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[Olympus]

this is why its important to eat the night before, then refuel immediately after the cardio to replace lost glycogen in the muscles..

 

By the time you wake up, your body is already in a fasted state since it already digested all the food taken the nigh before....Therefore, it would be much better if you al least had a light snack before working out.

[THUG]

By the time you wake up, your body is already in a fasted state since it already digested all the food taken the nigh before....Therefore, it would be much better if you al least had a light snack before working out.

 

nope.. its what you eat the night before (note: carbo loading the night before a marathon) that your body uses on your early morning cardio.. its the carbs that gets stored on your muscles in the form of glycogen.

 

the usefulness as fuel source of the food that you eat the just before cardio will depend on how easily digestible that food is..

 

but then if you take any carbs just before or during your cardio , your body will not learn how to use body fat as energy source and will always rely on the carbs you just ingested.. this is why, although carb supplement like powergels are useful for performance, it will not train your body to use body fat as fuel..

Edited March 23, 2007 by THUG

[Jacques]

To arrive at the number 100, you can add 50 and 50, multiply 10 by 10, subtract 150 by 50 or devide 1000 by 10. As you can see ,even if we have a common goal there are many ways to arrive at it. Some of us will take a more complicated path well some will discover short cuts. Everybody is entitled to what he/she wants to believe in. This thread must be a sharing on each person's approach and not a debate on who has the right approach or not. I never believed at a generic way to build muscle or lose fat for everyone. We all react differently. In as much as I have shared my opinions, I'm sure it won't work for everyone.

[Olympus]

nope.. its what you eat the night before (note: carbo loading the night before a marathon) that your body uses on your early morning cardio.. its the carbs that gets stored on your muscles in the form of glycogen.

 

the usefulness as fuel source of the food that you eat the just before cardio will depend on how easily digestible that food is..

 

but then if you take any carbs just before or during your cardio , your body will not learn how to use body fat as energy source and will always rely on the carbs you just ingested.. this is why, although carb supplement like powergels are useful for performance, it will not train your body to use body fat as fuel..

 

 

Do we have to go through all this mumbo jumbo again?????

 

Please stop using marathon unners as your basis of comparison again since we all know that they are good in LSD cardio but that's all they are good for....

 

If you wanna be a marathong runner or triathlete, then more power to you... The majority here just be stronger, dunk a basketball, have a powerful spike, punch/kick stronger o simply look good.

[THUG]

Do we have to go through all this mumbo jumbo again?????

 

Please stop using marathon unners as your basis of comparison again since we all know that they are good in LSD cardio but that's all they are good for....

 

If you wanna be a marathong runner or triathlete, then more power to you... The majority here just be stronger, dunk a basketball, have a powerful spike, punch/kick stronger o simply look good.

 

well the topic started on a question if its better to do cardio (to burn body fat) on a full or empty stomach.. naturally we will discuss here cardio related sports..

 

i guess each of us here have varied backgrounds. Some questions are better answered by the guys who have actually been there and done that.

Edited March 23, 2007 by THUG

[Olympus]

well the topic started on a question if its better to do cardio (to burn body fat) on a full or empty stomach.. naturally we will discuss here cardio related sports..

 

i guess each of us here have varied backgrounds. Some questions are better answered by the guys who have actually been there and done that.

 

Again, it is pointless to use a marathon runner as a basis of comparison since we all know that ( no pun intended) marathon runners aren't exactly aesthetically pleasing

 

..... Now abou the discussion, there are several factors we have to discuss...

Cortisol production, BMR, VO2 max, etc... we can go on and on.....

 

The bottom line is this..... the average reader here who wants to shed of the fat also wants to be lean and have a decent amount of muscle spared and not look sickly....

 

And basing it from pesonal experience, crashin weight while on an empty stomach is not really the best idea since it leaves you weak and for those who are after aestheics, looking flat.

[Olympus]

some articles validating why IT IS BAD to do cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach:

 

http://www.musclebomb.com/cardio_empty_stomach.html

 

http://ezinearticles.com/?Weight-Loss-Myth...t&id=391028

 

http://lifegetinit.fitdv.com/new/articles/...le.html?artid=2

 

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/randy7.htm

[massmonster]

Here's my take on the matter. Those who usually do cardio in an empty stomach are bodybuilders who could afford to do so because they have freaky amounts of muscle that even losing some of it would not really make any difference in size. I don't think that it would be applied to the normal people because it's boring to do so. Peace.

[Jacques]

Here's my take on the matter. Those who usually do cardio in an empty stomach are bodybuilders who could afford to do so because they have freaky amounts of muscle that even losing some of it would not really make any difference in size. I don't think that it would be applied to the normal people because it's boring to do so. Peace.

 

My thoughts exactly. Not hat I have freaky amounts of muscle on me but I do believe that I have an outstanding muscular base to start with. Thus, sacrificing a little bit of muscle would actually be aesthetically pleasing as long as I can drop my bodyfat levels.

