wolfwhistler

if you'd ask me, i love to see cases filed against GMA and her minions in court, not in the senate. ask yourself, how many cases has this administration filed in court against GMA?

 

Here's a sample of evidence . Except, as you said, because of the Anti-wire tapping law, the evidence is considered illegal.

But everybody knows about the Garci Tapes ! And there are those who will close their eyes and minds and say that this conversation never happened and say "there is NO evidence". Those who know better...know better...

"GMA: So nagmamatch?"

"Garcillano: Oho. Sa Basilan, alam nyo naman ang mga military dun eh hindi masyadong marunong kasi silang gumawa eh. Katulad ho dun sa Sulu, sa General Habacon. Pero hindi naman ho, kinausap ko na 'yung Chairman ng Board sa Sulu. Ang akin patataguin ko na muna yung EO ng Pangutaran na para hindi siya maka-testigo ho."

In the last sentence, GMA even condoned as you lawyers put it, "obstruction of justice"...

no semantics here.

the ombudsman and DOJ merely make PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATIONS, meaning, they will study/investigate whether or not the case should be filed in court.

 

normally, the DOJ, or the public prosecutors aka fiscals, will file cases in regular courts while the Ombudsman will file the case in the sandiganbayan. its is the regular court (rtc or mtc) and the Sandiganbayan that is actually a court, not the ombudsman or doj.

 

my point is simple. kung may malakas na ebidensya ang doj or ombudsman, hindi dapat tumatagal ang investigation. they should have filed it in court already. so ask yourself, WHY THE DELAY????

 

ps. on a personal note, i did not study law for 8 years. 5 years lang (had to extend 1 year for not being the brightest in class. hehe)

 

 

 

 

 

a. so, what is the lie here? she merely admitted that the bank document is authentic. remember that rowena is a mere bookeeper. utusan lang sya. hindi naman sya ang magsasabi kung lease payment o hindi and whether or not it was an advance payment for the lease. she was merely relying on what she knows. saan ka nakakita ng bookeeper na nakikialam kung papaano magbabayad ang mga boss nya?

 

b. rowena made it clear that her boss is iggy. the records are clear that mike is not a shareholder of LTA in 2001-2010, so how can mike be her boss in 2004?

 

c. if someone lies to me, i file the proper case, i will not take the law in my hands. if rowena suddenly recants her statement, do you think its still believable? would you not say she was doing it out of duress and coercion?

 

d. bondoc is an attack dog of the pnoy administration. look at his previous articles. he has always been the one taking a first crack against FG.

i cannot be envious of you at all for belonging to a much maligned group of individuals...

but thank you for enlightening me about how the legal process start and how it progresses...

"why the delay"?...i think, as i have mentioned previously, we need better prosecutors...

'fiscals' sabi mo nga...and with the change of administration, i'm hoping there will be changes

in the mindsets of quite a few of our kababayans...perhaps, in 2 or 3 years...a more responsible

citizenry would emerge ... it took gloria 9 years to turn us into what we are now...i am hoping that

in half the time, we could turn 180 degrees...

who knows ? baka mawala na ang 'utang na loob' sa kultura natin?...maybe rowena,

might NOT even consider to be a board member of PAG-IBIG next time..i think YOU are

more qualified than her...

i agree. in fact, the attack dogs are so desperate in their fishing expedition for evidence they have to detain the poor ex-bookeeper of LTA so she would sing the tune they want to hear.

 

the Pnoy administration is worsening by the day.

let's put this thing in its proper context...shall we ?

and so apparently, this is what happened....and i quote mr bondoc...

"But when confronted with a bank document the $500,000-wire transfer by LTA

Inc. to Robinson in December 2003 the accountant in Rowena had to give. Yes,

it was authentic, she said but quickly added that it was an advance payment

for the lease. She stuck to her story, although Robinson only manufactures and

never leases helicopters. The senators knew she was lying, and cited and

detained her for contempt. Aside from conspiracy with Mike, she would be charged with perjury."

