anton7270me Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 baka ploy lang ni manny para umiwas sa laban. tutal he has an upcoming movie with Sylvester Stallone. what more could he ask for? Umiwas sa laban? Pre naman para kang nagtatampo nyan sa bigas at ang baba naman ng tingen mo sa kalahe mo. :thumbsdownsmiley: Nagpapalake lang siguro ng bentahe - natural naman yan + Hype factor pa ..... in the end tuloy yan kase marami na ding schedule. Lowest $10M din sa dito kung sakali man 50/50 - ......... sa tingen ko 55/45 payag na yan! :hypocritesmiley: Bukas or ngayon yata ang deadline ni PAC pra magdecide. Goodluck !!! :evil: Quote Link to comment
o0onapstero0o Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Kahit promoter si Arum at boxer si Manny may say parin ang BOXER.... wala ka na magagawa dun dahil alam na ni Manny ang Business sa Boxing... Hindi naman si Arum ang Mabubugbog e.... saka kahit sinabi ni manny na he is just the boxer.. sa match making lang yun or sa pag hanap ng kalaban para kay arum... pero sa negotiation ng bayaran wala sinabi si MP na bahala na si ARUM dun... ang linaw na nga ng sinabi ni MP BAHALA NA SI ARUM kung sino makakalaban pero... walang sinabi si manny na BAHALA na si ARUM kung ano magiging hatian.. ehhehehe. so you mean hindi man lng siya nasabihan ni Arum na ok na siya for the 50-50 split sa purse? sabi mo nga alam ni PacMan ang business sa boxing pero bakit huli na ata yung mga demands niya kung kelan ilalatag na lng yung contract tska siya nagbigay ng mga demands niya... napaka unprofessional nman ata yun. OK na yung promoter mo tpos hindi pa pala OK sau. Bkit kaya hindi na lng sya magtayo ng sarili niyang promotions tutal hindi na nman pla niya kelangan si Arum. and besides, Arum dont decide kung sino makakalaban niya... kasama din siya sa pag decide nun. Quote Link to comment
djrs Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 so you mean hindi man lng siya nasabihan ni Arum na ok na siya for the 50-50 split sa purse? sabi mo nga alam ni PacMan ang business sa boxing pero bakit huli na ata yung mga demands niya kung kelan ilalatag na lng yung contract tska siya nagbigay ng mga demands niya... napaka unprofessional nman ata yun. OK na yung promoter mo tpos hindi pa pala OK sau. Bkit kaya hindi na lng sya magtayo ng sarili niyang promotions tutal hindi na nman pla niya kelangan si Arum. and besides, Arum dont decide kung sino makakalaban niya... kasama din siya sa pag decide nun. unprofessional? may pinirmahan na ba? hehehehe. ikaw na din nag sabi kasama din si pacman sa pag decide... hehehehehe.... relax ka lang di karin naman kikita e... hindi porke mas gusto ni pacman na sya mas mataas sa hatian unprofessional na sya.. garapal na sya.. dapat lang kay manny yan na mas mataas naman sya... dahil mas kilala si manny kesa kay hatton.... punta ka sa asia mag survey ka check mo kung sino mas sikat sa dalawa... punta ka sa america! at australia.. mas sikat si manny.. sa endorsement palang nya sa nike... sya nasa taas ngayon kaya dapat lang... sa oscar vs. pacman mas mataas kay oscar.. pero sino nanalo? si pacman... hehehehhe. sino mas malaki kinita? si Oscar! why? kasi mas sikat si oscar... at money maker talaga... syempre di ka magiging sikat sa boxing kung di ka magaling. Quote Link to comment
jjpaler Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Pacquiao is being advised by his lawyer, Franklin Gacal, who Roach refuses to speak to. “Bad guy,” Roach said. Gacal was quoted in the Filipino press as saying a 50-50 split is unfair to Pacquiao, who is coming off a monumental knockout of Oscar De La Hoya on Dec. 6 in Las Vegas. we're really talking of money here,com'on daddy roach show'em what u got. Quote Link to comment
