Megaeltati

Ginebra and BGK are sister teams but among Ginebra's opponents, I like it best when Ginebra and SMB collide. The sisters grim.

Aren't they one and the same? O baka Baranggay Gawad Kalinga ang tinutukoy mo

O high blood ka na naman ... joke lang. Alam ko naman TYPO. Kailan ka ba nagkamali.

matalo't manalo...Gin KINGS tayo!!!

Makitid ka rin magisip ano po? Sige, hintayin natin ang sagot muna ni Eljuego sa akin tapos sasagutin kita. Pero pakita mo muna sa akin na sinabi kong hindi pwedeng gamitin ni Toroman ang Twin Tower combi.

Sigurado ko ba na hindi puedeng gamitin ang twin tower combo ni Toroman? Do you have the playbook of Toroman to prove it? Magpakita ka ngayon ng evidence. Nagpakita ka lang ng isa, palakpak tenga ka na.

 

Moreover, pakita mo din ang evidence mo kay AVO. Hindi mo pa napapakita yun. Puro ka satsat, nakaisa ka lang tuwang tuwa ka na.

 

 

 

Do you have the logbook of Toroman to say that Slaughter wasn't given ample playing time? Show me. Or wala ka naman maipakita?

 

 

You said that Slaughter isn't being given playing time right? So I gave you a twin tower line-up scenario to show you that Slaughter can be given ample playing time. What's wrong with my analysis? Masasagot mo nga ba tong tanong na to?

 

 

 

Show me the post wherein, as you are alleging, I'm adamant about sending pros instead of a pure amateur squad? Talagang peithe na peithe ang spelling ah "amature"

 

Inverbrass, mawalang galang lang po, bagong poster ka lang so wag ka nang makisawsaw. Yun mga post mo naman ay umuulit lang sa sinasabi ni Eljuego. So backread ka na lang.

Tutal si Eljuego naman ang nagbanggit ng Twin Tower scenario na ito magusap na lang kayong dalawa. Ang tanong mo ay tanong ko rin sa kanya. Sa katunayan hanggang ngayon hinihintay ko pa rin ang paliwanag at patunay niya na ginawa talaga (or at least may plano talagang gawin ) ni Toroman ang kanyang pinagsasabi.

Tsk tsk tsk. Fair weather fan, use your common sense. I already told you and I don't need to repeat what I said unless of course you're obtuse. That's amante's opinion. I really don't give a hoot about what your idol amante thinks of yours truly. Form your own opinion and not recycle what amante said. Hey, I'm not forcing you to believe my "common sense" justification. I already explained it and if you don't wanna believe it, go ahead. I'm not coercing you to believe me. Naexcite ka lang kasi first time mong magpakita ng article.

Talagang parang nanalo sa lotto ang reaction mo. Palakpak tenga ba fair weather fan. I guess that post saved your hide. It took you a couple of days to finally find proof.

Naks! Palakpak tenga si peithe. Ngayon lang kasi nakapakita ng evidence. I give you credit for that. Sigurado ka bang hindi ginamit or maaring gamiting ang twin tower line-up ni Toroman?

Inverbrass este Eljuego, see the highlighted words. What a co-incidence ano po???

Ikaw ang nagsabing pwedeng gamitin ang twin tower combi, so prove mo naman. WALK the TALK. Nagpakita na ako e. Ayaw mo kasi ng usaping common sense di ba? Asan na? Wala ka bang time stamp na picture kung wala sa iyo ang playbook ni Toroman na sinasabi mo?

Hirap sayo puro ka satsat at pambabatikos hindi mo naman kayang gawin ang hinihingi mo sa iba. So ano mukhang another "WHAT IF" scenario na naman ito from the MASTER WHAT IF.

@LAUNCHPAD, good observation. I hope the guy can make a sensible reply to every point you raised.

 

 

We're talking about presenting of FACTS and all you can give me is pure speculation. Can you specifically show an example wherein Toroman used the twin tower combi wherein Greg's playing time increase. Mukhang wala ata Sige kahit playbook na lang ni Toroman labas mo basta nakasulat un name nila Greg at Marcus sa line-up at sinulat kung ilang minutes ang playing time ok na rin

 

 

 

Tsk tsk tsk. Fair weather fan, use your common sense. I already told you and I don't need to repeat what I said unless of course you're obtuse. That's amante's opinion. I really don't give a hoot about what your idol amante thinks of yours truly. Form your own opinion and not recycle what amante said. Hey, I'm not forcing you to believe my "common sense" justification. I already explained it and if you don't wanna believe it, go ahead. I'm not coercing you to believe me. Naexcite ka lang kasi first time mong magpakita ng article.

