dragonei Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Totoo yan pero si Jordan at Pippen parehas sa Chicago, isa lang ang paying customer nila kaya dapat mas mataas sahod ng magaling, ito naman British at Pinoy ang fanbase, yung mga British hindi yan pupunta or magbabayad kung hindi si Hatton ang kalaban ni Pacman Ito yung sabi ng kampo ni Hatton “Pacquiao is a great fighter, a great draw and is recognized as the pound-for-pound number one, but Hatton is also a unique fighter who will bring UK TV money, an army of British fans and so in terms of where the money will come from, Ricky Hatton is bringing the lion’s share.” Williams pointed out that although Pacquiao is “massive in the Philippines, thousands of Filipinos aren’t going to travel to Las Vegas or pay to watch it on pay-per-view.” Bottomline : Maraming perang dadalhin si Hatton kaya fair din yung hatian anyway nagkasundo na daw according to djrs O ayan, kung accurtate yung sources ni DJRS, eh di tapos na pala usapan. Huwag na tayong masyadong OA dito. Basta ganito lang lagi dapat yan Si Manny Pipili ng gusto nya kalabanin Si Arum magnenegotiate ng figures Si Gacal et al. sila magbabasa kontrata at magpapaliwanag kay manny, at syempre bibigyan ng advice kung ano makakabuti sa kanya. Siguro gusto humingi ni Gacal ng dagdag na sahod for his legal fees. Kaya gusto magpakitang gilas. Ang sakin, kung magawa nya di OK. Kung hindi at pumalpak negosasyon, eh di dapat tangalin na siya ni Manny. if I am not mistakes siya rin yata me dahilan kung bakit 2 kontrata napirmahan nya Quote Link to comment
GODzilla Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I think making public the demands of pacquiao, by his own people no less, particularly his asking for a bigger share is turning a lot of people off. First of all, he is the challenger and hatton is the champion at 140 lbs. Secondly, the pound for pound title is a fictional one, and was just introduced by some writers because there are several champions in boxing. In fact, for some experts, pacquiao is not even the pound for pound king. Dont get me wrong, i am an avid pacman fan but he should really ignore the advice of his advisers on this one. Remember, these were the same advisers who told him to sign with Golden Boy Prom. and later backed out from the deal. Pacman is fast becoming notorious for being money hungryand someone who has no palabra de honor. I hate to see pacquiao leave this kind of legacy. I guess there is truth to what Calzaghe said that boxing is dying because fighters now a days are fighting for money and not for honor and respect. Just my two cents.... Quote Link to comment
dragonei Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 ^^^ Well like I said kanina pa its all about advices. But can you blame pacquiao? Syempre when you are in a profession as big as this, you will need to consult people to make informed decisions. Its just a question whether alam ni gacal ginagawa nya sa kliente nya Anyway mukhang naayos na naman ang gusot so tapos na usapan na ito kung sakali man. Ang masama nito Gacal f#&ks the deal up and walang makalaban si Manny for two years. Kung di pwede si Hatton, si Malinaggi na lang kaya hehehe Quote Link to comment
jerzz Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) so far ok naman si Arum Correct me if i'm wrong pero ito yung mga naging hatianpacquaio vs marquez 75/25 or 3M/1Mpacquaio vs diaz 80/20 or 4M/1Mpacquaio vs delahoya 35/65 or 11M/20M basic lang yata yan - not too sure Edited January 15, 2009 by jerzz Quote Link to comment
GODzilla Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Oo nga eh, mukhang may sariling mundo itong si gacal, puro palpak advice kay manny. pati ata yung pagtakbo sa elections, siya rin may pakana. anyway, i heard si valero sa top rank na rin, kung sakaling di matuloy kay hatton, silang dalawa ni valero maganda maglaban, bugbugang umaatikabo. kaya lang baka hanggang round one lang, hehehe! Quote Link to comment
djrs Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 @godzilla, P4P might be fictional for you... Remember Manny is not a natural Lightweight he is not a natural Welterwieght... he goes up to fight does bigger fighters.... at nanalo naman sya... at maraming nagsasabi at mga EXPERTS kuno.. "Manny might got killed on the ring"(kasi nga di sya lightweight or welterwieght) Money is nothing kung mapapatay karin diba? Hindi impossibleng mapatay ka sa isang boxing fight.. kaya as much as possible kung ikaw ay sikat na boxer mas gusto mo na mas malaki kikitain mo sa bawat laban. bakit ba si DIaz sya ang Champion? pero mas maliit kinita nya? kasi po mas maraming pupunta para panoorin dahil kay MP.. tapos sasabihin ng iba na UK namang ang Market ni MP! e si manny WORLDWIDE ang Market... hindi man lahat ng taga pinoy sa pinas e makakapunta dun pero Maraming OFW sa U.S.A. baka nakakalimutan natin. ==and by the way... read nyo nalang yung sa news... mukhang 50-50 na ang mangyayari... Quote Link to comment
