dragonei Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 ^^ Ganda sources mo djrs ah.... Ok keep em coming para updated naman tayo. As for the Valero fight. Well ok maganda knockout power nya. Pero Im still wondering how well he would actually do against top caliber fighters. Lets face it the guy has not yet made any career defining fights. Tama yung sinabi ng isa dito. Maybe it would be good for him kung talunin nya muna mga tinalo ni pacquiao. I heard barrera is coming out of retirement. DI pa yata pwede lumaban si Valero sa Las Vegas so I doubt if at this point pacquiao will be willing to take the fight outside of vegas. Basta kahit sino kalabanin ni Pacquiao, huwag lang si Malinaggi that will be a big joke fight! Maging sparring partner na lang siya ni Pacman Quote Link to comment
o0onapstero0o Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 heheeheh, ATA? alam mo ba na dapat e ODLH vs. Hatton? kasi expected na matatalo si MANNY? hehehehe. kasama ka ba sa negotiation? bakit sobrang affected mo? nagkapirmahan na ba? parang NBA Players din yan... pag ROOKIE ka ikaw pipiliin...(Draft picks) PAG ALL-STAR ka na! ikaw mamimili kung saan team ka maglalaro at kung sino pinakamalaki ang offer na PERA.. MALABO pa ba ang example? NBA-SPORTS BUSINESS BOXING -SPORTS BUSINESS Si pacman naman ngayon ang GREEDY? hehehehe. Crab mentality talaga oh.... hayyyzzz.. nung si ODLH mas lamang sa Bayaran laban kay MP wala ako naririnig o nababasa na GREEDY si ODLH.. nung si pacman naman ang nasa tuktok ng boxing.. at mas gusto mas mataas ang bayad sa kanya ngayon greedy na si MP.. Nung si Marquez hinamon ni pacman ng second bout dahil sa DRAW nung first mas gusto ni Marquez mas mataas bayad sa kanya pero iniwasan nya si PACMAN wala ako nabasa na GREEDY si Marquez. pero nung natalo ni pacman si marquez ang sabi ng iba dapat panalo si marquez.. tapos maririnig mo takot si pacman kay marquez.. hayyyy buhay nga naman.... sarap kumain ng CRAB stick... heheheheh. saka dumidiskarte lang yang mga adviser ni MP para mas tumaas ang VALUE ni MP... at mas tumaas ang bayad sa kanya.. pero under NEGOTIATION pa naman e... HINDI under CONTRACT na... malay mo matuloy sa 50-50.... hehehehe. maganda din sinabi ni sir Dragonei.. anu tawag mo dun undi greedy? crab mentality? wtf. im just sick and tired of people pretending na modern hero si PacMan! That's it! Pacman is just an athlete it just so happened na Pinoy siya kaya may panig tayo sa knya pero dapat may limitations din. tanggapin nyo na tao din yan... may kahinaan at may kinakatakutan. Him dodging JMM? welll, no one can tell hangga't hindi sila naglalaban for the 3rd time. maybe he is maybe he's not. anu ba pagkakaintindi mo sa GREEDY? is it solely for money matter? ok sana makipag-usap sau kaso namemersonal ka na... tsk tsk tsk too bad. taas pa nman sana ng tingin ko sau kaso may sayad ka din pala. Quote Link to comment
dragonei Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 ^^^ Pre cool ka lang. Sa akin di ko kahit kailan tinuring na bayani si Pacquiao. I just consider him one of the best athletes in the world yun lang yun. I often admitted in several instances that manny is a boxer. Thats what he does for a living. Thats how he makes money, thats how he pays his bills. Ang ginagawa nya ay ginagawa nya para sa hanapbuhay nya hindi para sa pilipinas. I mean di naman tumataas value ng piso pag nanalo siya di ba? And there is nothing wrong doing your profession for money. Lawyers and Doctors become who they are because they believe money and prestiege is good in that profession. Ibig ba sabihin nun greedy ka na? As to with the deal with pacquiao. Hindi si Pacquiao dapat sisihin mo kundi yung negotiators nya. Tama naman sabi ni manny, trabaho ng promoter at mga abugado nya magplantsa ng kontrata. Ano ba alam ni manny sa pagaayos ng kontrata? Si Manny sasabihin nya lang kung sino gusto nya kalabanin. Tapos sila na bahala magnegotiate ng figures. Dude, in this business you can't personally control the figures etc. Maliban na lang if your Oscar De La Hoya na ikaw nagpropromote sarili mong laban. But even de la hoya have negotiators that directly administer the negotiations. Ngayon yang 60-40 na hatian, hindi si Pacquiao nanguna magsuggest nyan. Ang nagsuggest nyan sina Gacal et al. Kasi tingin nila dehado ang kliente nila sa 50-50 na hatian. Kaya yun yung advice na binigay nila kay Manny. Its a question na lang if whether Gacal indeed studied the contract well to give his client good advices. Its his job to give good advices, thats what Manny Pays him for. Ngayon pag pumalpak kontrata eh di sapakin natin si Gacal. Tsaka isa pa Kung talga naman desidido bawat campo na labanan isat isa Im sure meron at meron ding titiklop dyan. Kaya relax lang Quote Link to comment