 

Mang(mang)Eljuego pareho po ba ang common sense sa FACTS? Tingnan mo anong hinihingi sa iyo at sa sinasagot mo. Off tangent ka. We're trying to WALK THE TALK here right???

Simple lang ... isang tanong isang sagot. FACTS ba yan? Prove mo naman na talagang ginamit o maaring gamitin ni Toroman yang twin tower combination na yan at humaba ang playing time ni Greggy boy.

 

pinaglalaro naman pala si gregorio akala ko sa nabasa ko last time bangko sya

 

Si Gregorio Mangangatay ba yan? He had 2 DNP-Coach Decision against Taipei and the quarter final game against S. Korea. I won't be surprise to hear someone saying Toroman is just holding him off probably for the much bigger game against China, the eventual champion.

Sandali, e wala na nga si Marcus bakit nagkaka DNP pa siya. Anong tingin mo rito Eljuego?

Wow! Congrats! Finally, I thought asking you for proof would be futile. Nahirapan ka ba hanapin kaya ngayon ka lang nagpost nito? Nakakita lang ng kaunaunahang reference, masyado ng excited. To answer your question peithe, when Toroman uses a twin tower line-up against taller teams, he would obviously give Slaughter more playing time to match-up with the bigs of taller teams, hence, the increase in playing time. Common sense. Meron ka ba nun?

 

By the way, bago ka magsabi ng mangmang sa akin, ayusin mo muna yung grammar mo, spelling mo, at reasoning mo. Moreover, sagutin mo din mga unanswered questions ko sayo sa NBA thread na hindi mo madefend.

 

 

 

 

Well as always naman ... I've shown I can walk the talk!!! The same can't be said of you.

We're talking about presenting of FACTS and all you can give me is pure speculation. Can you specifically show an example wherein Toroman used the twin tower combi wherein Greg's playing time increase. Mukhang wala ata Sige kahit playbook na lang ni Toroman labas mo basta nakasulat un name nila Greg at Marcus sa line-up at sinulat kung ilang minutes ang playing time ok na rin

Ang alam ko pag ikaw bumanat bawal un justification via common sense and now you expect me to believe also your common sense justification?

Ok lang maging mahina sa grammar wag lang maging mangmang. Worst, maging mangmang na nagdudunungdunungan as per Sir Amante. Bago kita sagutin ulit ako muna sagutin mo...forum shopping ka lang kasi pero hindi mo naman maipakita ang FACTS mo dito.

Tama na satsat ha uulitin mo lang naman sinabi mo na walang katuturan kasi hindi naman FACTS un.

Pards, ganito lang yan ... IF Fajardo plays for SG, it MIGHT lead to an improved SG team which then MIGHT lead to more SG wins which MIGHT lead to championship contention. IF SG becomes championship contenders, it MIGHT result to more advertising mileage for Smart/PLDT which MIGHT translate to improved profitability for the company. Profitable local companies SHOULD then lead to the "promotion and attainment of economic security".

 

Pasado ba sir?

 

 

nahilo ako sir, pa explain kaya natin kay eljuego according to the gosple of St Frankie. expert yan sa lahat ng usapin e. very opinionated without substance.

First of all, you haven't showed any iota of evidence pertaining to Slaughter not having ample playing time. Pakita mo nga yung sinasabi mo. May logbook ka ba ni Toroman or nainterview mo ba si Toroman na hindi nabibigyan si Slaughter ng ample playing time? The fact that you can't show any evidence on Slaughter's alleged "not getting ample playing time" is enough proof that mali ang sinasabi mo. Sentido common peithe. Haha! Teka, may sinasabi ka pala na adamant ako sa pag padala ng pros instead of amatures este amateurs pala. Hinihintay ko yung alleged post ko na yun. San na?

 

Do I have to repeat myself again fair weather fan? I would give much more credence to Frankie Lim, a seasoned veteran of basketball wars than a fair weather fan with a lot of alternicks who posts things without anything to back up his claim. Again, I suggest you rest your case rather than clowning around.