[Jacques]

some articles validating why IT IS BAD to do cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach:

 

http://www.musclebomb.com/cardio_empty_stomach.html

 

http://ezinearticles.com/?Weight-Loss-Myth...t&id=391028

 

http://lifegetinit.fitdv.com/new/articles/...le.html?artid=2

 

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/randy7.htm

 

If I can find articles that would explain the benefits of doing cardio first thing in the morning, wouldn't it validate some of our claims? Now who's right and who's wrong? However, I wont go to that extent and try to refute what you believe in. You have probably seen results with your approach and I congratulate you for that. All of these articles are only theories and not accepted laws. As I have mentioned earlier, it is up to the individual which road he/she chooses to take.

[enkateam]

lets stop this debate because it will go nowhere fast!

[Olympus]

Here's my take on the matter. Those who usually do cardio in an empty stomach are bodybuilders who could afford to do so because they have freaky amounts of muscle that even losing some of it would not really make any difference in size. I don't think that it would be applied to the normal people because it's boring to do so. Peace.

 

Which is why the average person should never do what a bodybuilder or someone with elite genetics does since its setting you up for a disaster....

 

That is also another reason why you wont see models in the off-season since they blow up so that when they lean out, there is a confidence inteval left so that even if some muscle mass is lost, the remaining muscle mass would still be sufficient

[massmonster]

Which is why the average person should never do what a bodybuilder or someone with elite genetics does since its setting you up for a disaster....

 

That is also another reason why you wont see models in the off-season since they blow up so that when they lean out, there is a confidence inteval left so that even if some muscle mass is lost, the remaining muscle mass would still be sufficient

 

Hehe... that's why we never read rags because of all the misinfo contained If those contained the truth then majority of its readers would have become ala-Coleman huge already. I wonder how surprised people would be when they learn about what really happens...

[rockybrawler]

let me quote one of my favorite coahes and colleagues that I totally respect Alwyn Cosgrove on this statement

 

FASTED CARDIO

 

Are you f--king kidding me? Seriously, are you f--king kidding me? Why are we even talking about this?

 

Let's take two twins, both 200lbs, both doing the same training program, taking the same supplements, and following the same nutrition plan in the hopes of getting lean.

 

One difference, though: one of them eats 2 eggs and does 30 minutes of cardio three days per week. The other does 30 minutes of cardio, three days per week and THEN eats 2 eggs.

 

So what's the magical difference in terms of fat loss after six months? Drum roll please...

 

I'll tell you — no f-king difference.

 

However, whenever you bring up this question we get a ton of responses saying, "This is exactly the information I needed!". Oh f--k off. The reason you are still fat is because you couldn't decide to do cardio on an empty stomach or not?

 

30 minutes of steady state cardio will burn about 300 calories. Three times per week – 900 calories. Add that up for 26 weeks and we get a whopping: 23,400 calories.

 

Or 6.6 lbs of fat.

 

In six months.

 

If doing it fasted, burned 30% more (which it doesn't), you're looking at another 2lbs of fat in that same six month period.

 

Or an additional 0.07 pounds per week.

 

And for those of you who say – I do fasted cardio but I have a small scoop of protein first, then you're NOT DOING IT FASTED THEN, ARE YOU?

 

Fat people finish marathons all the time. Aerobic training doesn't do a hell of a lot for real world fat loss. Even if you're hungry

I agree :cool:

 

>>Sir,

I only requested for a simple reply. No 1 or No 2, your answer is too complicated, rude and uncouth. I really don't understand why you have to reply to my posts with bleeped out profanity. What's the point of using the F word anyway? You typed out the F word then you censor it still. I still don't see your point. Are you using the F word to emphasize your masculinity? Sorry dude, where I come from, we don't use the F word to convey a point. It just makes you look rude and uneducated.

 

If fat loss is the goal, then there are two things we want to achieve:

1. Higher metabolism

2. maintaining lean muscle mass

 

any method of strength training which helps you increase your VO2 max ( read: ability to use oxygen more effecienty) also increases your metabolism.

 

Further, we also know that the more muscle mass you have, the better your chances of fighting off the unwanted fat.

 

Now we all know that starving yourself fo a long tim onl slows down your metabolism, so basic fastin will not really help in burning fat... there is such a thing called intermittent fasting, but i do not know much about it.

So again, I do not think that working out on an empty stomach is a good idea....

 

 

>>Thank you Sir. Now this is what I would call a concise reply. See? You can post without using the F word. Feels better, doesn't it?

[Jacques]

>>Sir,

I only requested for a simple reply. No 1 or No 2, your answer is too complicated, rude and uncouth. I really don't understand why you have to reply to my posts with bleeped out profanity. What's the point of using the F word anyway? You typed out the F word then you censor it still. I still don't see your point. Are you using the F word to emphasize your masculinity? Sorry dude, where I come from, we don't use the F word to convey a point. It just makes you look rude and uneducated.

>>Thank you Sir. Now this is what I would call a concise reply. See? You can post without using the F word. Feels better, doesn't it?

 

Si Olympus kasi masyadong hot. Nevertheless, I'm sure he's a driven, dedicated and persistent athlete.