Compound Vs Isolation

[Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14]

You have a lot of good points EG, to be honest i was almost convinced and wanted to retract what i said in my previous posts.

 

But again, I stand with what i believe in (Call me hard-headed), maybe becoz Isolation/single joint exercises have been working for me, as they say, why fix something that is already fixed, and besides i never said that i do isolation EXCLUSIVELY, I incorporate isolation with compound exercises, and believe me I've also experimented with this. ( contrary to popular belief, for a while i tried to NOT incorporate isolation with compound exercises in the same workout, and it actually works only up to a certain period of time though).

 

You mentioned the word "plateau", coz ive seen and actually know some people who said that doing compound exercises will eventually make your body plateau, and the only solution for that is to do isolation exercises. Isn't this a correct statement?

Edited July 9, 2009 by Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14

[crazykalbo]

well im a fan of combining both compound and isolation exercises ive got no theory to share sa inyo sorry po

[guile1912]

FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND,

 

ISOLATION IS BETTER DONE AS A WORK-OUT FINISHER. ITS USED TO EXHAUST YOUR MUSCLE DURING THE LAST PART OF YOUR PROGRAM. TO CONTRACT THE MUSCLE MORE.

 

COMPOUND EXERCISES KASI USES MORE MUSCLE PARTS IN YOUR BODY TO DO. PERO YUNG TARGET MUSCLE PA RIN GUMAGAWA NG MAJOR WORK.

 

IMHO, I THINK THAT YOU WILL NEED BOTH TO FULLY DEVELOP YOUR PHYSIQUE.

 

[Eclipseguy]

You have a lot of good points EG, to be honest i was almost convinced and wanted to retract what i said in my previous posts.

 

But again, I stand with what i believe in (Call me hard-headed), maybe becoz Isolation/single joint exercises have been working for me, as they say, why fix something that is already fixed, and besides i never said that i do isolation EXCLUSIVELY, I incorporate isolation with compound exercises, and believe me I've also experimented with this. ( contrary to popular belief, for a while i tried to NOT incorporate isolation with compound exercises in the same workout, and it actually works only up to a certain period of time though).

 

You mentioned the word "plateau", coz ive seen and actually know some people who said that doing compound exercises will eventually make your body plateaued, and the only solution for that is to do isolation exercises. Isn't this a correct statement?

 

They work for you now, but again, wait for the plateau and then say the same thing :goatee:

 

ANY exercise will eventually plateau if:

 

1) You've reached your genetic limit (but this is far beyond the knowledge of most gym goers to get even close to this)

 

2) You are not using periodization in your training.

 

The fact is, isolation is what will plateau first. Is is 100% incorrect to state that "isolation" will get you past a plateau. The fact is that compound movements are the only thing that can take you there. Again, I'm training and national and international class athletes from URCC fighters, PBA, College and high school track and field, powerlifters, and bodybuilders. The only way I can take them to this level of strength and/or muscular development is to do compound movements. If I let them do "isloation", they'll shrink, period. Again, this is my observation from many years of experience.

[Eclipseguy]

FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND,

 

ISOLATION IS BETTER DONE AS A WORK-OUT FINISHER. ITS USED TO EXHAUST YOUR MUSCLE DURING THE LAST PART OF YOUR PROGRAM. TO CONTRACT THE MUSCLE MORE.

 

COMPOUND EXERCISES KASI USES MORE MUSCLE PARTS IN YOUR BODY TO DO. PERO YUNG TARGET MUSCLE PA RIN GUMAGAWA NG MAJOR WORK.

 

IMHO, I THINK THAT YOU WILL NEED BOTH TO FULLY DEVELOP YOUR PHYSIQUE.

 

 

"Exhausting" your muscles and/or training to failure is exactly why most guys at most (non-steroid) gyms either don't look like they work out, or have been working out for 5 years and still can't bench anywhere near 100 kilos.

 

Read my 5x5 primer linked in my signature to illustrate this further.

[guile1912]

MEDYO TAMA KA DUN EG, MAYBE I USED THE WRONG TERM "EXHAUST". BUT WHAT I MEANT TO SAY IS, USED AS A FINISHER FOR WORKOUT. PARANG "ICING" SA CAKE.

 

[Olympus]

MEDYO TAMA KA DUN EG, MAYBE I USED THE WRONG TERM "EXHAUST". BUT WHAT I MEANT TO SAY IS, USED AS A FINISHER FOR WORKOUT. PARANG "ICING" SA CAKE.

 

 

If you are really working hard, "isolation" exercises aren't necessary.

[Eclipseguy]

MEDYO TAMA KA DUN EG, MAYBE I USED THE WRONG TERM "EXHAUST". BUT WHAT I MEANT TO SAY IS, USED AS A FINISHER FOR WORKOUT. PARANG "ICING" SA CAKE.

 

 

Try a 10x10 sometime and tell me if you are not "finished" afterwards :cool:

[Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14]

Hey EG, do you have any vids or at least a link on how to perform the dynamic rows correctly?

[Eclipseguy]

Hey EG, do you have any vids or at least a link on how to perform the dynamic rows correctly?

 

For everyone who has been asking for this, we have the ability to film it and put it on the Eclipse website...but just keep reminding me...or tell Olympus to kick me in the butt next time he sees me so I won't forget

[vince1000]

hey there

 

i concur. i think compound exercises will be more effective in the long run but isolations add more flavor to the exercise. compound exercise save time. imagine doing 5X5 with bicep curls, triceps, shrugs, etc etc etc.. imagine how much time it would burn to do all those isolation exercise.

[parbust3r]

For everyone who has been asking for this, we have the ability to film it and put it on the Eclipse website...but just keep reminding me...or tell Olympus to kick me in the butt next time he sees me so I won't forget

 

 

Have you gotten your butt kinked already? I really need to know how to do this one sir.

[Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14]

another thing, is the bent over barbell rows the same as your dynamic rows? coz i really dont know how to do the dynamic row exercise, what i did is the bent over barbell row yesterday.

[Olympus]

another thing, is the bent over barbell rows the same as your dynamic rows? coz i really dont know how to do the dynamic row exercise, what i did is the bent over barbell row yesterday.

 

They are similar but different. I posted the description of the dynamic row in another thread here

[Eclipseguy]

I filmed it, but Coach Elaine is the audio/video expert...and I have no idea where she is tonight cuz she would be the one to upload it.

 

Hopefully tomorrow...