First I was really wondering why you don't have the common sense to determine what I'm talking about. Thanks to Sir Amante, now I know mangmang ka pala. That's why you want to be spoon fed. I should have know earlier as you gave yourself away when you claim you just took Frankie's word for it (regarding AVO).

So to satisfy your query ... here's the stats of Greg during the last Asian Games http://www.asia-basket.com/player.asp?Cntry=PHI&PlayerID=164679

As you can see he only average less than 12 min of playing time and played sparingly when we face tough opponents like Iran and Japan but his minutes went up on games wherein we've won by a mile.

I guess I've proved I can walk my talk. I'm no Toroman's logbook keeper but there are other ways to determine that.

Now its your time to show you can too. Un hindi lang dakdak ng dakdak pero mangmang naman pala ... can you show pwede ngang tumaas un playing time ni Greg if Toroman opted for a twin tower combi? Tama na ang dakdak ... go straight to the point and prove your case now!!! I GUESS YOU'RE THE ONE CLOWNING AROUND HERE AFTER ALL

Yeah right ... satsat ka ng satsat about walk the talk and you can't even show ur claim na the twin tower combi could really happen.

Ur the accuser right so the burden of proof is with you. Patunayan mong mali ang sinasabi ko. Knowing you kung kaya mong patunayan ginawa mo na un matagal na.

Well at least I rely on what I see before I made an opinion unlike some other genius guy who just seconded an opinion of some St. Frankie without validating what he said. Pag tinanong mo all he could say is "I trust him kasi" ... how cheezy!!!

Intindihin mo din ang post ko with emphasis on the phrase "even with Douthit around". Kaya nga pakita mo dito sa thread yung pinagsasabi mong hindi masyado binibigyan si Slaughter ng playing time. Are you in possession of Toroman's playbook? Pakita mo at hindi puro satsat lang kasi puro ka satsat lang. You talk the talk yet you can't walk the walk. Pati kay AVO wala kang mapakita. You're all talk. When asked for evidence, you suddenly hide in your rathole.

 

 

 

Wow pare ang labo mo ... obviously alam kong kasama si marcus sa usaping ito from the start. And still the same arguments? Wala pa rin pagkakaiba sa sinabi mo at sinabi ko as shown.

Did I ever claim to have Toroman's playbook? Hahaha ... I based it on what I see on their games. But you claimed it could be possible right, so maybe Toroman's playbook is with you. Kindly show it to us. It's your way too of proving you really walk the talk din right?

Did you understand what I said? Uulitin ko para maintindihan mo kasi mukang nahihirapan kang umintindi.

 

Even with Douthit around, Slaughter can still be given ample playing time if Toroman goes for a twin tower line-up.

 

Tagalugin ko peithe. Kahit nandyan si Douthit, puedeng bigyan ng ample playing time si Slaughter pag gumamit si Toroman ng twin tower line-up. Ganun ka ba nahirapan umintindi ng sinabi ko?

 

 

OO naman kung pagbabasehan ay ang sinabi mo.

 

 

Di ba ang sabi mo ..."can still be given" ample playing time, in tagalog "pwedeng bigyan". Ibig sabihin hindi pa ito nangyayari ayon yan sa pagkasabi mo. Kasi kung nangyari na yan dapat "Slaughter was (still) given ample playing time" at wala un "IF"

 

Basahin mo ulit un post ko kung saan sinagot mo ... WALA namang pagkakaiba diba sa interpretation.

Simple lang yan ... un salitang "PWEDENG BIGYAN". Ibig sabihin nun "what if" situation yan kasi you are assuming na pwedeng bigyan pero on the other hand pwede rin namang HINDI BIGYAN.

What's the assurance that mabibigyan talaga siya ng sapat na playing time samantalang salungat ito sa nakikita na natin sa kasalukuyan. Maniwala ba ako sa sinasabi mong "MAAARING MANGYARI" o sa nakikita kong NANGYAYARI?

As I said, even with Douthit around, Slaughter can still be given ample playing time if Toroman goes for a twin tower line-up or a big line-up.

Sigurado ka bang what if lang ang sinasabi ko regarding a twin tower combo of Slaughter and Douthit?

 

 

OO naman kung pagbabasehan ay ang sinabi mo.

