howard_the_duck Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 eh di dapat wala nang points, judges na lang ang pipili... parang jury sa survivor Quote Link to comment
Eddy Syet Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 eh di dapat wala nang points, judges na lang ang pipili... parang jury sa survivor HeHe! Ok, I take it back. What I'm saying is it's overplayed na eh! Kulang na lang kasing sabihing nandaya tayo para manalo... eh sa punto ko lang, kung nanalo man si JMM, hindi rin naman convincing. Mabuti na yung tayo ang nanalo at sila ang mag sour-graping! Quote Link to comment
yikes Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 CONGRATS!!!!!!!! PACMAN!!!!!!!!!!!! MABUHAY ang PINOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mtc: Quote Link to comment
howard_the_duck Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 HeHe! Ok, I take it back. What I'm saying is it's overplayed na eh! Kulang na lang kasing sabihing nandaya tayo para manalo... eh sa punto ko lang, kung nanalo man si JMM, hindi rin naman convincing. Mabuti na yung tayo ang nanalo at sila ang mag sour-graping! kaya nga dapat sa mga ganitong kaso draw na lang or as what i've said earlier, sudden death OT... kung na-knockdown, talo na Quote Link to comment
the_joker Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Bakit kaya nung post fight interview nila, tinatago ni pacman yung mata nya kaya sya nagsuot ng shades... Si marquez, walang shades hindi nya tinatago ang mga sapak ni pacman sa kanya... Hindi naman ganun ka-grabe ang lamog sa mata ni JMM, ang grabe yung untugan nila ng ulo... Ibig kayang sabihin, mas malaki ang damage ni marquez kay pacman kaya ayaw ipakita ni pacman yung mata nya? Quote Link to comment
Eddy Syet Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Bakit kaya nung post fight interview nila, tinatago ni pacman yung mata nya kaya sya nagsuot ng shades... Si marquez, walang shades hindi nya tinatago ang mga sapak ni pacman sa kanya... Hindi naman ganun ka-grabe ang lamog sa mata ni JMM, ang grabe yung untugan nila ng ulo... Ibig kayang sabihin, mas malaki ang damage ni marquez kay pacman kaya ayaw ipakita ni pacman yung mata nya? Hindi ano?! Ang ibig sabihin nun, mas may fashion sense si PacMan kay Dinamita. Quote Link to comment
choy603 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 mas panget lang talag si pacman kesa kay jmm hahahaha Quote Link to comment
brawler201 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) ^ My point exactly. Masyadong nagmumukhang amateur boxing ito with all the score thingies... It should be about "who showed up to fight and who was more aggressive?" Kung 15-rounder lang yun.. malamang kung hindi tulog si Dinamita, nadagdagan ang KD niya! The scoring removes a lot of subjectivity of the judges in pro fights. The whole thing would be a bigger mess if the judges decided fights without the necessary metrics. There is more room for abuse. There is objectivity in scoring but still leaves a lot of subjectivity in the hands of judges to better appreciate fights. To consider the human factor in fights. As against amateur scoring that just measures punches landed. Purely cold stats. Pro scoring basically follows a "10 point must" system first used by the WBC in the 80's. The boxer winning the round is given a mandatory 10 points and the losing boxer 9 points. Addiitonal points are deducted for a knockdown and succeeding knockdowns. There are some nuances but that's basically how it works. It's a good balance of measurable metrics and subjectivity and is less prone to abuse. Edited March 18, 2008 by brawler201 Quote Link to comment
djrs Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 ilang beses na namin pinanood without the commentator!!! as in walang volume! lamang si pacman! dapat nga 10-7 yung rd.3... Holding the rope while going down when got hit by 2 POWERPUNCH. (Lalo na kaliwa ni MP) automatic KD dapat... (Knockdown).... Yung mga naniniwala na Panalo si Marquez siguro Talo lang kayo sa Pustahan... hehehehehhe.http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5531/pac2oz1.gif Quote Link to comment