djrs Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 @o0onapstero0o, dude relax lang. Analyze mo muna kasi bago ka mag post or maghaka-haka... regarding sa HERO he deserved it tulad ng tawag ng Government natin sa mga OFW... he brings dollar here... pero i consider him an Athlete... GREAT boxer and a true champion... he is also a Businessman... you started saying na greedy si pacman and unprofessional.... i dont defend pacman pero i just stated FACTS here like dragonei is stating. it is boxing-business nothing personal..no need to say that Greedy and Unprofessional si Pacman.. and that is your opinion... well regarding sa CRAB... siguro alam mo naman ibig kong sabihin... alam mo naman ang meaning ng crab mentality.. and that is my opinion. bakit ko nasabi? paano mo naman nasabi na may sayad ako? regarding kay JMM.. talunin nya muna si DIAZ at wala narin dapat patunayan si Pacman kasi 4 times na KD ni Pacman si JMM.. wht not JMM Vs. ODLH? hehehehe. and now magiging 50-50 na ok na ba sayo? Quote Link to comment
dragonei Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Kaya nga, kahit mapa artista, supermodel, o athlete man. Laging meron silang negotiator yan. Meron silang binabayaran para kumuha at umayos kontrata. Ang nangyari dyan, sinabi ni Manny na gusto nya labanan si Hatton. Tapos si Arum, nakipagusap sa campo ni hatton, and got the 50-50 split up deal na sinabi nya kay Gacal Si Gacal trabaho nya to make sure than Manny gets the best deals. So with this, he advices Manny that a 50-50 split up is not a good deal for him. Syempre si Pacquiao, magtitiwala kay Gacal, kaya ipauubaya nya sa kanya, ang sinabi sa kanyang tamang partehan sa kikitain. Kung di maayos ni Gacal gusot na ito, at walang makuhang magandang laban na kikita dahil sa kapalpakan nya. Eh di kay Manny siya mananagot at baka sesantehin pa siya. O maliwanag na? Quote Link to comment
dragonei Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Mga tol, huwag tayo OA masyado, matutuloy yang laban na yan. Mukha ngang ayus na yung mga gusot sa kontrata eh. Ilang araw na yata magkakapirmahan din sila. I mean sayang syempre kikitain ng bawat kampo kung di matutuloy laban. I don't think either fighter will earn as much if they choose to fight other opponents. Si Mayweather di pa naman sigurado na babalik Sa panghihinayang pa lang ng mawawala sa kanila, Im sure this will be enough motivation for both camps to meet halfway. Kaya relax lang tayo. Quote Link to comment
GODzilla Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Wow! masyado atang animated discussion dito ah. sana mabasa din ni pacman to, baka mabigyan tayo balato, hehehe. seriously, if a person can inspire and unite a whole nation, can prevent crime even for one day or make us proud to be filipinos, then he's a hero in my book. Lets face it, Pacman is not perfect, in fact even our heroes have their own faults. what we are saying is that what pacman has achieved is beyond compare and he continues to give us recognition to this day. I guess we are just being overprotective because as of now, he is the face of Filipinos everywhere and any negative impression on him will unfortunately be associated with us. Quote Link to comment
ixnay Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 the way i see things will be in their places once the PPV purse is already settled. ganito rin kc ung nangyari b4 s fight nla MP & ODLH eh. lets just put in this way that MP has the more bragging rights now than most of the fighters that would fight him. Quote Link to comment