Wouldnt you feel insulted, when you know someone is lying to you ?

no, the ombudsman is not a court.

its the prosecuting arm of the government against people who committed corrupt practices during their tenure as public officers.

 

at best, the ombudsman can only make administrative sanctions against some officials. but of course, there can be no administrative sanction against GMA.

 

 

the court where the ombudsman file cases is the sandiganbayan.

nagkakalokohan na yata tayo eh...

komo lawyer ka...dinadaan mo na lang ako sa semantics...

8 years kang nag aral ng law...

marami dito sa amin, nag-re-rely sa binabasa namin...

kung puwede...lang sana...paki explain nga ng sinasabi sa mga pahayagan...

when they say that 5 plunder cases has been filed or...'yet another case has been filed'...

pag sinabi bang kinasuhan si ganun or si ganire...tama bang i-assume na the case is

progressing ?...that eventually...it will reach the proper courts ?

alam mo pareho lamang naman tayong naniniwala sa presumption of innocence...

parehong lang naman ang brand demokrasya na pinaniniwalaan natin...

alam ko galit ka sa trial by publicity...pero as i have mentioned before...hindi ka

puwedeng mamili ng isang aspeto lang ng demokrasya...you have to take the whole thing...

hook, line and sinker...one of the things that i do NOT like sa mga ginagawa ng mga arroyo

is they are STONEWALLING and doing everything within their power (money) to evade ang mga tanong

ng mga FILIPINO...so, bakit ?...bakit kelangang bayaran ang mga congressman para hindi

matuloy ang impeachment process?...bakit kelangan si IGGY ang sumalo ng kaso ni JOSE PIDAL...

tapos ngayon, si IGGY na naman ang nag-lease ng mga helicopter...mabuti pa nga si MIKEY at asawa niya...

...mas matapang they submittted themselves to the BIR ... bakit kailangan ni Bunye na mag-i have 2 discs...

tapos, yung 'i'm sorry' ni GMA ?...ang daming tanong...pero walang sagot...ang laging sagot..."magkita na

lang tayo sa korte"... eh alam naman natin sa korte, ang ebidensiya laging nakaturo sa mga small time na

crooks na binayaran...like what happened dun sa palawan...those in power, those who have money....they

know how to get around the law...with high paid lawyers, the rich and powerful use the law to their advantage....

di ba sabi mo nga...nagbayad ng 10 million yung kliyente mo para hindi matawag

sa senate hearing - that's one way of getting around the law...

..if there's anything that we could agree on...totoong marami ang incompetent sa administrasyon ni Pnoy...pero that's

an improvement sa panahon ni GMA...talamak ang incompetent at corrupt sa panahon ni Gloria...

bottomline, NO CASE HAS BEEN FILED IN COURT.

would a lawyer like you consider the ombudsman a court ?

"Yet another case was filed against Arroyo on Tuesday at the Office of the Ombudsman over the alleged misuse of P325 million in intelligence funds of the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office (PCSO) during her term.

Also named in the complaint for plunder, malversation of public funds and violation of the antigraft law were former Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita, former Commission on Audit (COA) Chair Reynaldo Villar, former PCSO General Manager Rosario Uriarte and former PCSO Directors Sergio Valencia, Jose Taruc, Raymundo Roquero, Ma. Fatima Valdes and Manuel Morato."

if you'd ask me, i love to see cases filed against GMA and her minions in court, not in the senate. ask yourself, how many cases has this administration filed in court against GMA?

 

i did not ask myself...i went to the internet to do some research...

Five (5) plunder cases so far...and more to come...and may i quote ?

"With the presidency behind her, Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo on Friday made an appearance at the Department of Justice (DoJ) to subscribe to a 58-page affidavit countering the plunder suit filed by former Solicitor General Frank Chavez.But this may not be her final appearance in the dock. The Chavez charge is only one of five plunder cases filed against the former President within the last year alone."