wizard23 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Umiwas sa laban? Pre naman para kang nagtatampo nyan sa bigas at ang baba naman ng tingen mo sa kalahe mo. :thumbsdownsmiley: Nagpapalake lang siguro ng bentahe - natural naman yan + Hype factor pa ..... in the end tuloy yan kase marami na ding schedule. Lowest $10M din sa dito kung sakali man 50/50 - ......... sa tingen ko 55/45 payag na yan! :hypocritesmiley: Bukas or ngayon yata ang deadline ni PAC pra magdecide. Goodluck !!! :evil: siempre vacation mode si pacman. pwede syang tinatamad na and just enjoy his wealth. yun din naman ang gusto ng family nya, na matikman nya ang narating nyang success. baka mamaya, isang tama lang sa ulo ni pacman, ma damage pa ang utak nya. that's just one side of the coin. di ko naman sinasabing baka natatakot si pacman lumaban ke hatton. alam ko naman di sya aatrasan ni pacman. Quote Link to comment
dragonei Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Ok guys, Come on strategy yan. Syempre di ka naman papayag sa unang offer. Magpapahard to get ka muna ng konti para tumaas ng konti ang figures. Kung baga sa tawaran siyempre kalahati from the original price itatawad mo then eventually you will meet half-way. Lets evaluate this objectively and dispassionately, 3 buwan kang nakadiet, di pwede sex, papandayin mo katawan mo sa training, tapos papabugbug ka pa, syempre naman kung pwede mo ihirit na mas malaki kitain mo di mo ba gagawin yun? Boxing is business too. Kaya nga noon ko pa sinasabi honor of a country has got nothing to do with this. It ain't exactly the olympics. Its entertainment. Manny is the star here, me karapatan naman siya magpresyo di ba sa hirap ng inabot nya para marating status nya. tsakadoesnt matter kung 40% lang makuha ni Hatton, Im sure it will be more lucrative for him than his last fight. Bob Arum is a veteran promoter, he should know how to handle this, we will leave that to him. Pero sa huli syempre si manny pa din magbibigay ng desisyon kung sino kakalabanin nya, di ang promoter nya o ang abugado nya. All they can do is make the deals for him. ========== But on the flip side huwag din sana maging masyadong sellout yung campo ni Manny. Kasi baka matulad siya kay Winky Wright na hangang ngayon walang kalaban na makuha dahil naginarte sa presyo. But then again Wright was not the pound for pound king at that time. So sa huli, matuloy man o hindi ang laban, hindi si Manny me kasalanan nito kundi yung mga negotiators nya. Syempre trabaho nila na siguraduhing maganda kikitain ni manny and to advice him about it. Pero the way I see it, matutuloy din laban, negotiating tactics lang ito. I just hope that manny's negotiators know what they are doing Quote Link to comment
photographer Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 People, its business strategy, that's all.....yung hatian. Give and take yan. Demanding more of the pie does not mean unprofessional na yung athlete. Syempre, aminin din natin, pera pa rin yan. Sayang din kapag madehado sa hatian. Its total business and we should all know the ins and outs of boxing negotiations. Now, kanina 11am, word came out from the Hatton camp that there was not negotiation breakdown. no truth to the rumours. So, that's it, the first one blinks.........you know what. No need to talk more. Basta both camps are just psyching each other kung sino ang unang kakalabit. Business is business and no talk about unprofessionalism when we talk of business. Now about Bernabe Concepcion......................................hehehe Quote Link to comment
Gideon Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 For me, medyo wala ng sense of HONOR ang Boxing... "PERA PERA nalang" Sana bumalik yung sense na "kakalabanin ko ito dahil sya next kong kakalabanin", hindi yung "kakalabanin ko ito dahil kahit talo ako malaki ang kikitain ko" Yung sharing ng profits talagang grabe na, hindi pa panalo eh malaki na ang share, paano kung matalo??? Malaki pa din ba??? Quote Link to comment
