PacMan's Corner

[wizard23]

For me, medyo wala ng sense of HONOR ang Boxing...

 

"PERA PERA nalang"

 

Sana bumalik yung sense na "kakalabanin ko ito dahil sya next kong kakalabanin", hindi yung "kakalabanin ko ito dahil kahit talo ako malaki ang kikitain ko"

 

Yung sharing ng profits talagang grabe na, hindi pa panalo eh malaki na ang share, paano kung matalo??? Malaki pa din ba???

 

 

good point. dapat ang usapan, whoever wins gets the bigger pie para talagang exciting ang laban kasi nga you're fighting for the bigger prize.

[bubuy]

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Di naman. He's the world's pound for pound boxing king, so he has the right to bid sa hatian. Hatton was defeated by Mayweather so his chips are down na. Manny has beaten them, practically, all na. In reality, its still business and, parang employee sa isang opisina, you know your worth, why not ask for additional pay? Kundi yung sweldo mo, with all your worthiness, magiging kasing (50-50) pareho lang ng lowly, incompetent employee. The higher one assume his status, the higher siyempre his share of the pie.

i know. you just chose to see my statement as half empty instead of half full.

[Gideon]

good point. dapat ang usapan, whoever wins gets the bigger pie para talagang exciting ang laban kasi nga you're fighting for the bigger prize.

 

Yeah, tapos ngayon mukhang hindi na matutuloy yung laban nya with Hatton, dahil sa profit sharing...

 

Talagang pera na lang ang habol, kahit matalo panalo pa din...

[o0onapstero0o]

unprofessional? may pinirmahan na ba? hehehehe.

 

ikaw na din nag sabi kasama din si pacman sa pag decide... hehehehehe....

 

relax ka lang di karin naman kikita e... hindi porke mas gusto ni pacman na sya mas mataas sa hatian unprofessional na sya.. garapal na sya..

 

dapat lang kay manny yan na mas mataas naman sya... dahil mas kilala si manny kesa kay hatton....

 

punta ka sa asia mag survey ka check mo kung sino mas sikat sa dalawa... punta ka sa america! at australia.. mas sikat si manny..

 

sa endorsement palang nya sa nike... sya nasa taas ngayon kaya dapat lang...

 

sa oscar vs. pacman mas mataas kay oscar.. pero sino nanalo? si pacman... hehehehhe. sino mas malaki kinita? si Oscar! why? kasi mas sikat si oscar... at money maker talaga... syempre di ka magiging sikat sa boxing kung di ka magaling.

 

 

 

hindi pa ata tapos yung laban nila ni ODLH may usap-usapan na na si Hitman ang next in line for him... he's unprofessional kasi pumayag na yung promoter niya tpos may mga demands pa pala siya... in the first place, kung maayos ang usapan nila ng promoter niya hindi mangyayari lhat ng ito... wala bang history si PacMan sa pagiging unprofessional?

 

It's not about who's the popular one. it's about making a statement na kahit sino iharap sa knya eh lalabanan niya... 65-35 is just too much. (IMO atleast) it can only show how greedy PacMan had become throughout the years niya sa boxing... maybe it's because of the election is fast approaching.

[jerzz]

Team Pacquiao may abandon Hatton fight

January 14, 2009 03:02:00

Cedelf P. Tupas

Philippine Daily Inquirer

 

MANILA, Philippines—The impasse over the sharing of the fight purse has put the May 2 Manny Pacquiao-Ricky Hatton showdown in Las Vegas in jeopardy.

 

The possibility of a cancellation surfaced Monday, after Pacquiao’s lawyer, Franklin Gacal, hinted that they will look for another opponent if the Filipino hero fails to get a 60 percent share for the fight.

 

The Hatton camp remains adamant of a 50-50 split, which it had verbally agreed to with Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank.

 

Gacal said Arum is aware of Pacquiao’s opposition to the terms.

 

“We have informed Bob Arum that we are not signing the contract,” Gacal said in an interview with ABS-CBN.

 

“Manny is not content with what was laid on the table. If the figures won’t move, we will look for another [challenger].”

 

Pacquiao is coming off the biggest victory of his career—an eighth-round technical knockout of Oscar De La Hoya, the sport’s biggest draw, last Dec. 6.

 

In giving his blessing to a 50-50 split, Arum attributed Hatton’s huge British fan following which he said would contribute heavily to fight revenues.

 

“We might do a million homes on pay-per-view in England,” Arum said. “You have to give Hatton some credit for what he brings to the table.”

 

“We already have a verbal agreement from Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum that it would be 50-50 split for the contest,” Hatton’s lawyer, Gareth Williams told the British newspaper Daily Telegraph.

