Overrated Nba/pba Players

[Eddy Syet]

i just stumbled upon this player who i read is getting 70 million over five years. Khris Middleton of the bucks. Do you think he is worth this much money? I think guys like Tristan Thompson are pretty common in players being paid this much money. It's not just Tristan Thompson theres a player on each team getting this much money, the question is, are they worth the money being paid to them? or is it just good strategy on the player's part to negotiate that type of amount because down the road they don't know how good they will still be, getting injured or having a bad season in the future.

 

Khris Middleton's contract is a reward for carrying the lifeless offense of the Bucks last season. He was the Bucks' best offensive player last season bar none. He even highlighted his performance last year with two game-winners. He also plays good defense. So yeah, it might be a little high in the eyes of some but he's worth it. He is "best" at something in his team.

 

Tristan Thompson's salary however is not normal. Why? I'll ask explain by asking this question: What do Greg Monroe, DeMarcus Cousins, Al Jefferson, Joakim Noah, Tyson Chandler, Serge Ibaka, Derrick Favors, Kenneth Faried, Zach Randolph, Pau Gasol, Karl-Anthony Towns, Tim Duncan, Jonas Valanciunas, & Andre Drummond have in common?

 

Yep, they're great big men in the NBA who are receiving less money than TT right now.

 

I'll forget about the fact that TT's borderline franchise player salary is his and he's not even among his team's Top 3 talents.

[Cap™]

What do Greg Monroe, DeMarcus Cousins, Al Jefferson, Joakim Noah, Tyson Chandler, Serge Ibaka, Derrick Favors, Kenneth Faried, Zach Randolph, Pau Gasol, Karl-Anthony Towns, Tim Duncan, Jonas Valanciunas, & Andre Drummond have in common?

 

Yep, they're great big men in the NBA who are receiving less money than TT right now.

 

That, and they're not money-haggling Rich Paul agents. Even LeBron might've hated how Rich Paul destroyed the Cavs

[Guiness]

I guess he's got a good agent. oh wait, he has the same sports agent as Lebron that's how they were able to pull off that deal. I checked out Greg Monroe, mathematically he is getting paid more than Thompson. Monroe's contract is smart because he signed up 3 years, the last year being a player option where he can opt out and become a free agent and negotiate for more money. Thompson signed a 5 year guaranteed contract but no player option. I think, he knows this is the only time he will be able to land fat contract like this because he can just coast and play safe and not put up big numbers to increase his value since he has to nothing to prove to the team that he is valuable. I think he just did this to get paid, now he can prove my theory wrong by playing to what he is being paid and put up those stats he did in the playoffs. Or he'll prove my theory right that he just wanted to get a nice payday and just go through the motions. Kind of what Bynum did. The only difference between him and Greg Monroe is, Greg Monroe is putting up good numbers and playing hard, i just saw him play last night. That guy can play. Don't include Karl Anthony -Towns, because he is a rookie and rookies are usually signed for 5-8 mil per year for 5 years i think. not sure about the rookie salaries. That's why at they try to put up good numbers so they can get better deals after their rookie contracts expire

 

As for Middleton. I would have to check his stats at the end of the season if he puts the same stats as last year or be better this season. It's a long season anyway.

 

So in summary, i also think Tristan Thompson is an overrated player.

 

I looked at Jordan Clarkson's salary and he's being paid 800+ for this year and a qualifying offer in year 2. Hopefully he can put up numbers to increase his value and get interest from other teams or he has the choice of re-signing for the lakers. It all depends who gives him a better deal.

 

Jordan Clarkson $845,059 $1,180,431

Edited October 29, 2015 by hahnz

[Cap™]

oh wait, he has the same sports agent as Lebron that's how they were able to pull off that deal.

 

yes but LeBron did mention that he wasn't really happy about this hostage drama. I hate Rich Paul for doing this for the second straight season. He did this too with Phoenix last year, thus the Plan B in Isaiah Thomas, which eventually destroyed what was a promising core (not to mention a chance to get that Laker pick next season, I think). Moreover, Phoenix is in a total flux. Hayayay.

 

All I can say right now is pwede namang i-amnesty si TT. Or a stretch provision a la Josh Smith. However Cleveland intends to k*ll his live contract, they better do so soon.

