BornAtNight Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Filipino men are mostly abusive, especially when their wives become older. Divorce can easily be manipulated by these guys. You think women can benefit from divorce? You must be an idiot if you think that's right. These guys will only spend many sexual sessions with their "wives" then abuse them physically so that the women themselves will resort to divorce. The sufferings of women will be multiplied exponentially. Am I right? AGREE! Quote Link to comment
friendly0603 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) which do you agree from his statements?quote from a woman.....The multiple burden women resulted due to men's "machoism". If a battered women wanted a divorce from her abusive husband, i guess the wife was liberated and has the freedom to remarry, and freewill to do anything she wanted to do. I guess both RH Bill and Divorce Bill benefits and liberates filipina women. Edited July 5, 2011 by friendly0603 Quote Link to comment
BornAtNight Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 are you pertaining to me mr friendly? Quote Link to comment
cydney_maldita Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 i agree madami ng broken families sa bansa pero mas marami ang nagsasama na hindi na nila gusto ang mga nakikita nilang katabi pagkagising sa umaga or nagsusuntukan na lang pag magkatabi sila......madami na ang mga kababaihan ang biktima ng domestic violence kaya nagsasama ang dalawang 2 o mag asawa ay dahil mahal nila ang isat isa pero aanhin ang pagsasama kung hindi na nila mahal ang isat isa kung panay kaliwaan lang ang nangyayari.... mas gusto ba ng mga anak ang buong pamilya kuno kung nakikita nila na ang mga magulang nila ay hindi na masaya? or mas gugustuhin ba ng mga anak n magkasama nga ang mga magulang nila pero sadyang hindi na kanais nais ang pagsasama nito masasabi pa bang pamilya iyon? Quote Link to comment
friendly0603 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 are you pertaining to me mr friendly?yes. Quote Link to comment
BornAtNight Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) yes. oh ok I agree to everything He said . But Im not trying to create a debate here , everyone is entitled to their own opinion Just to share my opinion.. Just for the sake of sharing.. I am anti-divorce because... 1. Its not God wants us. 2. I believe that it's not the answer to the growing violence against women and children. I believe it is not a solution to these problems. (E di sana hindi din tumataas ang status ng violence against women sa U.S., lets learn from them)3. (Right to re-marry) "Right" is created to be abused. Example: SeeJohnhenrytan said.. I believe on that--- feel na feel ko, damang dama ko! aabusuhin lang ang karapatan na ito! pramis! LOL4. I believe that divorce will create MORE NEGATIVE effects than POSITIVE effects.Mas marami talaga ang aabuso kesa gagamitin ito sa tama.5. I dont believe that the solution for a happier life is findi ng the second change of marriage or re-marrying. Ambabaw , for me its a little selfish Sorry to say but I respect the bible, the only solution for marital problems is EPH. 5:22-23 or never marry at all (peace po!) Edited July 5, 2011 by BornAtNight Quote Link to comment
friendly0603 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 oh ok I agree to everything He said . But Im not trying to create a debate here , everyone is entitled to their own opinion Just to share my opinion.. Just for the sake of sharing.. I am anti-divorce because... 1. Its not God wants us. 2. I believe that it's not the answer to the growing violence against women and children. I believe it is not a solution to these problems. (E di sana hindi din tumataas ang status ng violence against women sa U.S., lets learn from them)3. (Right to re-marry) "Right" is created to be abused. Example: SeeJohnhenrytan said.. I believe on that--- feel na feel ko, damang dama ko! aabusuhin lang ang karapatan na ito! pramis! LOL4. I believe that divorce will create MORE NEGATIVE effects than POSITIVE effects.Mas marami talaga ang aabuso kesa gagamitin ito sa tama.5. I dont believe that the solution for a happier life is findi ng the second change of marriage or re-marrying. Ambabaw , for me its a little selfish Sorry to say but I respect the bible, the only solution for marital problems is EPH. 5:22-23 or never marry at all (peace po!)It's ok as long as as the debate isn't personal. 1. There is a different God for others and some have no God. Even muslims with mutliple wives are allowed divorce.2. Did we ever really learn from them? “Better to have a country run like hell by the Filipinos than a country run like heaven by the Americans". So please don't say that. Coz the united nations and all other countries actually think this is a good law to have. We never actually learn and think our own is better than others.3. You think people can abuse this right because? everyone is rich enough to go thru divorce and have another massive wedding celebration? No one goes into a marriage thinking it won't work. How many actually go thru multiple marriages? I think that's a very small percentage. Just like the insanely wealthy.4. If you believe that, i think you need to show why. You need to have data and not just a personal bias. Why do you believe? Like I said if that is true, then this law would've been removed by now by other countries.5. What if the spaniards never came to the phils? You wouldn't have a bible If your solution is applicable to all, then we wouldn't be discussing this and all others would follow and no more divorce law. For never marrying at all - then you'd probably be living in sin if you follow the bible/church. Quote Link to comment
BornAtNight Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 It's ok as long as as the debate isn't personal. 1. There is a different God for others and some have no God. Even muslims with mutliple wives are allowed divorce. - My God does not allow divorce 2. Did we ever really learn from them? "Better to have a country run like hell by the Filipinos than a country run like heaven by the Americans". So please don't say that. Coz the united nations and all other countries actually think this is a good law to have. We never actually learn and think our own is better than others. - that is your opinion you have a point 3. You think people can abuse this right because? everyone is rich enough to go thru divorce and have another massive wedding celebration? No one goes into a marriage thinking it won't work. How many actually go thru multiple marriages? I think that's a very small percentage. Just like the insanely wealthy. - well we have a different perception 4. If you believe that, i think you need to show why. You need to have data and not just a personal bias. Why do you believe? Like I said if that is true, then this law would've been removed by now by other countries. - I have datas and statistics , this is not a personal bias ,the law would've been removed? Try to removed it and let see 5. What if the spaniards never came to the phils? You wouldn't have a bible If your solution is applicable to all, then we wouldn't be discussing this and all others would follow and no more divorce law. - I didn't say it is applicable to all actually I don't believe many will agree to me , specially when we are talking about morality. Saying "No to Divorce , Do not Implement it!" is different from saying "I don't agree to Divorce" whatever the come out it would be for a purpose. Hindi ko po ipinipilit ang saken opinion lang And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. - Matthew 24:14Whether the spanish came or not this gospel shall be preach to all the nations, Only God knows his ways or never marrying at all - then you'd probably be living in sin if you follow the bible/church. - we are all sinners bro, only God knows our hearts Again this is my opinion, I'm not against you or others. Quote Link to comment