uaeboy25 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 ilang beses na namin pinanood without the commentator!!! as in walang volume! lamang si pacman! dapat nga 10-7 yung rd.3... Holding the rope while going down when got hit by 2 POWERPUNCH. (Lalo na kaliwa ni MP) automatic KD dapat... (Knockdown).... Yung mga naniniwala na Panalo si Marquez siguro Talo lang kayo sa Pustahan... hehehehehhe.http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5531/pac2oz1.gif yes and hindi nakita yun ng referee na asa likod ni jmm. pero nakita yun ng 3 judges. pero to be fair only 10-8 scoring ang binigay. even talaga it just happen na jmm is ibeen knocked down. well just to be added. one commentator saying hinahahanap ko yung deduction as he hit below the belt.. after seeing this situation definitely its not even. somebody is more powerful and someone is cheating. though all of us is expecting a tko and even it doesnt happen pacman win in that day. ang nakakatawa si marquez. bakit sya magsasalita na nadaya sya in the 1st place hindi basehan yung nilaro nya para manalo. :thumbsupsmiley: but congrats na rin kay jmm kasi sucessfull sya na makatagal sa ring from 3rd round. :goatee: Quote Link to comment
denizgonzalez Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) @Legionerits a bad idea to hold Marquez-Pacman III in the philippines, expect alot more whining from marquez camp if Pacman wins again by decision @djrsmasasabi lng po na knockdown kapag nagland ung tuhod sa canvas or ntouch ng kamay ang canvas, holding the ropes to stay up is allowed Edited March 18, 2008 by Fright Quote Link to comment
djrs Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Fright:oh well but we have the same score card, i had marquez winning by 1 point. but guys we are not the judges in this fight so we dnt have the right to say its questionable QUOTE (Fright @ Mar 18 2008, 02:33 PM) *posts like this happens because pacman's fans are mostly just pacman fans and not really into boxing or knows nothing about boxing at all Really now? 1pt.? lamang ni Marquez sa scorecard mo? Tanong ko sayo san ka nanuod? sa Solar Sports? GMA 7? pinanood mo ba ulit 2 times or More? Ano scoring mo? Pang Olymics(Amateur) or PRO BOXING? kami dito HINDI kami nanood sa Solar sports or sa Gma7! nanuod kami HBO PPV! not once! pinaood din namin na walang sound... sa score card namin malinis 114-113! dapat nga 115-113 e. Why? tignan mo yung .GIF na picture! actually yung judge na nagbigay na 115-113 Marquez (si Roth ata yun) dapat nga kay pacman din yun! Unanimous dapat.... yes hindi kasi tayo JUDGE pero sa bilis ng pangyayari kailangan panoorin mo pa ulit! ulit-ulitin at ma convince ka na panalo si PACMAN! Yan ang balance.. kung sino panalo panalo talaga... http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5531/pac2oz1.gif Quote Link to comment
uaeboy25 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 @Legionerits a bad idea to hold Marquez-Pacman III in the philippines, expect alot more whining from marquez camp if Pacman wins again by decision @djrsmasasabi lng po na knockdown kapag nagland ung tuhod sa canvas or ntouch ng kamay ang canvas, holding the ropes to stay up is allowed sorry my friend. hindi po humiga or natouch sa canvas gloves sa canvas during the fight of castillo-corrales match. sabi ko nga decision un ng referee at judge kung iconsider na knockdown. and some judge he considered it as knockdown. Quote Link to comment
djrs Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 @djrsmasasabi lng po na knockdown kapag nagland ung tuhod sa canvas or ntouch ng kamay ang canvas, holding the ropes to stay up is allowed hahahaha. WRONG! that is not the rule! tignan mo yung Vasquez and Marquez fight!!!! sus.. eto panoorin mo!!! 3:28 time ng YOUTUBE! wag mo na depensahan... talo na e... kita mo binilangan si Marquez!!!! hindi bumagsak humawak lang sa Rope!!! Quote Link to comment
denizgonzalez Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Really now? 1pt.? lamang ni Marquez sa scorecard mo? Tanong ko sayo san ka nanuod? sa Solar Sports? GMA 7? pinanood mo ba ulit 2 times or More? Ano scoring mo? Pang Olymics(Amateur) or PRO BOXING? kami dito HINDI kami nanood sa Solar sports or sa Gma7! nanuod kami HBO PPV! not once! pinaood din namin na walang sound... sa score card namin malinis 114-113! dapat nga 115-113 e. Why? tignan mo yung .GIF na picture! actually yung judge na nagbigay na 115-113 Marquez (si Roth ata yun) dapat nga kay pacman din yun! Unanimous dapat.... yes hindi kasi tayo JUDGE pero sa bilis ng pangyayari kailangan panoorin mo pa ulit! ulit-ulitin at ma convince ka na panalo si PACMAN! Yan ang balance.. kung sino panalo panalo talaga... http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5531/pac2oz1.gifpuso mo =) theres no need to be angry just