Then, there is the tax evasion charges filed against the son, Mikey who as you know, has a very interesting interview with your favorite - Monsod.

And with the resignation of Merceditas Gutierrez and assumption of a new Ombudswoman we might see more cases. Maybe you would like to volunteer as a PROSECUTOR. I think the Philippines will need a lot of excellent Prosecutors to go against highly paid Defense Lawyers ?

We will need the best prosecutors..or else, GMA and her cohorts might end up just like Imelda...and the Marcoses...back in power and enjoying their stolen billions...

Let's just hope that there are some of us who have learned from the mistakes of the past...

But in my personal opinion based on the postings here...apparently...NOT....

dapat kasi EXPOSE and DISPOSE, hindi yung puro expose lang.

then please blame the judicial branch...

corona is responsible for the disposition of cases...

the executive/legislative can only expose...

hindi naman nawala ang kurapsyon sa bagong administrasyon.

ang nakikita ko lang, puro expose sa kurapsyon ni GMA (wala pang prosecution).

smokescreen lang yun sa totoong nangyayari.

Maski naman si Pnoy will admit that hindi nawala ang corruption.

I was hoping that you will agree with me that nabawasan ng malaki,

from the Arroyo administration to Pnoy's.

One way of fighting corruption is to expose the shenanigans of the

previous administration. If the Aquino administration can show that

there will be accountability, potential thieves might think twice.

I have always asked you this but never got an answer. You are a lawyer

and thus believe in the rule of law, why would you NOT agree to the prosecution

of those who stole our money during the GMA administration. Why would you

use words like "smokescreen" or "selective prosecution" as if you are in favor

of not bringing these alleged culprits to trial. And please do NOT tell me that

there is no preponderance of evidence nor lack of witnesses against the Arroyos

and their cohorts.

how long is the chance that we will give him?

How about we give Pnoy 9 years...the same number of years given to GMA ?

GMA of course is a great leader.

absolutely...the greatest leader, ever, in phil history... she is better than marcos ....

she did in 9 years what marcos took 14 years to do...

DESTROY OUR DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS....without even declaring martial law !...

(well she tried to declare martial rule)

Hehehe! those who called for Christ's crucifixion were as gullible as the people now are.

Christ being GMA in this case ?....but of course !

recall GMA's photo ops whenever she hears mass....?

anghel na anghel ang dating....

since the SC made some decides against Pnoy, corona et al are all acused as GMA's puppies.....

 

what about if they decide in his favor? like the merci impeachment?

dahil din ba tuta sila ni GMA kaya nila pinayagan ang impeachment ni merci?

neither...

vox populi...vox dei...is more like it...

this is legally infeasible due to the anti-wiretapping law.

and it will remain illegal subject to the interpretation of a corona led supreme court....

similar to what happened to the truth commission which was shot down...

we both know that the buck stops at the supreme court...

we also know that neri was allowed to remain silent ....

because of the supreme court's interpretation of executive privilege...

and there was that flip flopping, was it twice or thrice? about chartered cities... ?

only in the philippines as you always say...

my dream, is that someday, the SC will have less justices with the 'wangwang mentality'...

and more of the 'new breed'...lawyers who can interpret law as they should be...

imagine, if you will, our supreme court headed by a louis brandeis

who believes that the right to privacy is trumped by the right of the public to know...and i quote ...

"The right to privacy does not prohibit any publication of matter which is of public or general interest"..

maybe this is the reason why watergate caused the resignation of a US president...

while the garci tapes did not...

i should keep on dreaming....

dear Noynoy,

it makes me wonder why news clippings and reports are posted in a forum like mtc...i thought to join a forum, the presumption is...we are 'informed' - have read the news, know current events and know quite a bit of history...

a forum is where discussions and point of views are shared...where arguments and counter arguments are aired...

a news report is NOT an argument...we can quote or paraphrase, even provide links, but we should avoid being a reporter here at mtc...

please, Pnoy, ban those long and rambling news reports...it is redundant and mildly irritating...as it implies that posters here are not mentally 'well equipped'...