wizard23 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 For me, medyo wala ng sense of HONOR ang Boxing... "PERA PERA nalang" Sana bumalik yung sense na "kakalabanin ko ito dahil sya next kong kakalabanin", hindi yung "kakalabanin ko ito dahil kahit talo ako malaki ang kikitain ko" Yung sharing ng profits talagang grabe na, hindi pa panalo eh malaki na ang share, paano kung matalo??? Malaki pa din ba??? good point. dapat ang usapan, whoever wins gets the bigger pie para talagang exciting ang laban kasi nga you're fighting for the bigger prize. Quote Link to comment
bubuy Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 ============================================================================== Di naman. He's the world's pound for pound boxing king, so he has the right to bid sa hatian. Hatton was defeated by Mayweather so his chips are down na. Manny has beaten them, practically, all na. In reality, its still business and, parang employee sa isang opisina, you know your worth, why not ask for additional pay? Kundi yung sweldo mo, with all your worthiness, magiging kasing (50-50) pareho lang ng lowly, incompetent employee. The higher one assume his status, the higher siyempre his share of the pie.i know. you just chose to see my statement as half empty instead of half full. Quote Link to comment
Gideon Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 good point. dapat ang usapan, whoever wins gets the bigger pie para talagang exciting ang laban kasi nga you're fighting for the bigger prize. Yeah, tapos ngayon mukhang hindi na matutuloy yung laban nya with Hatton, dahil sa profit sharing... Talagang pera na lang ang habol, kahit matalo panalo pa din... Quote Link to comment
o0onapstero0o Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 unprofessional? may pinirmahan na ba? hehehehe. ikaw na din nag sabi kasama din si pacman sa pag decide... hehehehehe.... relax ka lang di karin naman kikita e... hindi porke mas gusto ni pacman na sya mas mataas sa hatian unprofessional na sya.. garapal na sya.. dapat lang kay manny yan na mas mataas naman sya... dahil mas kilala si manny kesa kay hatton.... punta ka sa asia mag survey ka check mo kung sino mas sikat sa dalawa... punta ka sa america! at australia.. mas sikat si manny.. sa endorsement palang nya sa nike... sya nasa taas ngayon kaya dapat lang... sa oscar vs. pacman mas mataas kay oscar.. pero sino nanalo? si pacman... hehehehhe. sino mas malaki kinita? si Oscar! why? kasi mas sikat si oscar... at money maker talaga... syempre di ka magiging sikat sa boxing kung di ka magaling. hindi pa ata tapos yung laban nila ni ODLH may usap-usapan na na si Hitman ang next in line for him... he's unprofessional kasi pumayag na yung promoter niya tpos may mga demands pa pala siya... in the first place, kung maayos ang usapan nila ng promoter niya hindi mangyayari lhat ng ito... wala bang history si PacMan sa pagiging unprofessional? It's not about who's the popular one. it's about making a statement na kahit sino iharap sa knya eh lalabanan niya... 65-35 is just too much. (IMO atleast) it can only show how greedy PacMan had become throughout the years niya sa boxing... maybe it's because of the election is fast approaching. Quote Link to comment
jerzz Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Team Pacquiao may abandon Hatton fight January 14, 2009 03:02:00Cedelf P. Tupas Philippine Daily Inquirer MANILA, Philippines—The impasse over the sharing of the fight purse has put the May 2 Manny Pacquiao-Ricky Hatton showdown in Las Vegas in jeopardy. The possibility of a cancellation surfaced Monday, after Pacquiao’s lawyer, Franklin Gacal, hinted that they will look for another opponent if the Filipino hero fails to get a 60 percent share for the fight. The Hatton camp remains adamant of a 50-50 split, which it had verbally agreed to with Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank. Gacal said Arum is aware of Pacquiao’s opposition to the terms. “We have informed Bob Arum that we are not signing the contract,” Gacal