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[rockybrawler]

@ Jacques

Sir, I read conflicting reports about doing cardio.

1. in mens' health, mens fitness magazine, it say it's bad to do cardio on an empty stomach(i.e. first thing when you wake up)because "it will use lean muscle tissue to fuel the workout".

 

2. In muscle mag, it says the best time to do cardio is on an empty stomach (when you wake up) because "it will burn the fat from the previous day".

 

I currently do no 1 but i only have 1/4 cup of oatmeal lang.

 

What's your opinion? Thanks in advance.

[Jacques]

@ Jacques

Sir, I read conflicting reports about doing cardio.

1. in mens' health, mens fitness magazine, it say it's bad to do cardio on an empty stomach(i.e. first thing when you wake up)because "it will use lean muscle tissue to fuel the workout".

 

2. In muscle mag, it says the best time to do cardio is on an empty stomach (when you wake up) because "it will burn the fat from the previous day".

 

I currently do no 1 but i only have 1/4 cup of oatmeal lang.

 

What's your opinion? Thanks in advance.

 

Both statements are actually true. For one, you must understand the our body needs fuel to "burn" whenever we engage in activities such as cardio-vascular excercises. When doing cardio on an empty stomach (usually early morning), the body mainly will rely on stored fuels such as bodyfat and sometimes even stored amino acids in our muscles. In a thread somewhere, I have mentioned that it is inevitable to sacrifice a bit of musclemass while on calorie restricted diets. That's why one strategy we employ is to up our protein intake while dieting to ensure that we replace the aminos being burned in our muscles.

 

Here's what you do. Guage yourself. If you're naturally lean I'd say forego cardio because it'll hinder your progress. But if you really have the goal of leaning out, by all means do cardio on an empty stomach and drink a protein/amino supplement immediately afterwards. The trick here is to actually limit carb intake to promote body fat as fuel. But witht the assumption that the body would have the tendency to "cannibalize" your own muscle for energy, just ensure you're taking more protein to compensate for this. This is why I tend to consume more protein while dieting as compared to the off season training.

 

Hope this helps.

[Jacques]

I need tips how to build my muscles, I'm 5'10 and on the lean side, maski na ano kainin ko i dont gain weight that much, ganito na body type ko maski na noong bata pa ako..any tips will be greatly appreciated..

 

You might want to back read a bit. If you're having a hard time gaining weight, forego cardio excercises. If you play basketball, abstain from it. And gradually increase your calorie intake. Take 6 to 8 meals spread across the day with 2 to 3 hour intervals. Shoot for 3500 to 5000 calories a day. Employ compound excersises (squats, deadlifts, military presses, bench press etc) on your workout regimen. Sleep 8 to 10 hours a day. Be consistent. If these wont work, maybe 'juice" will, but we don't recomend that.

[Larry]

what's a good substitute for pull ups? and rows?

[Jacques]

what's a good substitute for pull ups? and rows?

 

Why would you substitute these excercise? This will be your bread and butter for back development. I can't think of other excercises than those mentioned above (except for deadlifts and chin ups) to develop a muscualr foundation for your back. You may try machines but I doubt you'd get outstanding results.

[Larry]

Why would you substitute these excercise?

 

work out at home

 

no pull up bar

 

that's why

[THUG]

@ Jacques

Sir, I read conflicting reports about doing cardio.

1. in mens' health, mens fitness magazine, it say it's bad to do cardio on an empty stomach(i.e. first thing when you wake up)because "it will use lean muscle tissue to fuel the workout".

 

2. In muscle mag, it says the best time to do cardio is on an empty stomach (when you wake up) because "it will burn the fat from the previous day".

 

I currently do no 1 but i only have 1/4 cup of oatmeal lang.

 

What's your opinion? Thanks in advance.

 

 

i do 2.. best time to do long slow cardio (around 1 hour continuous) is on empty stomach (as long as you eat the night before).. then refuel immediately afterwards.. make sure you eat within 15 mins after cardio .. its the refueling that matters most..

 

mine is not truly empty though.. i drink lots of water with fiber supplement in the morning before the run..

 

:hypocritesmiley:

Edited March 23, 2007 by THUG

[Jacques]

work out at home

 

no pull up bar

 

that's why

 

If you have a barbell, pile up the plates and you can start rowing, and doing deadlifts. Better yet, get a gym membership.

[Olympus]

Jacques

Sir, I read conflicting reports about doing cardio.