we should start a club here at MTC...

we should call it - KEYBOARD COMMANDOS....

i think it is incumbent for any citizen to fight for his country...so the question of

'will you fight for your country'...is immaterial...the answer is "of course !"

with our backs against the wall or the idea of being cowed by conquerors

will make us angry ...take up arms, rise and fight...

there will always be benedict arnolds, quislings, vichys and makapilis...

but they will be the EXCEPTION rather that general rule...and debates and arguments

are based on the latter...

no membership fees ...

to be a keyboard commando, all one has to do is sound brave and courageous...

in your posts....drink cups and cups of that batangas coffee...insult a few MTC debaters...

and bang on your keyboards...

lets hope NOBODY signs up...?

dear Noynoy,

it would seem like we have forgotten that garci tapes which was brought

out into the open by ignacio bunye's 'i have 2 discs'....(the left and the right)

we all know that this resulted in gma saying 'i am sorry'..

a 'lapse of judgment' daw...kuno...

i think what should happen is for the courts to validate the 'garci' tapes similar

to what the US did in watergate (which for those who read history - resulted

into nixon's resignation)...garci and gma, with their voices, will tell their story...

gudani and balutan should be heard, too, why ?...because they are a different breed

of filipinos...those who would give up everything, even their jobs and pensions,

to uphold morality and decency amidst the prevailing culture of thievery impunity

and dishonesty during the gma regime...they are credible...

quite a few of us still do NOT understand that we have to start thinking differently...

we should move away from the 'wangwang culture'....if we are to progress as a

nation...and if we have to move on, those who were responsible for the excesses

of the previous administration should KNOW that CRIME does NOT pay....

if we let them get away with what they did...

similar to what happened to marcos and his cronies,

it's almost sure that there will be another group who will do it again...

it is not important who the players are...

what is important is that those responsible should

be made to answer for their misdeeds...

have we NOT learned anything from the past ??...

are we all too stupid to accept the lessons of history ?

I don't think PNOY can lay a hand on former President ESTRADA, hindi dahil tagapagtanggol niya yun eh. Hindi na p'wede - nahatulan na si Erap.

somebody must have forgotten about double jeopardy ?

or was not aware of Tanay, the conviction and the subsequent

pardon...in which case, recent history has been forgotten...

if recent history can be forgotten....

how much more the days of yore ?

if not lived...then at least, read....

when filipinos believe in accountability and good government...

mind if i join the discussion?

 

i dont think you used proper logic.

 

assuming you are correct in what you said, you failed to equate that "the philippines" is equal to "All Filipinos". of course, saying that the Philippines is corrupt means the COuntry, IN GENERAL, is corrupt. It does not necessarily mean that ALL the filipinos are corrupt.

 

 

so to say that we have an idiot for a president does not necessarily mean ALL the filipinos are idiots because THE PHILIPPINES, as a country, does not necessarily mean ALL the filipinos. the term "THE Philippines" is a mere generalization.

 

 

(i am not saying that i agree with scam that the president is an idiot, my point here is that your conclusion is not logical)

welcome to the discussion...

you have a point...about not agreeing with scam...

though, i would suppose you forgot to include my proposition which is

"IF the perception of the world was that during gloria arroyo' administration,".....

quite a very important part of the logic, wouldnt you say ?...

His not the only one, there are millions as well who did not vote for KALIDIOT. Take note that Kalidiot only got 42% of the total vote meaning

the remaining 58% are against him which are the majotiy. Of the 42% who voted for him, how any more are disgruntled with his incompetence that they

are repenting they voted for him. So that's even below 42% as of now.