because i scored the fight having marquez leading 1 point. its my own point of view, and im not angry that the judges scored in favor of pacman because its just a close fight. i was scoring it during the fight, but i viewed the fight 4 times again. and my score card doesnt change ^^ hm.. i wonder if the judges in the fight needed to view the fight 2 times more just to score the fight hehe it was a pro boxing fight so of course i scored it that way, do u know donaire? hes a pro boxer too, actually a IBF/IBO champion, and he scored the fight having marquez winning by 1 point lol we have our own points of view brother, theres no need to increase ur blood pressure just because some guys scored it for JMM. im actually turned off the marquez complaining about the result cuz he knows too that the fight was really close and he still said that they robbed him hs belt he can only say that if he was really dominating the whole fight and still pacman won. but no every round was close. except of cours for round 3 and 2 other rounds Quote Link to comment
djrs Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 hahahahaha. nawawala nga stress ko e.. alam mo kung bakit? natatawa ako sayo... hehehehhehe/. eto pa.. so kung hindi KD: dapat eto pa."They are prohibited from holding the ropes for support when punching" kaya lang... di nga sya sumuntok e... Patumba sya e.. hehehehehe. wait.... meron pa! hahahahha. san sya pupunta sa corner ni Pacman? hahahahaha. Quote Link to comment
denizgonzalez Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 hahahaha. WRONG! that is not the rule! tignan mo yung Vasquez and Marquez fight!!!! sus.. eto panoorin mo!!! 3:28 time ng YOUTUBE! wag mo na depensahan... talo na e... kita mo binilangan si Marquez!!!! hindi bumagsak humawak lang sa Rope!!! meron ngang pagkakataon na binibilangan ng referee kahit nga nakatayo pa e. kapag nakikita ng referee na unoncious na halos ung boxer, biniblangan nya kahit nakatayo in that fight the the referee's decision was to call it a down because maybe he saw marquez jst trying to stay up but has no legs at all in pacman vs marquez, ung .gif mo po hehe. marquez ddnt meet the canvas, he used the ropes to stay up. and the ref decides not to call it a down because he saw that marquez is still concious and still has legs Quote Link to comment
djrs Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 it was a pro boxing fight so of course i scored it that way, do u know donaire? hes a pro boxer too, actually a IBF/IBO champion, and he scored the fight having marquez winning by 1 point lol hahahahaha. WRONG nanaman! alam ko na kung bakit... SOLAR sports pinanood mo.. hahahahaha. oo kilala ko si donaire... what a question! pabor ka din pala kay TRINIDAD's! hahahahaha. sorry ha.. di hamak na mas EXPERT ang mga nasa HBO-PPV... ahhahahaha. Quote Link to comment
denizgonzalez Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 hahahahaha. WRONG nanaman! alam ko na kung bakit... SOLAR sports pinanood mo.. hahahahaha. oo kilala ko si donaire... what a question! pabor ka din pala kay TRINIDAD's! hahahahaha. sorry ha.. di hamak na mas EXPERT ang mga nasa HBO-PPV... ahhahahaha.oh okay if thats what u think lol =) jst remembered my motto "dont argue with an idiot,cuz he will bring u down to hes level and beat u down with experince" ^^ but dont worry ill still reply if ur posts are still sensble enough ^^ Quote Link to comment
denizgonzalez Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 hahahahaha. nawawala nga stress ko e.. alam mo kung bakit? natatawa ako sayo... hehehehhehe/. eto pa.. so kung hindi KD: dapat eto pa."They are prohibited from holding the ropes for support when punching" kaya lang... di nga sya sumuntok e... Patumba sya e.. hehehehehe. wait.... meron pa! hahahahha. san sya pupunta sa corner ni Pacman? hahahahaha.hm.. u said it urself "They ar prohibited from holding the ropes for support when punching" but they are allowd to hold the ropes to stay up after taking a punch, and holding the ropes while going down is not a knock down =) Quote Link to comment
djrs Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 oh okay if thats what u think lol =) jst remembered my motto "dont argue with an idiot,cuz he will bring u down to hes level and beat u down with experince" ^^ but dont worry ill still reply if ur posts are still sensble enough ^^ mas wala ngang sense sinasabi mo e... sus. magbasa ka nga.. wag puro si donaire at si at si TRINIDAD's ang pakinggan mo... yung mga nagbabasa. check nyo mga post ko sa 164... tignan nyo kung sino ang nagmamarunong samin. hahahahaha. Quote Link to comment