Di ba ang sabi mo ..."can still be given" ample playing time, in tagalog "pwedeng bigyan". Ibig sabihin hindi pa ito nangyayari ayon yan sa pagkasabi mo. Kasi kung nangyari na yan dapat "Slaughter was (still) given ample playing time" at wala un "IF"

gain lot of experience and exposure for greg, Cguro naman pag hindi crucial games pinaglalaro ung mga batang players. Tulad din naman yan ng normal na team, pinaglalaro ang mga bangko pag sure win na.

There is no reason to question the strategy of toroman, kahit sinong coach lagay mo dyan ganu ang gagawin. By participatig in international competition Greg already gaine experience.

To develop you need to compete with the best. I don't think Greg would be able to gain much from playing garbage time ball as to playing "competitive ball" wherein the game is really on the line. It's like asking Greg to play with guys in the UAAP or NCAA as against the PBA. Saan sa tingin mo mas matututo si Greg ng husto.

As I said we're a basketball crazy nation so we're part to blame. We expect the team to WIN now. Any coach who is under the same challenge will obviously look for stop gap measures. That is to seek help and play the guy since what he has now is not up to the task.

Agree, but Greg is still not yet in the mold where Toroman wants him to be.

 

As for the PBA reinforcements, PBA has changed leadership only this conference, from Sonny Barrios to Chito Salud. First Barrios and Eala are not in the best of terms, meaning whatever move Eala would make for the infusion of SG to PBA would be down played by Barrios. With Eala and Salud they friends so Eala can get support anytime from the PBA

I also agree with this statement ... but this becomes a chicken and egg thing. If you don't play him that much then he probably won't develop. But if you play him then our chances of winning diminish since as you said "he's not yet in the mold where Toroman wants him to be". It's a tough choice specially if the people expects a win everytime. Obviously SG decided to go for the win or at least be competitive at the expense of giving Greg, japeth and the rest of our guys the chance to develop by gaining those playing time.

@Eljuego, obviouly you don't understand what I posted. So are you saying wala kang common sense for you not to be able to determine how much playing time Greg got by merely watching the games? If you said so (na wala kang sentido comon) then I'll spoon feed you further.

I'm just surprise that the person whose post I reacted to (Crystalyx) got my point as shown above and you can't. If you really have an opposing opinion to what I said why not line them up one by one together your supporting facts that counters my claim. So far what you can only debate with me about is this Twin tower combination scenario .... First and foremost, its a "WHAT IF" scenario. Do I believe your what if scenario or trust what I've seen Toroman doing since he handled this team. Wala na nga si Marcus pero mas malaki pa rin ang playing time ni Asi.

As I said, even with Douthit around, Slaughter can still be given ample playing time if Toroman goes for a twin tower line-up or a big line-up

I think I'll end here unless there is again something more sensible you can say. For the meantime save your commets until that "what if" situation happens. By then you can already prove your point based on FACTS.

Do you have the logbook of Toroman to say that Slaughter wasn't given ample playing time? Show me. Or wala ka naman maipakita?

 

You said that Slaughter isn't being given playing time right? So I gave you a twin tower line-up scenario to show you that Slaughter can be given ample playing time. What's wrong with my analysis? Masasagot mo nga ba tong tanong na to?

 

 

Show me the post wherein, as you are alleging, I'm adamant about sending pros instead of a pure amateur squad? Talagang peithe na peithe ang spelling ah "amature"

Sa logbook lang ba ni Toroman makukuha ang data ng playing time ni Greg? I believe there are many ways to be able to determine that don't you think. You are also a follower of SG and correct me if I'm wrong a fan of Greg as you speak highly of the guy in your post, thus am sure you know by heart the kind of minutes he gets. Nakakapanood ka naman siguro ng game ng Gilas. Is it hard to accept the fact that if there is no Marcus and Asi on the team then Greg will get more minutes than say either or both of then around? Common sense right?

Matanong ko lang, have you seen this twin tower in action or this is another personal speculation? Seems like the latter since sabi mo "can be given ample playing time" (hindi has been given ample playing time). Meaning since the time Marcus as well as the other candidates for naturalization played with Gilas, we've never seen Greg playing heavy minutes consistently. Besides don't forget what I said earlier, Toroman may have the option of playing them together, but still Greg ends up playing limited minutes.