 

On the replacement, Binay being vice president will automatically replace the idiot. Binay is no doubt more capable to govern than this stupid

idiot son of cory.

a very, very idiotic proposition....coming from someone who thinks the president is an idiot...

if the perception of the world was that during gloria arroyo's administration, the philippines was corrupt

because its president was corrupt...does it follow that all filipinos are idiots because of one idiot

who thinks that the person who holds the highest office of the land is an idiot...ergo the vice president

who will replace the idiot president is also an idiot ?...

if you cant follow the logic...you must admit that you are an idiot ....

if you understand the logic...then what are you ?

you must have a different definition of democracy. anyway, our country is run by laws, and not by democracy in the purest form. we are, technically, a republican country.

at any rate, the constitution is clear, the duty of the senate is to make laws, and not be the exposer of corruption, etc. while they may conduct investigations in aid of legislation, the senate seems to have more investigations than legislation.

it seems that the investigations are in aid of polictics.

is that what you really want, a country with leaders doing nothing but politicking?

for me, trasaprency is not watching the senate hearings... i personally can vouch for you that the senate hearings are designed to attack a person's credibility. the evidence there are mostly fabricated and the persons conducting the investigation are very partial.

i handled several cases in the senate hearings, talo lagi clients ko. they are in a hostile territory. pinasasama na ng mga senador, ganun din sa media. tindi pa ng backdoor politics.

we had a client wo paid a senator 10M so she wont be dragged in the investigation.

if you only know that this democracy has been bastardized by your beloved senators.

perhaps, my question would be...are your clients really innocent?... i believe that you are a good lawyer and you could compete mentally with the best senators of the land...

jose pidal did well when he was called to testify...and so did iggy arroyo...both, as you are well aware, are 'still' free men... even garci did well...

we cannot enjoy the freedom that democracy guarantees us and cherry pick what's good about the system...we can't say i love democracy because i am guaranteed free speech and yet say i do NOT like democracy because of the senate committee hearings...if i were a lawyer i cannot say 'i would only defend the innocent and to hell with those who admit guilt'...we have to take the good with the bad...

why would you admit that your client paid off a senator ?...i hope you dont get disbarred ?

finally, everything about politics is not bad...also, not all lawyers are bad....

p.s. try watching the US senate hearings and the Murdoch hearings...if we listen closely enough, we might learn that democracy/politics is the same everywhere....manila, london or washington d.c....or would you rather be in north korea ?　

maybe right now, Pnoy is still loved by the people, but the way his popularity is slipping, i dont think that love will last for 5 more years.

 

GMA started her presidency being loved by the people, remember edsa 2?

 

while it may be true that there were presidents who were less competent who led their respective countries with honestly and integrity, i dont think Pnoy will be in the same category.

 

are you asking me if i love gloria? no, i dont. in fact, i'd love to see her jailed.

 

but i think we dont need senate investigations on what GMA did. do we really need a senate investigation for the poll cheatings when it is common knowledge? can the senate declare her guilty of corruption in the PCSO?

 

the senate hearings are nothing but PR attacks against gloria, designed to make people hate her more.... nothing more than that through trial by publicity.

 

i believe GMA still is entitled to a fair trial. if there are evidence of corruption or cheating, as the case may be. FILE IT IN THE APPROPRIATE COURT. not through trial by publicity.

 

i believe it will save more time and govt resources (something Pnoy is "practicing") in prosecuting her if cases are filed in the Ombudsman or DOJ rather than in senate investigations. do you agree with me?

 

the senate hearings are part and parcel of the democratic process...

you might have a different opinion about why they are conducted but i think we should let democracy do its job...

we would have NOT learned more about the nbn-zte if not for the senate hearings...

like you, i believe GMA is entitled to a fair trial, and she might have been tried fairly

if she allowed her impeachment(s) to proceed instead of paying off her party's congressmen,

not once, not twice but three times !

the least of what could have been accomplished would be

that evidence could have been brought out in the open for us, the people, to discern...

but she suppressed the process by bribery, which should NOT be done in a democracy...

also, she used her office (by issuing orders) to supress people from testifying -

remember Gudani and Balutan, in hello garci ?...

and then, later on, Neri in the broadband deal?

maybe the point i'm trying to make is ...congressional hearings will always be a part of a democracy...

we elected senators and congressmen and they are just doing their jobs...

if a person is NOT guilty, no trial, whether by publicity or court would convict him or her...

i see nothing wrong with letting the nation participate in the democratic processes...

transparency promotes a better democracy...

note: sometimes, trial by publicity works for the accused...

remember OJ Simpson ?...or recently, Casey Anthony ?...

let us go back to the definition that you gave:

'competent' according to webster -having suitable or sufficient skill, knowledge, experience, etc., for some purpose;"

1. suitable or sufficient skill as a president - Pnoy or GMA?