 

The purse stalemate isn’t the first time a snag has hit the 140-lb battle. Hatton’s camp had earlier insisted on holding the fight at London’s Wembley Stadium.

[jerzz]

Recent report

 

Galit na si Arum at Roach sa mga bumubulong kay Pacquiao, 50-50 daw or No Fight. Napahiya na si Arum

 

And to make it even more difficult for the parties involved to find a win-win solution, Top Rank chief Bob Arum has told Pacquiao’s lawyer, Franklin Gacal, that he can’t do anything more to change the 50-50 sharing scheme that was imposed by Hatton and Golden Boy Promotions (GBP).

 

"He (Arum) can’t move the figures," Gacal said yesterday after a long-distance conversation with the Hall of Fame promoter.

Edited January 14, 2009 by jerzz

[dragonei]

^^^^

 

Ganito kasi Yan. Si Pacquiao talagang gusto naman nya kalabanin si Hatton. So trabaho ngayon ng promoter nya at mga negotiators to get the fight. Sila gagawa ng deals para matuloy laban na gusto ni Manny.

 

Syempre trabaho din ng mga negotiators nya to look after the best interest of their fighter. Nakita nila di fair yung hatian. Natural bibigyan nila ng abiso si manny tungkol dyan. And manny has to take their word for it, thats what they are paid to do naman. To give good advices to him so he can make informed decisions. Pag Ok na ka manny eh di Go.

 

Ngayon pag pumalpak itong deal na ito. Isa lang ibig sabihin nyan. Palpak yung negotiating tactics ni Gacal, o kaya naman manny has been given a bad advice. In either way hindi kasalanan yan ni Manny. Kasalanan yan ng mga tatanga tangang adviser who can't negotiate properly.

 

In principle tama lang naman na mas malaki shares ni Pacquaio kasi mas sikat naman talaga siya kay hatton. Para sa akin hindi issue yung hatian. Ang malaking tanong dito, tama ba yung negotiations na ginagawa and are they really giving pacquiao a good advice on this one. As of this point its too early to tell. Malalaman lang natin sa kahihinatnan ng deal na ito.

 

Kung tutuusin maraming boxer ang nasisira dahil palpak yung management team. Like for instance si Winky Wright, hangang ngayon di makakuha ng laban. Or dito na lang sa atin, si Boom Boom Bautista. Magaling sana yung tao kaso mali ang training camp na pinasukan, at lalong maling mali na sinabak agad siya sa isang kagaya ni Ponce de Leon.

 

Now I am worried because this was not the first time Manny has been given an ill advise. Noong 2 contracts napirmahan nya about his promoter, ang sabay turo siya sa abugado nya na me kasalanan. Which is totoo naman, kaya ka nga binabayaran para aralin mga kontrata pinapasok ng kliente mo. Ngayon if this is the same lawyer who will f#&k up this deal again, I just hope manny will have the good decency to fire his ass, or better yet give him a hook-uppercut combo.

 

But lets pray maayos naman nila ang gusot na ito. The most important thing is talaga naman na si Hatton ang gusto kalabanin ni Manny.

 

GO PACMAN!!!

[djrs]

hindi pa ata tapos yung laban nila ni ODLH may usap-usapan na na si Hitman ang next in line for him... he's unprofessional kasi pumayag na yung promoter niya tpos may mga demands pa pala siya... in the first place, kung maayos ang usapan nila ng promoter niya hindi mangyayari lhat ng ito... wala bang history si PacMan sa pagiging unprofessional?

 

It's not about who's the popular one. it's about making a statement na kahit sino iharap sa knya eh lalabanan niya... 65-35 is just too much. (IMO atleast) it can only show how greedy PacMan had become throughout the years niya sa boxing... maybe it's because of the election is fast approaching.

 

 

heheeheh, ATA? alam mo ba na dapat e ODLH vs. Hatton? kasi expected na matatalo si MANNY? hehehehe.

 

kasama ka ba sa negotiation? bakit sobrang affected mo? nagkapirmahan na ba?

 

parang NBA Players din yan... pag ROOKIE ka ikaw pipiliin...(Draft picks) PAG ALL-STAR ka na! ikaw mamimili kung saan team ka maglalaro at kung sino pinakamalaki ang offer na PERA.. MALABO pa ba ang example?

 

NBA-SPORTS BUSINESS

 

BOXING -SPORTS BUSINESS

 

Si pacman naman ngayon ang GREEDY? hehehehe. Crab mentality talaga oh.... hayyyzzz..

 

nung si ODLH mas lamang sa Bayaran laban kay MP wala ako naririnig o nababasa na GREEDY si ODLH..

 

nung si pacman naman ang nasa tuktok ng boxing.. at mas gusto mas mataas ang bayad sa kanya ngayon greedy na si MP..