Tell us something we don't know. You're stating the obvious and you're getting to be monotonous. What are you babbling about that Slaughter "don't have the playing time specially when Marcus is around"? Slaughter was given ample playing time in the Asian Games. In fact, he was the leading scorer in one of SG's games in the Asian Games. What makes you think Toroman doesn't/won't use a twin tower line-up with Slaughter and Douthit since you've been babbling about playing time for Slaughter?

Aside from lack of preparation, the main problem of the pros when they were still being sent to international tourneys was that they were not familiar with FIBA rules.

Tell me if Greg played more minutes than Asi during the last Asian Games ... Tell me too if Greg gets heavy playing time when Marcus is around.

According to your words, Greg got "ample" playing time in the last Asian Games. "AMPLE" is quite subjective. 25-30 min is ample playing time for a star while 5-15 is ample for a reserve. I guess Greg could have gotten "more" if Asi was not around. He'll be getting the "starter's minutes". I believe the more playing time one gets the better for his development right? And did I say Toroman won't use the twin tower combi of Greg and Marcus? That is your assumption not mine. It does not necessary mean that by saying Greg gets limited playing time when Marcus is around then Toroman won't have the option of using them together. Something is wrong in your analysis here.

I agree with you that the unfamiliarity with the FIBA rules is among the main problem of sending pros. We know there is a downside to all of these. Having said that, why are you so adamant about sending pros instead of a pure amature squad to just let them develop for their quest to qualify in the 2012 Olympics? Masyado mong pinanghinayangan ang hindi pagkasama ni Yap diba.

SG was hoping for a medal finish to make a statement that's why SG requested for PBA reinforcements and hasten the loss of Douthit.

 

Players don't just develop by playing time alone training time is also neccessary. Asi is the perfect training partner for Greg since they play the same position and Asi is one of our best veteran centers and he had been part of the past NTs.

 

It was a mix of rookies and veterans thing, the only shot is SG should have requested reinforcements a year earlier.

That is the point, because we're are a basketball crazy nation we expect a medal finish thus at the last minute the reinforcement to plug in the weakness of this team.

First and foremost, it was clear from the start that Gilas will be a "developmental team" meaning from the start the PBA have made it clear that they would not lend their players. Having that in mind, and if the officials would really think long term by just giving these kids the exposure to gain confidence needed in future battle.

I agree with you that players don't develop by playing time alone as training is also necessary. These players got ample of training but guys like Greg for example don't have the playing time specially when Marcus is around. As such, it could have been a perfect opportunity to give him the playing time needed for esposure to gain confidence. So what if we lose now so long as we're on track to win in the Fiba Olympic qualifiers.

I don't mind sending PBA players but if we intend to as you said lets decide on it earlier. In fact I still believe that the best players we have are currently playing in the PBA. But we've also known that lack of preparation/cohesiveness is one of the reasons why we didn't do well in the past. This has been addressed with the formation of Gilas wherein the objective is for these guys to train together year-round. But suddenly, you add 3 players the last minute and I believe it could have been more if the PBA would be more than willing to extend a helping hand.

One of the problem we face is that while there is a so-called development program, at the last minute our basketball officials would seek pba reinforcement to ensure competitiveness or a respectable finish. Unfortunately, that also would have an impact in the long run. Imagine Asi getting all the playing time supposedly of Greg the last tournament. We may be better with Asi playing Center for us but it also delayed the progress of Greg. He could have gained a lot of experience with those heavy minutes.

Wala ka kasing mapakita. Allegations by the poster with a lot of alternicks.

I think this will silence you down again ... Enjoy reading coz am done with you on this

Black cited Cebu’s 6-foot-9 standout Junmar Fajardo as a possible recruit, but he also hopes to have a coaching assistant in former Far Eastern U Tamaraws coach Glenn Capacio. “I think there are a lot of good players who are transitioning from the college ranks to the pros who can probably help us,” Black said at the public sports program presented by Pagcor, Shakey’s and Outlast Battery. “Maybe a guy like Fajardo can help us despite the fact that he’ll probably be getting ready for the pros at that time.” http://www.inquirer.net/sports/articles/Black-wants-wider-talent-pool-for-RP-SEA-Games-5.html

 