[Guiness]

did you know Thompson was initially asking for 94M from the cavs? Cavs didn't take the bait so he waited if any team was going to make an offer. The plan backfired because he waited and no team was willing to offer that kind of a deal on a player who was brilliant but was still to raw for them to give up that kind of money and gamble on an unproven player. The cavs were only willing to pay him 80M for 5 years but ended up with 82M. Of course the cavs are gambling by signing him for 5 years and will be keen on how the performs. If he ends up being a bust, the cavs can trade him, but this can also be a problem for them if no team would be willing to trade for him. I'm guessing he has about 2-3 years to prove he was worth the 82 mil until the cavs decide he's not worth it.

[Cap™]

sorry but I don't see "potential" for someone who's already a five-year vet. Hell, he had more headway than Andrew Bennett. Amnesty the mofo if he couldn't produce that money's worth by next season

[Guiness]

like i said, the cavs are gambling here. the gamble could pay off or it can't thats the way the business of professional basketball is. If he doesn't pan out they could salvage the deal by trading him and get some assets back. But right now its too soon, let's wait on what the cavs do if they think he is worth the money they are paying him.

[Cap™]

I think they're overplaying him. If Varejao's healthy, he should get more time. Ditto with Mozgov. Di naman lahat ng kalaban nila nagsmo-small ball anyway. He's an overrated defender and his asset of being a rebounder is covered by a well-put and very healthy Kevin Love.

[Guiness]

They're a little thin on their frontcourt. Both Varejao and Mozgov are banged up due to off season surgeries, not that in shape because of they were rehabbing. At this point he's the only one that's available that's healthy

[*kalel*]

i think he's not being rated high as he was before. espn ranked him 93rd best in the current nba player rankings. i don't really agree with the ranking. i don't really think he should be ranked that low, i would maybe rank him as low as 20th because his play has deteriorated these past 3 seasons but not as low as espn ranked him,

 

 

Kobe Bryant ranked 93rd in #NBArank countdown

ESPN.com’s #NBArank project is counting down the NBA’s top players for this upcoming season. Over 100 NBA experts from across ESPN (including analysts, writers, researchers and editors) participated in this season’s #NBArank project with the goal of ranking players in terms of both quantity and quality of each player’s contributions to his team’s ability to win games in the upcoming season.

 

The countdown continued on Wednesday with Nos. 100-91, with Kobe Bryant coming in at No. 93. Bryant was ranked No. 6 in the 2012-13 countdown, then dropped to No. 25 the following season and was No. 40 last year.

 

At No. 93, Bryant is still the highest-ranked player on the Los Angeles Lakers. Every other team in the NBA has at least one player ranked higher than him, making him the lowest-ranked "best player" on any team.

 

Bryant is slated to make $25 million this season, more than any other player in the NBA, and his $54 million over the past two seasons is by far the most of any player. We take a look at why Bryant has fallen so far:

 

Recent production

In the 41 games Bryant’s played over the last two seasons, he has averaged 21.1 points per game and shot under 38 percent from the field. That’s the worst field goal percentage over any two-year stretch in the shot-clock era in which a player averaged at least 20 points per game.

There were 18 games last season in which Bryant took at least 20 shots. He did not make half of them in any of those 18 games.

So why has his shooting percentage dropped?

 

Bryant is not getting as many close looks as in the past. Last season, 25 percent of his points came in the paint, the lowest mark of his career; entering last season, 34 percent of his career points came in the paint.

 

He is also not getting as many open looks. Last season, Bryant took 15 shots per game in which a defender was within 4 feet -- the highest average of any player in the NBA.

 

All this adds up to Bryant ranking 175th in half-court points per play out of the 185 players with at least 500 plays in the half court last season.

 

Less efficient

 

ESPN’s real plus-minus measures a player’s impact on team performance per 100 possessions. In general, it passes the smell test. The top five from a year ago? Stephen Curry, Kawhi Leonard, James Harden, LeBron James and Anthony Davis. There is also an offensive and defensive component.

Bryant ranked 245th in RPM last season. His rating on the defensive end ranked among the 20 worst in the NBA.

Though Bryant has been less efficient, the on-the-surface numbers are still there for him. Last season, he was one of five players to average 20 points, five rebounds and five assists. The others? James, Harden, Russell Westbrook and Blake Griffin.