 

Nung si Marquez hinamon ni pacman ng second bout dahil sa DRAW nung first mas gusto ni Marquez mas mataas bayad sa kanya pero iniwasan nya si PACMAN wala ako nabasa na GREEDY si Marquez. pero nung natalo ni pacman si marquez ang sabi ng iba dapat panalo si marquez.. tapos maririnig mo takot si pacman kay marquez..

 

hayyyy buhay nga naman.... sarap kumain ng CRAB stick... heheheheh.

 

saka dumidiskarte lang yang mga adviser ni MP para mas tumaas ang VALUE ni MP... at mas tumaas ang bayad sa kanya.. pero under NEGOTIATION pa naman e... HINDI under CONTRACT na...

 

malay mo matuloy sa 50-50.... hehehehe.

 

maganda din sinabi ni sir Dragonei..

Edited January 15, 2009 by djrs

[jerzz]

In principle tama lang naman na mas malaki shares ni Pacquaio kasi mas sikat naman talaga siya kay hatton. Para sa akin hindi issue yung hatian. Ang malaking tanong dito, tama ba yung negotiations na ginagawa and are they really giving pacquiao a good advice on this one. As of this point its too early to tell. Malalaman lang natin sa kahihinatnan ng deal na ito.

 

Tama ka mas sikat ngayon si Pacman pero ang point kasi ni Arum at ng GBP, maraming dadalhing paying customer si Hatton galing sa England, diba gusto nga ng kampo ni Hatton sa England ang laban at pupunuin daw nila yung Wembley Stadium na merong 90,000 seating capacity, papaabutin daw nila sa 100,000 yung paying customers. Pero pumayag din sila Hatton na sa MGM Grand yung laban na may 14,000 seating capacity lang.

 

Ang estimate nila aabot daw sa 1M shares yung PPV(Pay per view) sa England. Alam naman nating halos walang PPV dito sa Pinas, nagtitiyaga na lang tayo sa sangkatutak na patalastas para makalibre.

 

Para sa akin fair na yung 50/50 kasi nga madami ding hatak si Hatton na Paying Britons

 

Ang problema kasi kay Pacquiao, ang dami niyang politikong bisita at sagot niya lahat pati board and lodging kaya ang laki ng expenses niya.

Edited January 15, 2009 by jerzz

[dragonei]

^^

Actually, after the fight with marquez, Manny was offered a guaranteed 6-million para lang sa immidiate rematch. But he instead chose to challenge David Diaz, at di hamak na mas mababa yung revenue nung fight na yun. So papanong sasabihin that he is just being greedy?

 

Gaya nga ng sabi ko, nasa negotiator yan. In principle tama naman talaga na mas malaki hati ni Pacquaio sa laban nila ni Hatton. The real issue here is tama ba paraan ng pagnegotiate ng kampo ni Pacquiao? Kasi syempre he is getting advices from them.

 

Ngayon kung magaling yung negotiators nya at alam nila ginagawa nila, then dapat masara nila yung deal. Kung pumalpak man si Pacquaio at wala na silang makuhang magandang kalaban, eh di kasalanan nila yun. Either way hindi greedy dito si Pacquiao. Its just business.

 

Anatayin na lang natin magiging conclusion nito. Anyway pag pumalpak man sila sa negotiation, pwede ba natin puntahan si Manny at sabihan na.... "Ikaw kasi eh! tatanga tanga ka, bakit mo ba pinili ang mga gagong ito para magnegotiate ng laban mo?, sana sa amin ka na lang nakinig, sana kami na lang kinuha mong adviser" hehehe

[djrs]

Manny Pacquiao nears agreement to fight Ricky Hatton

9:38 AM, January 14, 2009

 

A day after negotiations appeared to be crumbling, Manny Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, just told me that Pacquiao's advisors are now "on board" with a 50-50 purse split with Ricky Hatton, and he expects that, "by tomorrow, I'll have a signed contract."

 

"There was a lot of confusion about why we did 50-50, but everyone now understands why this is a good deal," Arum said. "This thing is going to happen. Yesterday was disarray. Today, everything's back in order."

 

Arum said Pacquiao's retreat from a prior verbal agreement and push for a 60-40 percentage in his favor didn't account for the fact that he would receive half of the money coming from television rights in Britain, revenue that is greatly "attributable to Hatton," who hails from England, Arum said.

 

Hatton will also draw at least half of the live gate, Arum predicted, crediting Pacquiao for driving the U.S. pay-per-view sales.

 

Arum said Hatton's 2007 opponent, Floyd Mayweather Jr., didn't receive any British television money, and when he explained that to Pacquiao's attorney, Franklin Gacal, and the fighter's American and Philippine advisors, "everybody is now calmed down." Arum said he has received a thumbs-up from all three Pacquiao advisors to proceed for a 140-pound May 2 fight in Las Vegas that will match the top pound-for-pound fighter in the world against the charismatic Hatton, who has never lost at 140.

