cereal.killer. Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 its Bible vs. Science daw... Bible = Hinati ang dagatScience = Pwede o Hindi? ........ May napanood ako sa Discovery Channel, na kung possibility lang daw, e PWEDE iyan.Isama mo pa yung tatlong mama na in-oven, pero di nalapnos man lang, PWEDE rin daw sabi ni DC. Bible vs. Science daw....hindi Theist vs. Atheist (or others). You do have a point, but i have to argue that Bible preaches about God, so essentially, it is Theist against the World. Quote Link to comment
dilanibrusko Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 well the big bang theory was experienced by eve , adam heard her moaned oh god oh! god! oh god! couple of times i guess, releasing thermal energy Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Guys, let me put it this way. If i'm going to put myself in an atheist shoes, i'll ask these questions: When does it all started? Where did all things came from? Is there a beginning? And if yes, Who created us? It is right to infer that Whoever created us deserve our respect, whatever form he might appeared. There is no arguing that Whoever created us is a very intelligent and powerful entity indeed. Now, if there is a beginning, is it logical to assume that there is an end to all these things? And because Whoever created us owned his creations, is it also logical to say that he can take away all these things? How can I even say that there is no God when I myself can not prove that there's no beginning of all things? So if there is a beginning for all things, there's a god? Quote Link to comment
poppinfresh2k5 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 (edited) in the same way just because there is man made misery there is no God to help that poor third world country kid you posted. Edited February 16, 2008 by poppinfresh2k5 Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 in the same way just because there is man made misery there is no God to help that poor third world country kid you posted. "..man made misery..", and since man made the misery, it is man alone that can do something for that misery, man alone, cause there is no god, he/she/they/it doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment
screwdriver2 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 On the contrary, it does prove that whoever created us is really a smart one. Somehow, he designed us creatures to THINK FOR OURSELVES. The creator put us inside a chaotic system where mankind are kings. He commanded people to flourish the whole world and be accountable for whatever happen to it. Now is it fair, you ask? Of course IT IS! Unfortunately, man misused and abused this gift by trying to think like his Creator, blinding their own eyes that they can also be all knowing or surpassed that of the creator. Remember, in the Bible, He tried to wipe out mankind.....(Read The Great Flood in Genesis).... Are there anything more brutal than that? But wait... Also remember that He's the one who commanded Noah to built the large ark in order for his family to survive the deluge. The bottom line is this. Misery happens because people have a propensity to forget who they've came from. Somehow, that Creator made a fair deal with us mankind. He designed us to do either believe in Him or not. He commanded us to believe Him and He shall bring you just reward. Do not believe Him and you shall suffer the consequences. It's your choice. Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 On the contrary, it does prove that whoever created us is really a smart one. Somehow, he designed us creatures to THINK FOR OURSELVES. The creator put us inside a chaotic system where mankind are kings. He commanded people to flourish the whole world and be accountable for whatever happen to it. Now is it fair, you ask? Of course IT IS! Unfortunately, man misused and abused this gift by trying to think like his Creator, blinding their own eyes that they can also be all knowing or surpassed that of the creator. Remember, in the Bible, He tried to wipe out mankind.....(Read The Great Flood in Genesis).... Are there anything more brutal than that? But wait... Also remember that He's the one who commanded Noah to built the large ark in order for his family to survive the deluge. The bottom line is this. Misery happens because people have a propensity to forget who they've came from. Somehow, that Creator made a fair deal with us mankind. He designed us to do either believe in Him or not. He commanded us to believe Him and He shall bring you just reward. Do not believe Him and you shall suffer the consequences. It's your choice. Can you prove the existence of your god? Quote Link to comment
poppinfresh2k5 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 (edited) can you prove the existence of atoms and other scientific crap without taking the word of scientists? i mean seriously you yourself try to prove its existence. simply even if something isnt there or appears to be unprovable through absence does not mean non existience. heck i havent ever met you save for the fact youre a blip posting in manilatonight. heck i can say you dont really exist and is merely an autoreply script. oh as to the man made misery... go solve it then with all you manly powers. as for me, i do not rely on god to passively solve problems which weve created. i try to do my best to solve it but ask for the grace and guidance to not let the horrors of man get to me and strip me away of my hope and precisely that... inspire in me my capacity as man to do something