 

What to expect

 

The 2015-16 season will be Bryant’s 20th in the NBA; he will break a tie with John Stockton for the most seasons played for one team in NBA history. Bryant will also become the first guard in NBA history to play a 20th season.

 

Can he stay healthy? There’s not much to go on historically to project health. Only five other players -- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Kevin Garnett, Moses Malone, Robert Parish and Kevin Willis -- stuck around long enough to play a 20th season. Only Abdul-Jabbar and Parish managed to play in 60 games that season.

This will be Bryant's age-37 season. Out of the 72 NBA seasons by guards age 37 or older, two averaged 20 points per game (both of Michael Jordan’s Wizards seasons), 18 averaged double figures in points per game, and 23 played in at least 70 games.

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/110204/kobe-bryant-ranked-93rd-in-nbarank-countdown

Bryant to me is a poor man's jordan after shaq's la stint...his numbers went down and his mileage went up nowadays because of the absence of a reliable 'other superstar' e.g. paul gasol....

 

During shaq's era, most of the basketball world knows that kobe was the support in that team up however hard the la organization discredit shaq for the 3 championship with lala land

[EL_PY]

Most over rated player for me in the NBA is Rajon Rondo.

[thelibrarian]

Si DeAndre Jordan overrated. He's probably suck if he was in Dallas. Blake and Paul's passing skill is making him look good. Crappy FT% too

[Cap™]

Si DeAndre Jordan overrated. He's probably suck if he was in Dallas.

 

Eddy would've liked your comment if you didn't bash Dallas lol hahaha

[xxxcaliburns]

Dwight Howard is over rated

[Red_Flame]

Larry Fonacier and Cyrus Baguio for me. :D

[Agent_mulder]

Nico Salva

Dave Marcelo

[Cap™]

Nico Salva

Dave Marcelo

 

system players, Salva was overhyped when he was still playing for the Red Cubs. Ato Badolato (Beda HS) and Norman Black made him look good

[Guiness]

I'm adding Deandre Jordan to my list joining Dwight Howard and Rajon Rondo

[ray321]

Dwight Howard is well passed prime,

Rajon Rondo avg this past 13 games: 12.6 PPG 10.2 APG 7.6 RPG shoots 43.8% FG, looks pretty solid numbers

Deandre Jordan avg this pas 11 games: 10 PPG 12.6 RPG 2.7 BPG shoots 70% FG, again looks pretty solid numbers.

[Cap™]

Rajon Rondo avg this past 13 games: 12.6 PPG 10.2 APG 7.6 RPG shoots 43.8% FG, looks pretty solid numbers

 

stats have been padded with DMC being in and out of the lineup IMO.

[*kalel*]

Harden and damon green

[Cap™]

damon green

 

you mean DRAYMOND, right? Well, in all fairness to him, his numbers aren't really flashy but he's very efficient and I hate it. Dude's really arrogant but he's playing well.

[Cap™]

Lechoke James is overrated. He is not and never will be in the league of Larry, Magic and Michael.

 

I'm not going to throw too much shade at someone who won titles. Yes, he may not have the same number of titles as these guys but he did well. Not a fan, just being level-headed. Peace

[Cap™]

Lechoke has the talent but he does not have the heart.

 

well, that doesn't overrate him, does he? He's good but he had to ask for people. No one's questioning his talent, rather, it's about how he got his titles, right? Just putting your perspectives in place sir He's a Hall of Famer even though we argue how he won his titles.

[Cap™]

He is overrated because some sports writers/commentators like Mark Jackson are saying he is the greatest of all time, which is baloney. How could someone who had to go to another team to win a championship become the greatest of all time? He is overrated.

 

well, Mark Jackson's full of baloney, that's why hahaha If we go about the GOAT having won championships, Bill Russell should be GOAT. MJ changed the face of basketball, and let's face it, LeBron's doing it as well. Why'd I say that? His built isn't exactly what you'd expect for someone playing in his position (6'9 SF who plays all four positions, can do it both offensively and defensively), has excellent court vision (great passer) and basketball IQ. Mike just played one position but he's THE best.

 

My point? is LeBron GOAT? not really. Overrated? Not at all. A great? Definitely.