1. in mens' health, mens fitness magazine, it say it's bad to do cardio on an empty stomach(i.e. first thing when you wake up)because "it will use lean muscle tissue to fuel the workout".

 

2. In muscle mag, it says the best time to do cardio is on an empty stomach (when you wake up) because "it will burn the fat from the previous day".

 

I currently do no 1 but i only have 1/4 cup of oatmeal lang.

 

What's your opinion? Thanks in advance.

 

let me quote one of my favorite coahes and colleagues that I totally respect Alwyn Cosgrove on this statement

 

FASTED CARDIO

 

Are you f--king kidding me? Seriously, are you f--king kidding me? Why are we even talking about this?

 

Let's take two twins, both 200lbs, both doing the same training program, taking the same supplements, and following the same nutrition plan in the hopes of getting lean.

 

One difference, though: one of them eats 2 eggs and does 30 minutes of cardio three days per week. The other does 30 minutes of cardio, three days per week and THEN eats 2 eggs.

 

So what's the magical difference in terms of fat loss after six months? Drum roll please...

 

I'll tell you — no f-king difference.

 

However, whenever you bring up this question we get a ton of responses saying, "This is exactly the information I needed!". Oh f--k off. The reason you are still fat is because you couldn't decide to do cardio on an empty stomach or not?

 

30 minutes of steady state cardio will burn about 300 calories. Three times per week – 900 calories. Add that up for 26 weeks and we get a whopping: 23,400 calories.

 

Or 6.6 lbs of fat.

 

In six months.

 

If doing it fasted, burned 30% more (which it doesn't), you're looking at another 2lbs of fat in that same six month period.

 

Or an additional 0.07 pounds per week.

 

And for those of you who say – I do fasted cardio but I have a small scoop of protein first, then you're NOT DOING IT FASTED THEN, ARE YOU?

 

Fat people finish marathons all the time. Aerobic training doesn't do a hell of a lot for real world fat loss. Even if you're hungry

 

 

 

If you have a barbell, pile up the plates and you can start rowing, and doing deadlifts. Better yet, get a gym membership.

 

 

I agree :cool:

[Larry]

If you have a barbell, pile up the plates and you can start rowing, and doing deadlifts. Better yet, get a gym membership.

 

thanks

[Jacques]

let me quote one of my favorite coahes and colleagues that I totally respect Alwyn Cosgrove on this statement

 

FASTED CARDIO

 

Are you f--king kidding me? Seriously, are you f--king kidding me? Why are we even talking about this?

 

Let's take two twins, both 200lbs, both doing the same training program, taking the same supplements, and following the same nutrition plan in the hopes of getting lean.

 

One difference, though: one of them eats 2 eggs and does 30 minutes of cardio three days per week. The other does 30 minutes of cardio, three days per week and THEN eats 2 eggs.

 

So what's the magical difference in terms of fat loss after six months? Drum roll please...

 

I'll tell you — no f-king difference.

 

However, whenever you bring up this question we get a ton of responses saying, "This is exactly the information I needed!". Oh f--k off. The reason you are still fat is because you couldn't decide to do cardio on an empty stomach or not?

 

30 minutes of steady state cardio will burn about 300 calories. Three times per week – 900 calories. Add that up for 26 weeks and we get a whopping: 23,400 calories.

 

Or 6.6 lbs of fat.

 

In six months.

 

If doing it fasted, burned 30% more (which it doesn't), you're looking at another 2lbs of fat in that same six month period.

 

Or an additional 0.07 pounds per week.

 

And for those of you who say – I do fasted cardio but I have a small scoop of protein first, then you're NOT DOING IT FASTED THEN, ARE YOU?

 

Fat people finish marathons all the time. Aerobic training doesn't do a hell of a lot for real world fat loss. Even if you're hungry

I agree :cool:

 

You stated your point in a nice logical presentation Mr. Olympus. But let me share my feedback on your statements. First, I don't recall anyone mentioning that you'd burn more calories when doing cardio on an empty stomach. The idea here was by doing so, you tap energy from stored fuels in your body from the form of fats or amino acids. Next, the main issue is that will this approach result into canibalizing muscle and not fat loss. Thus, what we are talking about here are "strategies" on how to employ cardio while minimizing the risk of amino canibalization/muscle catabolism in the body. I'm not even sure if you understood what we are talking about. Nevertheless, I doubt that you'd even consider what have been said because this is not the first time we have argued on what works and what doesn't. If you don't welcome this ideas and think it's a bunch of bull, by all means stick with what you believe in. But for some people like me who could really attest to the things I've tried and preach, please give us the respect. I also hope you'd mind the way you speak out. I respect you and know that you've also dedicated yourself to fitness for some time to release bold statements. There's nothing wrong to refute and challenge the opinions of others. Please do it in an educated manner. Peace bro.