said in an interview with ABS-CBN. “Manny is not content with what was laid on the table. If the figures won’t move, we will look for another [challenger].” Pacquiao is coming off the biggest victory of his career—an eighth-round technical knockout of Oscar De La Hoya, the sport’s biggest draw, last Dec. 6. In giving his blessing to a 50-50 split, Arum attributed Hatton’s huge British fan following which he said would contribute heavily to fight revenues. “We might do a million homes on pay-per-view in England,” Arum said. “You have to give Hatton some credit for what he brings to the table.” “We already have a verbal agreement from Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum that it would be 50-50 split for the contest,” Hatton’s lawyer, Gareth Williams told the British newspaper Daily Telegraph. The purse stalemate isn’t the first time a snag has hit the 140-lb battle. Hatton’s camp had earlier insisted on holding the fight at London’s Wembley Stadium. Quote Link to comment
jerzz Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) Recent report Galit na si Arum at Roach sa mga bumubulong kay Pacquiao, 50-50 daw or No Fight. Napahiya na si Arum And to make it even more difficult for the parties involved to find a win-win solution, Top Rank chief Bob Arum has told Pacquiao’s lawyer, Franklin Gacal, that he can’t do anything more to change the 50-50 sharing scheme that was imposed by Hatton and Golden Boy Promotions (GBP). "He (Arum) can’t move the figures," Gacal said yesterday after a long-distance conversation with the Hall of Fame promoter. Edited January 14, 2009 by jerzz Quote Link to comment
dragonei Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 ^^^^ Ganito kasi Yan. Si Pacquiao talagang gusto naman nya kalabanin si Hatton. So trabaho ngayon ng promoter nya at mga negotiators to get the fight. Sila gagawa ng deals para matuloy laban na gusto ni Manny. Syempre trabaho din ng mga negotiators nya to look after the best interest of their fighter. Nakita nila di fair yung hatian. Natural bibigyan nila ng abiso si manny tungkol dyan. And manny has to take their word for it, thats what they are paid to do naman. To give good advices to him so he can make informed decisions. Pag Ok na ka manny eh di Go. Ngayon pag pumalpak itong deal na ito. Isa lang ibig sabihin nyan. Palpak yung negotiating tactics ni Gacal, o kaya naman manny has been given a bad advice. In either way hindi kasalanan yan ni Manny. Kasalanan yan ng mga tatanga tangang adviser who can't negotiate properly. In principle tama lang naman na mas malaki shares ni Pacquaio kasi mas sikat naman talaga siya kay hatton. Para sa akin hindi issue yung hatian. Ang malaking tanong dito, tama ba yung negotiations na ginagawa and are they really giving pacquiao a good advice on this one. As of this point its too early to tell. Malalaman lang natin sa kahihinatnan ng deal na ito. Kung tutuusin maraming boxer ang nasisira dahil palpak yung management team. Like for instance si Winky Wright, hangang ngayon di makakuha ng laban. Or dito na lang sa atin, si Boom Boom Bautista. Magaling sana yung tao kaso mali ang training camp na pinasukan, at lalong maling mali na sinabak agad siya sa isang kagaya ni Ponce de Leon. Now I am worried because this was not the first time Manny has been given an ill advise. Noong 2 contracts napirmahan nya about his promoter, ang sabay turo siya sa abugado nya na me kasalanan. Which is totoo naman, kaya ka nga binabayaran para aralin mga kontrata pinapasok ng kliente mo. Ngayon if this is the same lawyer who will f#&k up this deal again, I just hope manny will have the good decency to fire his ass, or better yet give him a hook-uppercut combo. But lets pray maayos naman nila ang gusot na ito. The most important thing is talaga naman na si Hatton ang gusto kalabanin ni Manny. GO PACMAN!!! Quote Link to comment
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