about that kid. what do you do? post in manilatonight and bark at God's seeming absence from our world and marvel at the superiority of people over all of creation? arrogance. and to answer your question, who do i prove the existence of God? well i say He exists for me. try disproving my own decision. Edited February 20, 2008 by poppinfresh2k5 Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 can you prove the existence of atoms and other scientific crap without taking the word of scientists? i mean seriously you yourself try to prove its existence. di na kailangan, scientists have provided enough evidence for their existence. pero ung god nyo? he/she/it/they exist only in your imagination. simply even if something isnt there or appears to be unprovable through absence does not mean non existience. heck i havent ever met you save for the fact youre a blip posting in manilatonight. heck i can say you dont really exist and is merely an autoreply script. if you are to use your imagination the way you use it in believing in your god, posible ngang hindi ako nag-i-exist. Kaso, sa imahinasyon mo lang po. oh as to the man made misery... go solve it then with all you manly powers. as for me, i do not rely on god to passively solve problems which weve created. i try to do my best to solve it but ask for the grace and guidance to not let the horrors of man get to me and strip me away of my hope and precisely that... inspire in me my capacity as man to do something about that kid. hehe, so wala ngang ibang tutulong sa bata kundi tao rin, at tao lang, wala nang iba, kasi walang diyos. what do you do? post in manilatonight and bark at God's seeming absence from our world and marvel at the superiority of people over all of creation? arrogance. hindi po arrogance. katotohanan. and to answer your question, who do i prove the existence of God? well i say He exists for me. try disproving my own decision. imahinasyon nyo lang po yan. :thumbsupsmiley: kung totoo ang isang bagay kahit na walang patunay na ang bagay na ito'y totoo, so wala nang hindi totoo, lahat na lang totoo. mabuhay ang imahinasyon. :thumbsupsmiley: Quote Link to comment
screwdriver2 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Baligtarin natin logic mo.... "Kung hindi totoo and isang bagay kahit na may patunay na ang bagay ay totoo, so wala nang totoo, lahat na lang hindi totoo?" Huh? Did you know that Jesus did know that there will come a time when people like yourself will not believe in Him. "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." - John 20:29 I know that you and your atheists friends will laugh at this verse cause it sounds contrary to your way of thinking of "seeing is believing". Many people who've read this verse thought this man is crazy. Or is he? You've asked, "Can you prove the existence of your god?" The answer is simple. Look around you. The swaying trees. Those flying birds. That blue sky. Those towering mountains. Those majestic valleys. The air you breathe. The water you've just drank. The food you've consumed. Can't you determine the existence of God? Quote Link to comment
gherome Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 You've asked, "Can you prove the existence of your god?" The answer is simple. Look around you. The swaying trees. Those flying birds. That blue sky. Those towering mountains. Those majestic valleys. The air you breathe. The water you've just drank. The food you've consumed. Can't you determine the existence of God? Sorry..but I have to react to this..With all due respect sir, this could probably be ended with a stronger statement... Anyhow, the context of the whole argument sounded like your next door pastor speaking.... The towering mountains? The majestic valleys? Errr...Weren't they formed by those ever moving plates and the rising tides? As the earth continually evolves.....Pardon me if I could not get into more scientific details, for I won't pretend that I'm a know-it-all geek....coz I'm not...I could google it later though...if needed... I do respect what you believe in..Its yours..But arranging them in such a way that a seemingly-know-it-all pastor would say it, that I can't stand... And you are asking someone who has been refuting the very existence of God this question: "Can't you determine the existence of God?" Saer, bottomline is that he doesn't believe the mere existence of that said subject, why would he then determine the existence of something that he doesn't see nor doesn't believe in? Just my two cents.... and to answer your question, who do i prove the existence of God? well i say He exists for me. try disproving my own decision. Now, this is one strong closing...kudos saer poppin...Basically, each of us have his/her own beliefs...And we have to respect that...Dude, there won't be anyone that could disprove your own decision/beliefs....Only you could do that...Thus, I commend you for that statement... Quote Link to comment