arochem Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 101% agree with it, bakit? "kasi kung may pinto papasok kailangan ng pinto palabas"karapatan ng isang tao ang lumabas o umayaw sa mga transaksyon or commitments na pinasok nya...its by choice kung gagamitin nya yung exit door..kung masaya ka nmn sa buhay mo bakit kailangan gamitin yun..my point here is every human being deserves an option.. kahit sa anung bagay pa man yan either it is sacred or not...i am not against church, i do believe GOd.it is not about growing violence against women.it is not about many may abuse it..its all about "KARAPATAN NG ISANG TAO". Quote Link to comment
TheSmilingBandit Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Matthew 19:9"And I say unto you, whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery; and whoso marrieth her who is put away doth commit adultery." Deuteronomy 24: 1-5"When a man hath taken a wife and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favor in his eyes because he hath found some uncleanness in her, then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she has departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. And if the latter husband hate her and write her a bill of divorcement, and putteth it in her hand and sendeth her out of his house, or if the latter husband die who took her to be his wife, her former husband who sent her away may not take her again to be his wife after she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD, and thou shalt not cause the land to sin which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business; but he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife whom he hath taken." BAN, seems to me that your God does allow divorce, it's your CHURCH that doesn't. Quote Link to comment
BornAtNight Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) oh TSB sorry for the wrong term My God doesn't WANT divorce Malachi 2:16 "I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty. So guard yourself in your spirit,and do not break faith. Edited July 6, 2011 by BornAtNight Quote Link to comment
TheSmilingBandit Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) oh TSB sorry for the wrong term My God doesn't WANT divorce Malachi 2:16 "I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty. So guard yourself in your spirit,and do not break faith. I've always wondered at the ability of people to "know" what their god/s are thinking. By the way, what bible are you reading? My copy of the King James edition has this for Malachi Malachi 2 1"And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. 2If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart to give glory unto My name," saith the LORD of hosts, "I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings. Yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. 3Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it. 4And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that My covenant might be with Levi," saith the LORD of hosts. 5"My covenant was with him of life and peace, and I gave them to him for the fear with which he feared Me and was afraid before My name. 6The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found on his lips. He walked with Me in peace and equity, and turned many away from iniquity. 7For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth; for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts. 8But ye have departed from the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi," saith the LORD of hosts. 9"Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept My ways but have been partial in the law." 10Have we not all one Father? Hath not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother by profaning the covenant of our fathers? 11Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god. 12The LORD will cut off the man who doeth this -- the master and the scholar -- out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the LORD of hosts. 13And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out insomuch that He regardeth not the offering anymore, nor receiveth it with good will from thy hand. 14Yet ye say, "Why?" Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously; yet she is thy companion and the wife of thy covenant. 15And did not He make one? Yet had He the residue of the spirit. And why one? That He might seek a godly seed! Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth. 16"For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that He hateth putting away; for one covereth violence with his garment," saith the LORD of hosts. "Therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously." 17Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, "Wherein have we wearied Him?" When ye say: "Every one who doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and He delighteth in them," or, "Where is the God of judgment?" Oh, also, if you read the entire text, the God of Israel is reprimanding Judah for "marrying the daughter of a strange god" i.e. that Judah converted to another religion, you can't really pick one verse and say that is what God means when in other verses he talks about divorce (see Leviticus 21 and 22) and what to do with divorced women. For myself, divorce sounds like a better deal than being separated and unable to secure an annulment without a sizable "donation" to the church. Edited July 6, 2011 by TheSmilingBandit Quote Link to comment
complicated8 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Watched the debate between SLU (pro) and San Beda (anti) on proposal for divorce.Really funny when people just answer yes or no to rebuttal and try to defend their answer when they really can't. Ex. Muslims have divorce. Is there discrimination? San Beda - No - there is no discrimination. hahahaha!!! (the fact that it applies to one group and not others already means there is discrimination). I don't know how the guy still tried to defend his answer. Quote Link to comment
direstraits94 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 yes to divorce ,lots of battered women this day's Quote Link to comment
SaintPeter5858 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Say yes to divorce if you want additional thousands of "hamog" and rugby-sniffing kids on the streets of makati and Manila. Quote Link to comment
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