“I think we were more motivated in this game. Powerade has excellent players. Maybe we don’t have these kinds of players, but we played more solid as a team,” said Toroman, the man responsible for steering Iran to its first Fiba Asia title in 2007. “We hope to add more players next year.” Smart-Gilas hopes to add several marquee players from the collegiate ranks such as Rabeh Al-Hussaini and Ryan Buenafe of Ateneo, Paul Lee of University of the East, Junmar Fajardo of University of Cebu and 6’4” Fil-Am Chris Lutz of Marshall University. http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideSports.htm?f=2009/october/7/sports2.isx&d=/2009/october/7

 

 

Eto bonus ko na sayo ... comment naman ni Tim Cone http://www.sunstar.com.ph/superbalita-cebu/isports/pba-coaches-bilib-kaayo-ni-fajardo

bakit naman kita i-spoon feed? surf ka lang pards makikita mo un.

peithe, diba tinatanong mo ko tungkol kay Fajardo. Eto tanong mo. Sinagot ko lang. I don't know Fajardo which is why I told you to ask Toroman or Lim. Tsk tsk. Nalilito ka na ba sa dami ng alternicks mo?

 

 

one claimed he doesn't know Fajardo and yet dared to comment/say "ask Lim or Toroman why they're not considering him" ... kung hindi mo alam ang tungkol sa kanya, don't comment or better walk the talk by asking Lim and Toroman yourself to brief you on the issue. Ikaw ang hindi nakakaalam diba.

For the record the kid (Fajardo)was considered long before AVO. As one poster have said, ayaw lang maglaro ni Fajardo but there are some reports na ayaw siyang payagan ng school niya. Even Black have already said pwede na mag PBA si Fajardo. NOW YOU KNOW!!!

That is the problem with some guys who just read and don't know how to validate things as reported and treat is as a Bible (wherein you just have to believe).

Huh? Ikaw na mismo nagsabi na no brainer na kukunin mo ang mas matangkad na kasingtalented. What are you saying now that "I suppose you now understood na hindi gamitin example si Hakeem at Kareem since both are as talented as a Barkley?"

 

I haven't heard nor read an article on Fajardo while I read about AVO. Besides, I trust Frankie Lim's recruiting instincts. Ask Frankie Lim or Toroman why theyr'e not considering Fajardo.

Selective reading ka na naman sa sinulat ko ... just goes to show selective reasoning na naman ginagawa mo. Pero since sinabi mong you rest your case, so be it kung hindi mo naintindihan ang pinagsasabi mo sa mga sinabi ko.

Ayan na ba sinasabi ko e ... are you sure hindi nila naconsider si Fajardo or hindi mo lang nabasa kasi.

With this answer, I rest my case peithe.

GOOD ... as explained, I suppose you now understood na hindi dapat gamitin example si Hakeem at Kareem since both are as talented as a Barkley.

Well since nag-agree ka kay Lim na kunin si AVO, why not a Fajardo na lang? Dahil ba mas magaling si AVO?

Yun nga height. Sinundan ko lang naman yung sinabi mo tungkol kay Barkley at kay Bol. Can't you answer the question with a yes or no peithe? I was asking you if you'd pick Barkley over Kareem and Hakeem and not Bol over Hakeem and Kareem. Basahin mo ang post ko kasi claro naman sa post ko. Biglang aatras sa tanong kasi hindi masagot ang tanong. Diba mas matangkad din si Olajuwon at si Jabbar kay Barkley? Puro ka paligoy ligoy. Barado ka naman palibhasa.

Kung sinundan mo ang sinabi about Bol and Barkley then hindi mo dapat pinasok sa usapin si Kareem at Hakeem. But anyway, matanong ko lang bakit ba sinasabing you can't teach height? Hindi po ba dahil medyo deficient ito sa ibang bagay tulad ng skills kumpara sa isang mas maliit na player? Sa binigay mong halimbawa e masasabing patas na sa galing ang dalawang players na sina Barkley o alinman kina Kareem o Hakeem. Pag ganyan ang sitwasyon NO BRAINER siyempre un mas malaki ang kunin mo. Pero hindi sa lahat ng pagkakataon tama ang pagpili ng malaki. Si Jordan po na tinaguriang best player sa larangan ng basketball ay hindi number 1 pick dahil ang unang pumili sa panahong iyon mas ninais kumuha ng malaking player.