ko lang eto ha. credit to the original author:

 

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SCRAP LTO AHS-2008-015 NOW!!

 

The following are the questions, defects and inconsistencies stipulated in the LTO Administrative Order AHS-2008-015 and some of its provisions that are defective and unfair:

1. AO AHS-2008-015 section 1 #8. – Standard helmet shall mean the protective helmet approved by the DTI with PNS-UNECE 22 marking.

 

- This is prejudicial to many of our members and other riders who have purchased (before the AO) helmets which comply with the following standard accepted internationally:

 AS 1698 (Australia)

 CSA CAN3-D230-M85 (Canada)

 JIS T8133 (Japan)

 NZ 5430 (New Zealand)

 BS 6658:1985 (UK)

 DOT FMVSS 218 (USA)

 Snell M 2005

These helmets are very expensive but we are required by the AO to buy again (the UNECE 22 standard)

 

- The supply of UNECE 22 helmets in the city is not sufficient thus, disproportionate to the projected demand in sales brought on by the implementation of the AO. Thereby at least 95% of the riders will be apprehended.

- UNECE 22 is too expensive with a PhP 3,000.00 to PhP 30,000.00 price range. Most ordinary folks, such as motorcycle owners, cannot afford to buy these very costly helmets.

- Standard helmet is copied from Europe but our road standard, road safety procedures, traffic enforcement are way below European standard.

- If this is the only approved standard of helmet by DTI, the government should not allow the sale of other helmets commercially. Consumers must be protected. Hence, instead of forbidding the consumers from buying, the government should forbid the selling (of sub-standard helmet).

- What is most ironic is that most of the traffic enforcers on motorcycle in the city do not wear this prescribed helmet, yet they apprehend others.

 

2. AO AHS-2008-015 section 1 #10 – Saddle bag shall mean the DTI approved built-in carrier of luggage in the motorcycle.

 

- How many kinds of saddle bags were approved by DTI? Has the list of approved saddle bags been transmitted to the LTO Region XI for proper guidance?

- Does it mean that all saddle bags available in the market for the consumers are approved by the DTI?

- How will LTO determine if the said saddle bag is approved by DTI? How will the rider know if it is approved or not?

 

3. AO-AHS-2008-015 Section 5 - Speed Limit.

 

- Suddenly the AO included not only motorcycle but cars, trucks and buses in this section. Why were cars, trucks and busses not included on Section 8 regarding modification? Why are motorcycles being singled out? Why not craft a comprehensive AO covering all motorized vehicles on land? It is LTO’s given mandate, right?

 

4. AO-AHS-2008-015 Section 8 – Any modification of the original standard design of a motorcycle or scooter shall first be subject to the approval of LTO and the DTI.

 

- Why? The AO does not explain the reason or the rationale behind this. Is it because the AO say so? No justifications needed? Are LTO and DTI trying to raise funds from the fees collected for permits being issued? How much for a permit? Or is it free? Is this for safety purposes?

- Why motorcycles only? Cars, trucks, PUJs and busses not required to secure permit? Please explain answer.

- You want to call our motorcycle modified but we call it customized and personalized. Art can never be suppressed. Its freedom of expression plain and simple. It is our constitutional right.

- Please quantify the word modification. Specifics would be appreciated.

- Will changing of sparkplug not recommended by the manufacturer considered a modification? Change of rim size? Change of fenders, handlebars, gas tanks, taillights, mufflers etc considered modification? What are the parameters of a modified motorcycle?

- Instead of encouraging private enterprises (motorcycle shops, stores and manufacturers) to flourish, the LTO with its AO is doing the exact opposite. The AO simply discourages buying after-market products. There is a risk that the entire industry will grind to a halt because of the AO.

- Manufacturers like Yamaha encourage their patrons to modify their motorcycles. They even sponsor contests to promote customization. The contest is on-going where submission of entries is between July 15-September 30, 2008. (Ad @ Motorcycle magazine Vol 3 issue No. 4 June-July 2008. www.Yamaha-motor.com.ph) Therefore, it’s not true that modifying motorcycles is unsafe.

- Some after-market products are even superior in quality than the stock part. This might lead to corruption and more red tape if indeed permits are to be secured.

- DTI Regional Office XI was asked on how the owner of a modified motorcycle would secure his permit. Said office pleaded ignorance as it has yet to receive directives from its Central Office. No coordination between government agencies.

- LTO Regional Office XI admitted that they too are not ready to issue permits. If so, then why are they apprehending modified motorcycles? It is not stated under the AO that modifying is illegal as long as permits are secured. Despite the fact that LTO is not yet equipped to issue permits, still LTO deputies continue to apprehend modified motorcycles. This led to some riders not to use their motorcycles anymore and opting to commute instead. LTO must refund all those who have paid the fines. A public apology is also in order. However the aggrieved party may still file the appropriate charges in court.

 

5. AO AHS-2008-015 Section 11 – Penal and other Provisions

- The penalty clause of the AO is not only exorbitant but it is also anti-poor. We all know that most of the motorcycle owners in this country belong not to the affluent sector of the society but they are penalized heavier against their counter part who owns automobiles. To cite a very glaring discrepancy – seatbelt law violation is a mere PhP 150.00 fine while helmet law violation is a whooping PhP 1,500.00 (from PhP 150.00 before the AO). That is 10 times more. Is this fair? Modification of motorcycles without the necessary permits from DTI and LTO is a fine of PhP 2,000.00 but no penalty on modified cars, trucks, buses and even PUJs. No restrictions except for motorcycles. But we follow the same traffic signs follow the same traffic rules and use the same highways. Is this fair?

 

Administrative Order AHS-2008-015 of LTO entitled Rules and Regulation for the use and Operation of Motorcycles on Highways should not be implemented and must be amended due to its defects, flaws and its vagueness. It is not only prejudicial towards the motorcycle riding community by limiting and discouraging the growth the industry has achieved through the years but it may cause its complete destruction. It is very evident that the people who have crafted this AO consider us motorcycle riders as nuisance on the highways and are not deserving to use the same road alongside their air-conditioned SUVs. It also magnifies the glaring differences between the haves and the have-nots. The AO is completely devoid of anything that is a motorcycle enthusiast that takes pride in his art, his sub-culture, and his never ending quest for perfection not to mention his passion. For a span of one week, riders from the different motorcycle clubs, within the city, suffered from numerous harassment ranging from wearing short pants, bent mirror posts, modified mufflers, modified lights to not wearing heavy jackets from traffic enforcers. We the Riders, as we collectively call ourselves, shall not submit nor surrender our constitutional right for freedom of expression, and shall not stop to question any legislation that is in violation of our rights, detrimental to our development and an obstruction to our progress.

 

DANIEL J. SUNGA

President – Davao Agila Riders

Motorcycle Enthusiast

Rider

[buchike]

bkit sa makati may sarili clang law sa pag empose ng traffic violation as in prang may sarili clang mundo kc prang pag don ka nahuli iba ang rules...