djrs Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 hm.. u said it urself "They ar prohibited from holding the ropes for support when punching" but they are allowd to hold the ropes to stay up after taking a punch, and holding the ropes while going down is not a knock down =) WRONG ka nanaman FEELING BOXING GOD.. bawal humawak pag pabagsak na... hahahahaha. daldal ka ng daldal! panoorin mo kasi! pabagsak na sya! napanood mo ba yung Vasquez Marquez 3? eto panoorin mo ulit! humawak sa ROPE! dis oriented ang kapatid ni marquez!!! binilangan ng Referee!!! pabagsak na... @FRIGHT, sino ngayon ang NAGMAMARUNONG satin? oo sige tawagin mo nako na idiot.. e ano tawag sayo mas mababa pa sa IDIOT? ahahahahaha. http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5531/pac2oz1.gif Quote Link to comment
uaeboy25 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) anyway i respect the judge rather than donaire. why?the judge is closer than donaire. they watch a lot of boxing matches. they are judge for boxing long time ago even donaire(the commentator) is not yet even born. they are reliable and if they are not reliable they will not be choosen by any sunctioning bodies. they are way much better in scoring than any one of us. Edited March 18, 2008 by uaeboy25 Quote Link to comment
denizgonzalez Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) yes thats what i can say, lets just respect the decision. thats what i said in this forums way back page 154 i think. i jst say that i had marquez winning by 1 point and an angry pacman fan came flaming me ^^ anyway @djrsuulitin ko po, nasa ref ang decision kung tatawagin nyang down ang paghawak sa ropes while going down or hindi. minsan nga kahit hindi humawak sa ropes e, kahit nakatayo pa binibilangan nang down. kc alam ng ref na unconcious na ung fighter. and nope, nd po puro si donaire at trinidad ang pinapakinggan ko. i made my score card on my own, and narinig ko nlng na pareho pala kami ng score card ni donaire. im jst saying that even donaire, a champion scored it for maquez leading by 1 point. to show that even some experts say that marquez won, not just me ^^ and yeah i also respect the side that says that pacman won because as i said, over and over again. we cant be certain, even the judges. because it is really close. decision goes to pacman and thats the end. why cant we all jst say that both men won? i dont even know why are u so mad at me, when i've just stated my opinion lol anyway heres my scorecard. just want to show it, not to make anymore pacman fan mad. lol 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Pac 9 9 10 10 9 9 9 9 10 10 10 9 Mar 10 10 8 9 10 10 10 10 9 9 9 10 again i respect the decision that pacman won. i think they both won cuz they showed alot of heart, determiination and will to win. and a very close fight that others find it wothy to risk their blood pressure getting high for lol and im happy that pacman won cuz im a pacman fan too. but dnt group me with the biased ones =) Edited March 18, 2008 by Fright Quote Link to comment
uaeboy25 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 ang problem kasi gusto nating lahat marinig tayo. though mali ang reaction ng iba. ive recieved some post, ive read their blogs. merong sinabi na robbed daw ang titulo ni marquez. ive even explain it to him one by one how pacman win. the truth hindi nya kasalanan yun although mali ang ginawa nya. imagine napost nya yun sa blog nya at kinukwestyon nya ang panalo ni pacman, filipino sya. its a social culture na ng pinoy. that guy just tried to be bibo. tapos sumagot sya sa reply ko na aunofficial at inamin nya na ang scoring nya based sa judgment nya. may god i accept his opinion pero may responsibility tayo sa posting. if we post based on our opinion accept natin ang opinion ng iba sa napost natin. nakakahiya ang blog nya kasi hindi bilang kababayan natin si pacquiao. pero mahirap pagbintangan na nandaya si pacman in the 1st place from round 1-12 wala akong nakitang pandaraya sa side ni pacman. wag na nating ipilit na nanalo si marquez. if he is the real winner dapat tinapatan nya ang laro ni pacman. staying from round 1-12 is not a convincing victory if marquez won. nireplay nya lang ang laro ni barrera-pacquiao 2. Quote Link to comment
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