 

Pacquiao today is running a basketball tournament in the Philippines, but he's expected to sign the contract sometime Thursday -- much to the relief of Arum, Hatton and legions of boxing fans.

 

-- Lance Pugmire

 

 

 

so may makukuha si MP sa PPV sa British...?

[howarddeduct]

^^

Actually, after the fight with marquez, Manny was offered a guaranteed 6-million para lang sa immidiate rematch. But he instead chose to challenge David Diaz, at di hamak na mas mababa yung revenue nung fight na yun. So papanong sasabihin that he is just being greedy?

Takot kay Marquez?

[dragonei]

Tama ka mas sikat ngayon si Pacman pero ang point kasi ni Arum at ng GBP, maraming dadalhing paying customer si Hatton galing sa England, diba gusto nga ng kampo ni Hatton sa England ang laban at pupunuin daw nila yung Wembley Stadium na merong 90,000 seating capacity, papaabutin daw nila sa 100,000 yung paying customers. Pero pumayag din sila Hatton na sa MGM Grand yung laban na may 14,000 seating capacity lang.

 

Ang estimate nila aabot daw sa 1M shares yung PPV(Pay per view) sa England. Alam naman nating halos walang PPV dito sa Pinas, nagtitiyaga na lang tayo sa sangkatutak na patalastas para makalibre.

 

Para sa akin fair na yung 50/50 kasi nga madaming ding hatak si Hatton na Paying Britons

 

 

Well Ill respect your take on this, but do take note na kahit naman saang sport, the athlete who has wore winability gets to be paid more. Parang si Micheal Jordan, kung tutuusin dapat pare pareho lang siya ng sweldo kina rodman at pippen kasi its a team sport nga naman. pareho namang nakakahatak ng crowd si rodman at jordan nung nasa isang team sila. Pero in terms of skills and achievement malayo agwat nila so malayo din agwat ng sweldo nila.

 

Now para sa aking kahit maging 60-40 ang hatian nila in favor of Pacquiao, hatton wont exactly go empty handed surely he will make more in this fight than what he did in his last 2 fights. I mean Malinaggi is a bum. Nobody wanted to see this guy fight. Percentage lang naman yan eh. Pag datin sa volume di na lugi si Hatton.

 

Gaya ng sinabi ko, Ideally his negotiators i.e. Atty. Gacal should look after the best interest ni Manny. So Siguro nagpapakitang gilas siya kay manny para taasan pa legal fees na sinisingil nya. And he intends to do so by promising manny that he can get a 60-40 deal. Siguro si Manny nakumbinse naman sa advice na ito. Lets just hope Gacal and his pose know what they are doing and that they can indeed pull this one off.

 

Kung hindi, eh di kay manny siya mananagot.

[jerzz]

Ayos na pala eh hehehe

 

So 50/50 na, di naman papadehado yan si Arum kaya dapat yan sila Gacal wag na masyadong satsat ng satsat, makipag coordinate muna kay Arum.

 

Ngayon wag lang papilay si Pacman diyan sa basketball kundi yari ang $15M minimum payday niya Mga higante makakalaban niya diyan at talunan at takbuhan

[jerzz]

Well Ill respect your take on this, but do take note na kahit naman saang sport, the athlete who has wore winability gets to be paid more. Parang si Micheal Jordan, kung tutuusin dapat pare pareho lang siya ng sweldo kina rodman at pippen kasi its a team sport nga naman. pareho namang nakakahatak ng crowd si rodman at jordan nung nasa isang team sila. Pero in terms of skills and achievement malayo agwat nila so malayo din agwat ng sweldo nila.

 

Totoo yan pero si Jordan at Pippen parehas sa Chicago, isa lang ang paying customer nila kaya dapat mas mataas sahod ng magaling, ito naman British at Pinoy ang fanbase, yung mga British hindi yan pupunta or magbabayad kung hindi si Hatton ang kalaban ni Pacman

 

Ito yung sabi ng kampo ni Hatton

 

“Pacquiao is a great fighter, a great draw and is recognized as the pound-for-pound number one, but Hatton is also a unique fighter who will bring UK TV money, an army of British fans and so in terms of where the money will come from, Ricky Hatton is bringing the lion’s share.”

 

Williams pointed out that although Pacquiao is “massive in the Philippines, thousands of Filipinos aren’t going to travel to Las Vegas or pay to watch it on pay-per-view.”

 

Bottomline : Maraming perang dadalhin si Hatton kaya fair din yung hatian anyway nagkasundo na daw according to djrs