Equus Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 (edited) can you prove the existence of atoms and other scientific crap without taking the word of scientists? i mean seriously you yourself try to prove its existence. di na kailangan, scientists have provided enough evidence for their existence. pero ung god nyo? he/she/it/they exist only in your imagination. - All that scientific crap has been proven to exist... electrons, borons, hadrons, etc... they used to exist in thought experiments and theorems, but now, yes... enough empirical data has been gathered to prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that they exist. simply even if something isnt there or appears to be unprovable through absence does not mean non existience. heck i havent ever met you save for the fact youre a blip posting in manilatonight. heck i can say you dont really exist and is merely an autoreply script. if you are to use your imagination the way you use it in believing in your god, posible ngang hindi ako nag-i-exist. Kaso, sa imahinasyon mo lang po. - heheheheheehehe... just in exactly the same way sa imahinasyon mo sir vherr, God does not exist... and to answer your question, who do i prove the existence of God? well i say He exists for me. try disproving my own decision. imahinasyon nyo lang po yan. kung totoo ang isang bagay kahit na walang patunay na ang bagay na ito'y totoo, so wala nang hindi totoo, lahat na lang totoo. mabuhay ang imahinasyon. - TALAGANG MABUHAY ANG IMAHINASYON! Mas lalong mabuhay and freedom of speech at Manilatonight!!! maybe isnt it that in your individual world God does not exist and not the other way around? Isnt it more logical for a minority to be wrong? bible versus science... hmmm... If based on facts alone, Im routing for science... If based on information and truth, go science go! If Ill base it on what is real, science takes the cake... case in point, science over the bible... hands down. The bible, being a book written by man, even if it was inspired by God, is STILL subject to mistakes, misinterpretations, etc etc... Not saying that science is perfect, what is right now, may not be right a couple of years from now.. More of a personal preference. With regard to God Vs. Science? comes hand in hand.. as ive said in other threads, I found God in science.. Sabagay, I think that i really believed in some sort of God but the empirical data was too heavily leaning on his not existing... Edited February 21, 2008 by Equus Quote Link to comment
poppinfresh2k5 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 pare kailangan nya ng scientist na magsabi paano lumilipad ang bird at ng masabi nyang hindi magic yun. or may puso ito and stomach and other innards para malaman paano gumagana ang buhay nito. funny thing is, science is always changing with new discoveries that sometimes add or revise previous defined scientific knowledge. paasahin na lang natin ang paniniwala nila sa ganun. if he says maniwala tayong lahat to science and logic without thinking for ourselves beyond that basic fundamental want beyond what science tells us, ewan ko lang kung matuwa sya sa buhay nya ever. Quote Link to comment
gh0stfr3ak Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 di na kailangan, scientists have provided enough evidence for their existence. pero ung god nyo? he/she/it/they exist only in your imagination. if you are to use your imagination the way you use it in believing in your god, posible ngang hindi ako nag-i-exist. Kaso, sa imahinasyon mo lang po. hehe, so wala ngang ibang tutulong sa bata kundi tao rin, at tao lang, wala nang iba, kasi walang diyos. hindi po arrogance. katotohanan. imahinasyon nyo lang po yan. :thumbsupsmiley: kung totoo ang isang bagay kahit na walang patunay na ang bagay na ito'y totoo, so wala nang hindi totoo, lahat na lang totoo. mabuhay ang imahinasyon. :thumbsupsmiley: It is not his imagination rather it is his faith that leads him to his belief. Your right, you don't need proof to know and decide what is True. TRUTH is everywhere at walang hindi totoo. You deemed yourself to be an ATHEIST and that could be your TRUTH, it is there where your faith lies. You could say and rant all the things you want, that GOD does not exist but for some of us, this is not our TRUTH, so we choose not to believe you no matter what you say. It's the same thing with science, Science is a Religion. It's made up of a lot of experiments, theories and explanations the same way the Bible has parables, verses and teachings. And like the Bible, science has a lot of versions, it's up to you which version you want to believe in. Proof is just a way for most of us to substantiate our faith (it also dictates how we practice our faith). People use to say the Earth is flat, now they say that it's round... if you still believe it is flat, who are we to contradict your faith? For someone who claims to have no Religion, you sure have strong beliefs . An atheist with strong beliefs and convictions, now that's a real contradiction but anyway good luck with that cheers :cool: Quote Link to comment
vheRR Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Baligtarin natin logic mo.... "Kung hindi totoo and isang bagay kahit na may patunay na ang bagay ay totoo, so wala nang totoo, lahat na lang hindi totoo?" Huh? Did you know that Jesus did know that there will come a time when people like yourself will not believe in Him. "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." - John 20:29 I know that you and your atheists friends will laugh at this verse cause it sounds contrary to your way of thinking of "seeing is believing". Many people who've read this verse thought this man is crazy. Or is he? You've asked, "Can you prove the existence of your god?" The answer is simple. Look around you. The swaying trees. Those flying birds. That blue sky. Those towering mountains. Those majestic valleys. The air you breathe. The water you've just drank. The food you've consumed. Can't you determine the existence of God? Convincing na mga patunay. :thumbsupsmiley: Pero asan po ang diyos nyo sa mga yon? Quote Link to comment
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