djrs Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Money Mayweather Is Out of ... Well ... MoneyWednesday, January 14, 2009Posted By Dave "Large" Larzelere 2:36 PM http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sport..._well_..._moneyRetired boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr., the self-anointed “Money May,” is apparently in debt to the tune of six milly to the IRS. What’s more, the feds don’t seem to care that Floyd’s nickname is “Money.” That’s carrying about as much weight as the time I went to the DMV and told them that my homies called me “Driver’s License.” See, I still had to take the test. Quote Link to comment
dragonei Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 ^^ Ganda sources mo djrs ah.... Ok keep em coming para updated naman tayo. As for the Valero fight. Well ok maganda knockout power nya. Pero Im still wondering how well he would actually do against top caliber fighters. Lets face it the guy has not yet made any career defining fights. Tama yung sinabi ng isa dito. Maybe it would be good for him kung talunin nya muna mga tinalo ni pacquiao. I heard barrera is coming out of retirement. DI pa yata pwede lumaban si Valero sa Las Vegas so I doubt if at this point pacquiao will be willing to take the fight outside of vegas. Basta kahit sino kalabanin ni Pacquiao, huwag lang si Malinaggi that will be a big joke fight! Maging sparring partner na lang siya ni Pacman Quote Link to comment
o0onapstero0o Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 heheeheh, ATA? alam mo ba na dapat e ODLH vs. Hatton? kasi expected na matatalo si MANNY? hehehehe. kasama ka ba sa negotiation? bakit sobrang affected mo? nagkapirmahan na ba? parang NBA Players din yan... pag ROOKIE ka ikaw pipiliin...(Draft picks) PAG ALL-STAR ka na! ikaw mamimili kung saan team ka maglalaro at kung sino pinakamalaki ang offer na PERA.. MALABO pa ba ang example? NBA-SPORTS BUSINESS BOXING -SPORTS BUSINESS Si pacman naman ngayon ang GREEDY? hehehehe. Crab mentality talaga oh.... hayyyzzz.. nung si ODLH mas lamang sa Bayaran laban kay MP wala ako naririnig o nababasa na GREEDY si ODLH.. nung si pacman naman ang nasa tuktok ng boxing.. at mas gusto mas mataas ang bayad sa kanya ngayon greedy na si MP.. Nung si Marquez hinamon ni pacman ng second bout dahil sa DRAW nung first mas gusto ni Marquez mas mataas bayad sa kanya pero iniwasan nya si PACMAN wala ako nabasa na GREEDY si Marquez. pero nung natalo ni pacman si marquez ang sabi ng iba dapat panalo si marquez.. tapos maririnig mo takot si pacman kay marquez.. hayyyy buhay nga naman.... sarap kumain ng CRAB stick... heheheheh. saka dumidiskarte lang yang mga adviser ni MP para mas tumaas ang VALUE ni MP... at mas tumaas ang bayad sa kanya.. pero under NEGOTIATION pa naman e... HINDI under CONTRACT na... malay mo matuloy sa 50-50.... hehehehe. maganda din sinabi ni sir Dragonei.. anu tawag mo dun undi greedy? crab mentality? wtf. im just sick and tired of people pretending na modern hero si PacMan! That's it! Pacman is just an athlete it just so happened na Pinoy siya kaya may panig tayo sa knya pero dapat may limitations din. tanggapin nyo na tao din yan... may kahinaan at may kinakatakutan. Him dodging JMM? welll, no one can tell hangga't hindi sila naglalaban for the 3rd time. maybe he is maybe he's not. anu ba pagkakaintindi mo sa GREEDY? is it solely for money matter? ok sana makipag-usap sau kaso namemersonal ka na... tsk tsk tsk too bad. taas pa nman sana ng tingin ko sau kaso may sayad ka din pala. Quote Link to comment
dragonei Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 ^^^ Pre cool ka lang. Sa akin di ko kahit kailan tinuring na bayani si Pacquiao. I just consider him one of the best athletes in the world yun lang yun. I often admitted in several instances that manny is a boxer. Thats what he does for a living. Thats how he makes money, thats how he pays his bills. Ang ginagawa nya ay ginagawa nya para sa hanapbuhay nya hindi para sa pilipinas. I mean di naman tumataas value ng piso pag nanalo siya di ba? And there is nothing wrong doing your profession for money. Lawyers and Doctors become who they are because they believe money and prestiege is good in that profession. Ibig ba sabihin nun greedy ka na? As to with the deal with pacquiao. Hindi si Pacquiao dapat sisihin mo kundi yung negotiators