thedynamite007 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) idol ki si pacman peru abuso na kayabangan nya tutuusin malaki narin kikitahin nya saka parehas champion sila. alam nyu totoo karma matatalu sya sa kaswapangan nya. crab mentallity man o hindi ayoko yabang nya sobr na yan kahit malaki na kikitahin. Usually underdog nananalu i will go for hatton kahit pinoy aku dahil hindi mala pinoy na ugali ka swapangan at yabang nya. Ay teka most pinoy nga pala lalu mga corrupt na tau sa pinas ganayn na trend , filipino values na pala yan sowie! Tapus guys you call this guy a role model or symbol ng pinoy? Mukang oo nga symbol sya ng Pinoy dahil dami nang corrupt at swapang sa pinas at yung gumagawa pa ng masama yumayaman tulad ni willie na pinupuri pa ng mga gunggong na fil ams sa abroad, saka mga artista at pulitiko na malakas sa korte para makawala sa krimen. hindi ku kinahihiya pagiging Pinoy kundi WALA NANG FILIPINO NGAYUN! Thats the right term. Edited January 15, 2009 by thedynamite007 Quote Link to comment
o0onapstero0o Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 you started saying na greedy si pacman and unprofessional.... i dont defend pacman pero i just stated FACTS here like dragonei is stating. it is boxing-business nothing personal..no need to say that Greedy and Unprofessional si Pacman.. and that is your opinion... well regarding sa CRAB... siguro alam mo naman ibig kong sabihin... alam mo naman ang meaning ng crab mentality.. and that is my opinion. bakit ko nasabi? regarding kay JMM.. talunin nya muna si DIAZ at wala narin dapat patunayan si Pacman kasi 4 times na KD ni Pacman si JMM.. wht not JMM Vs. ODLH? hehehehe. and now magiging 50-50 na ok na ba sayo? We all know na may history si PacMan for changing his mind for a greener pasture. Di ba khit may napirmahan na nga siyang contract sa Golden Boy Promotions nag back-out siya to re-sign w/ Top Rank. Hindi ba GREEDY ang twag sa mga gnung tao? Khit na 8x pang na Knockdown ni PacMan si JMM. hindi nman meaing nun panalo na siya di ba? o cge given na panalo nga si PacMan nung 1st meeting nila kasi may nagkamaling judge for not scoring 10-6. But on the 2nd fight, kahit na Knockdown siya several times on the first rd. its so obvious na panalo si JMM on the latter rd right? so JMM really deserves another chance to finish the business di ba? kahit sino pang mas malaking cut bsta matuloy lang OK na ako. hehehe bka kasi pag hindi nilabanan ni Manny si Hatton and if he settles for a not that famous opponent lalung hindi bumalik si Mayweather. Quote Link to comment
djrs Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 @o0onapstero0o, WOW! panalo sayo si JMM sa second Fight nya kay pacman? WOW!!! Professional Boxing is scored by Effective and Powerful Shots, aggressor or KD! not yung pitik pitik lang... baka kasi Amateur lang ang alam mong scoring... Kung amateur boxing yun... yes panalo si JMM pero its not... baka nakalimutan mo kung sino mas damage ang mukha... hehehehe. Why not ask yourself? if someone offer you sa work na mas mataas ang sweldo and still may work ka, di ka ba lilipat? sa NBA nangyayari yan under contract pa ang isang player pero pag nag opt out na undercontract dahil di sya masaya at mas mataas offer sa ibang team lumilipat diba? asan ang GREEDY dun? hayyyzzzz... ang boxing is not KAWANG GAWA... pero sigurado ko mas maraming natulungan si pacman kesa sa inyo... tapos tatawagin ng iba na Greedy si pacman.. atleast he is earning it sa malinis na paraan... ==hindi ku kinahihiya pagiging Pinoy kundi WALA NANG FILIPINO NGAYUN! Thats the right term. talaga? buti nalang ako hindi ako TXTSPEAK pag nag-ta-type... hehehehehe. Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Do you have photos of Pacman playing? General Santos City – The Trace Laguna Stallions and Ilocos Sur Bravehearts beat their respective foes in contrasting fashions to win the opening games of the Gensan leg of the Smart-Liga Pilipinas Conference II here in the Lagao Gymnasium. Playing his first game with the Stallions, lottery pick Nigerian Sam Ekwe immediately registered the first double-double performance in the community-based league with 12 points and 17 rebounds to lead Laguna to a convincing 84-73 victory over the Edding Zanorte Babami in Wednesday’s doubleheader. Ekwe, the former two-time MVP of the NCAA, teamed up with former FEU star Arvie Mangahas in a first quarter blitz as Laguna led Zanorte or formerly the Zamboanga Amores from start to finish. The Stallions led by as many as 11 points early in the second period as they