[enkateam]

You stated your point in a nice logical presentation Mr. Olympus. But let me share my feedback on your statements. First, I don't recall anyone mentioning that you'd burn more calories when doing cardio on an empty stomach. The idea here was by doing so, you tap energy from stored fuels in your body from the form of fats or amino acids. Next, the main issue is that will this approach result into canibalizing muscle and not fat loss. Thus, what we are talking about here are "strategies" on how to employ cardio while minimizing the risk of amino canibalization/muscle catabolism in the body. I'm not even sure if you understood what we are talking about. Nevertheless, I doubt that you'd even consider what have been said because this is not the first time we have argued on what works and what doesn't. If you don't welcome this ideas and think it's a bunch of bull, by all means stick with what you believe in. But for some people like me who could really attest to the things I've tried and preach, please give us the respect. I also hope you'd mind the way you speak out. I respect you and know that you've also dedicated yourself to fitness for some time to release bold statements. There's nothing wrong to refute and challenge the opinions of others. Please do it in an educated manner. Peace bro.

 

and to anyone who wants to refute anything...please do so with clinical evidence, because without it, it's just another guy talking out of his ass...

 

but to be fair for anyone who believes in fasted cardio or nonfasted cardio. This debate will never be resolved because both sides have valid points. So it's really up to the person to find out how their body responds to a certain cardio method.

[THUG]

You stated your point in a nice logical presentation Mr. Olympus. But let me share my feedback on your statements. First, I don't recall anyone mentioning that you'd burn more calories when doing cardio on an empty stomach. The idea here was by doing so, you tap energy from stored fuels in your body from the form of fats or amino acids. Next, the main issue is that will this approach result into canibalizing muscle and not fat loss. Thus, what we are talking about here are "strategies" on how to employ cardio while minimizing the risk of amino canibalization/muscle catabolism in the body. I'm not even sure if you understood what we are talking about. Nevertheless, I doubt that you'd even consider what have been said because this is not the first time we have argued on what works and what doesn't. If you don't welcome this ideas and think it's a bunch of bull, by all means stick with what you believe in. But for some people like me who could really attest to the things I've tried and preach, please give us the respect. I also hope you'd mind the way you speak out. I respect you and know that you've also dedicated yourself to fitness for some time to release bold statements. There's nothing wrong to refute and challenge the opinions of others. Please do it in an educated manner. Peace bro.

 

agree..this has been discussed time and again..that quote from someone does not really state whether the calories burned is from stored body fat or from the food we eat.. it just states, calories burned from empty stomach = calories burned from non-empty stomach .. does not make any sense for me..

 

yes the calorie expenditure will be the same, but we what we are trying to determine her is how to tap on using the STORED FAT, and not for the body to cannibalize the muscles.. calories can be from fat, or carbs.. from food we eat or from what are stored in our body.. so these are all different..

 

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i guess as long as you don't lose more than 2 lbs per week, with regular weight training, and protein intake your body will not cannibalize your muscles..

[Olympus]

If fat loss is the goal, then there are two things we want to achieve:

1. Higher metabolism

2. maintaining lean muscle mass

 

any method of strength training which helps you increase your VO2 max ( read: ability to use oxygen more effecienty) also increases your metabolism.

 

Further, we also know that the more muscle mass you have, the better your chances of fighting off the unwanted fat.

 

Now we all know that starving yourself fo a long tim onl slows down your metabolism, so basic fastin will not really help in burning fat... there is such a thing called intermittent fasting, but i do not know much about it.

 

 

So again, I do not think that working out on an empty stomach is a good idea....

[THUG]

Now we all know that starving yourself fo a long tim onl slows down your metabolism, so basic fastin will not really help in burning fat... there is such a thing called intermittent fasting, but i do not know much about it.

So again, I do not think that working out on an empty stomach is a good idea....

 

nobody mentioned starving or fasting.. an empty stomach does not mean you are starving or fasting..you still have body fat and stored glycogen to use..

 

this is why its important to eat the night before, then refuel immediately after the cardio to replace lost glycogen in the muscles..