nya. Tama naman sabi ni manny, trabaho ng promoter at mga abugado nya magplantsa ng kontrata. Ano ba alam ni manny sa pagaayos ng kontrata? Si Manny sasabihin nya lang kung sino gusto nya kalabanin. Tapos sila na bahala magnegotiate ng figures. Dude, in this business you can't personally control the figures etc. Maliban na lang if your Oscar De La Hoya na ikaw nagpropromote sarili mong laban. But even de la hoya have negotiators that directly administer the negotiations. Ngayon yang 60-40 na hatian, hindi si Pacquiao nanguna magsuggest nyan. Ang nagsuggest nyan sina Gacal et al. Kasi tingin nila dehado ang kliente nila sa 50-50 na hatian. Kaya yun yung advice na binigay nila kay Manny. Its a question na lang if whether Gacal indeed studied the contract well to give his client good advices. Its his job to give good advices, thats what Manny Pays him for. Ngayon pag pumalpak kontrata eh di sapakin natin si Gacal. Tsaka isa pa Kung talga naman desidido bawat campo na labanan isat isa Im sure meron at meron ding titiklop dyan. Kaya relax lang Quote Link to comment
djrs Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 @o0onapstero0o, dude relax lang. Analyze mo muna kasi bago ka mag post or maghaka-haka... regarding sa HERO he deserved it tulad ng tawag ng Government natin sa mga OFW... he brings dollar here... pero i consider him an Athlete... GREAT boxer and a true champion... he is also a Businessman... you started saying na greedy si pacman and unprofessional.... i dont defend pacman pero i just stated FACTS here like dragonei is stating. it is boxing-business nothing personal..no need to say that Greedy and Unprofessional si Pacman.. and that is your opinion... well regarding sa CRAB... siguro alam mo naman ibig kong sabihin... alam mo naman ang meaning ng crab mentality.. and that is my opinion. bakit ko nasabi? paano mo naman nasabi na may sayad ako? regarding kay JMM.. talunin nya muna si DIAZ at wala narin dapat patunayan si Pacman kasi 4 times na KD ni Pacman si JMM.. wht not JMM Vs. ODLH? hehehehe. and now magiging 50-50 na ok na ba sayo? Quote Link to comment
dragonei Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Kaya nga, kahit mapa artista, supermodel, o athlete man. Laging meron silang negotiator yan. Meron silang binabayaran para kumuha at umayos kontrata. Ang nangyari dyan, sinabi ni Manny na gusto nya labanan si Hatton. Tapos si Arum, nakipagusap sa campo ni hatton, and got the 50-50 split up deal na sinabi nya kay Gacal Si Gacal trabaho nya to make sure than Manny gets the best deals. So with this, he advices Manny that a 50-50 split up is not a good deal for him. Syempre si Pacquiao, magtitiwala kay Gacal, kaya ipauubaya nya sa kanya, ang sinabi sa kanyang tamang partehan sa kikitain. Kung di maayos ni Gacal gusot na ito, at walang makuhang magandang laban na kikita dahil sa kapalpakan nya. Eh di kay Manny siya mananagot at baka sesantehin pa siya. O maliwanag na? Quote Link to comment
dragonei Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Mga tol, huwag tayo OA masyado, matutuloy yang laban na yan. Mukha ngang ayus na yung mga gusot sa kontrata eh. Ilang araw na yata magkakapirmahan din sila. I mean sayang syempre kikitain ng bawat kampo kung di matutuloy laban. I don't think either fighter will earn as much if they choose to fight other opponents. Si Mayweather di pa naman sigurado na babalik Sa panghihinayang pa lang ng mawawala sa kanila, Im sure this will be enough motivation for both camps to meet halfway. Kaya relax lang tayo. Quote Link to comment
GODzilla Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Wow! masyado atang animated discussion dito ah. sana mabasa din ni pacman to, baka mabigyan tayo balato, hehehe. seriously, if a person can inspire and unite a whole nation, can prevent crime even for one day or make us proud to be filipinos, then he's a hero in my book. Lets face it, Pacman is not perfect, in fact even our heroes have their own faults. what we are saying is that what pacman has achieved is beyond compare and he continues to give us recognition to this day. I guess we are just being overprotective because as of now, he is the face of Filipinos everywhere and any negative impression on him will unfortunately be associated with us. Quote Link to comment
ixnay Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 the way i see things will be in their places once the PPV purse is already settled. ganito rin kc ung nangyari b4 s fight nla MP & ODLH eh. lets just put in this way that MP has the more bragging rights now than most of the fighters that would fight him. Quote Link to comment
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