dominated the boards 47-33. Zanorte tried to keep it close through the efforts of former RP pool candidate Jonathan Pareno and point guard Cris Concepcion as Laguna led 40-30 at the turn. In the main game, the Ilocos Sur spoiled the basketball debut of Filipino boxing icon Manny Pacquiao as the Bravehearts defeated the MP Gensan Warriors, 63-59, to disappoint a big hometown crowd. Pacquiao, who started the game for the host team which he himself owns, scored his only basket with a fastbreak layup at the 6:52 mark of the first to give Gensan their first lead at 4-3.Dodong Tadena and Dondon Mendoza led the Warriors to a 27-22 halftime lead behind its tough pressure defense. Quote Link to comment
dragonei Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 ^^^ Tumpak, I honestly thought the same thing about the 2nd Pacquiao Marquez. Oh don't get me wrong it was a close fight, any fighter could have had it their way. Pero ang professional boxing di naman ito paramihan lang ng suntok. Kung sa paramihan ng suntok si Marquez panalo. Pero kung sa pagalingan ng pagsuntok panalo si Pacquiao. Sa Amateur boxing, kahit maknock down mo kalaban mo 1 point lang yun. Di yun big deal. As I remember it correctly in that Trinidad and Jones Jr. fight, lamang si Trinidad sa dami ng suntok. Nagpapatama pa nga si Jones, pero sa huli panalo si Jones sa unanimous decision dahil alam ng judges na di naman talaga nakakaback down mga suntok ni Trinidad kay Jones. Isa pa ilang beses tumumba si Trinidad. Sa Mayweather-Dela Hoya, marami ding expert ang naniwala na dapat si Golden Boy panalo kahit lamang si Pretty boy sa dami ng landed punches. Kasi halata naman sa Laban that it was oscar who dominated that fight. in short Marquez should just stop bitching and take care of business na lang ======================= Manny being the hero. Well do not get me wrong Im proud of every filipino who makes it big out there, and we should be proud of manny. But I am not going to support the move to declare a national holiday yung pag uwi nya. I will not wait under the scorching heat of the sun para lang makawayan siya. And sorry to say this folks I do not believe he can represent all of us filipinos out there. That is a major fallacy. Ang hirap kasi, komo magaling si Pacquiao automatic lahat ng pinoy kahit pa tambay o pusakal magaling na din. World class na din. Pag panalo si Pacquiao magaling si Pacquiao, icongratualte siya dapat ng buong mundo at ipagmalaki dapat siya ng bansa niya. Ang kaso pag panalo si Pacquaio parang gusto natin obligahin buong mundo na icongratulate tayo. Hindi lahat ng pilipino ay manny pacquiao, kundi ba why would we end up being where we are? What we are simply doing is that as a nation we are already riding on his coat tail. Did the italian-americans think they were the best because of rocky marciano? Did the mexicans think they were the best because of Julio Cesar Chavez? or the british because of Lennox Lewis? Hirap kasi sa atin kapag me pilipino na maututan ni Tom Cruise sa red carpet, automatic nasa front page na kaagad at lahat tayo maghuhumiyaw na angat ang pinoy sa buong mundo But please don't take what I said the wrong way. Dapat natin tularan yung pagpupursigi ng tao para marating kung nasan man siya. He indeed is an inspiration. The exception but not the rule. Dapat kung ipagmamalaki mo na Pilipino ka, di mo dapat yan iniaasa sa achievement ng ibang tao. Dapat iasa mo din yan sa sarili mong achievement and potentials. Bakit mo kailangan abangan ang laban ni Manny Pacquiao para lang ipagmalaki mo na Pilipino ka? Quote Link to comment
jjpaler Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Can somebody tell me who is this FRANKLIN GACAL whom PAPA ROACH describe as bad guy? This guy doesn't deserved to be on Pacman's team. I just want a good fight, BOB ARUM is the promoter and Pacman always says its up to my promoter who is my next opponent,i'm just a boxer. Hey Gacal stay away from the lights. Quote Link to comment
ray004 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 si gacal yung nagsimula ng gulo between GBP and Top Rank nung papirmahin nya si pacman kay ODLH nung sunduin sya sa airport sa US eventhough may existing contract na si manny kay arum Quote Link to comment
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