2. knowledge in handling the affairs of the country - Pnoy or GMA?

3. experience in governance - Pnoy or GMA?

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about the scams of GMA compared to Pnoy, relax ka lang......

GMA was president for 9 years, and Pnoy has only survived 1 year. in a year or 2, dont be surprised if you will be hearing corruption scams in the Pnoy administration.

remember that Pnoy's popularity is still high, although it is in a downward trend. once the popularity is low enough and the 2013 elections is closing in, scams in the Pnoy administration will start coming out.

i have already conceded that arroyo had all the necessary skills and competence which she used to bring the Filipino masses down to its knees,

as was reported by an independent TCI...now, we know why there is pervasive hunger and poverty -

our taxes were re-directed to the personal bank accounts of 'competent gloria' and her 'able' assistants....

only very, very competent people can do such feats....you have won that argument...the argument of competence...

fidel castro, luis 'lula' da silva, (actor) ronald reagan, (mechanic) ramon magsaysay...

are some of the most beloved presidents who, before they became leaders,

were less 'competent' than (vice president and economist) gloria arroyo...

they led their respective countries with honesty and integrity and because of that they are loved by their people...

do you love gloria arroyo ?

i think the previous administration is more competent. yun nga lang, more corrupt (as of now) than the new administration.

'competent' according to webster -having suitable or sufficient skill, knowledge, experience, etc., for some purpose;"

i totally and absolutely agree that the Arroyo administration is 1000% more competent than the Pnoy administration in carrying out its agenda of CORRUPTION, from the highest to the lowest levels of gov't...

Arroyo should be 'commended' for her administration's competency taking the Philippines from 62nd to 134th place in its list of corrupt countries...note:(the higher the ranking, the more corrupt)

new details are now coming out ....and the following are Arroyo's most competent assistants: Carlos Garcia of the AFP , Uriarte of PCSO, Genuino of PAGCOR, the Ampatuans of Maguindanao, Jose Pidal, Abalos, Garci & Bedol of the COMELEC etc...

It is not primarily persecution and vendetta, although that's what seems to personally drive Noynoy in all his political actions.

 

His amateur showbiz government -- the people who put this clown into power-- are the ones who are really orchestrating the blame game and demolition jobs. They even have a timetable on when to release "juicy" tabloid news about alleged sins of the past admin. It's all for the entertainment of rapidly thinning numbers of gullible Noynoy supporters.

 

All these PCSO expose's are just to feed the hate campaign. But in the end, there is still no proof of anything to pin down the former president in the proper court. Chasing after the wind.

I have to agree with the "amateur showbiz government"...a concrete example, i think, would be when Erap was placed under house arrest in his Tanay property while he was tried on Court TV...He was convicted of plunder after a long drawn out trial...and then given amnesty by Arroyo...

So that our nation can perpetuate our showbiz mentality, Pnoy should do what GMA did to Erap..but, maybe, he should omit the amnesty part...

well, for one I do think he should sack ROBREDO, that guy's not doing anything......

 

i, absolutely, agree...sack them all..and while we're at it...

isama na rin natin si de lima ng DOJ, si alcala, singson, juico all all the cabinet secretaries...

gloria sacked a lot of cabinet secretaries during her administration...

she sacked gilbert teodoro for doing a good job during ondoy...

gonzalez was sacked because he is more focused on what kris aquino was doing...

nani perez was sacked because he got 2 million from IMPSA...

then there was Cito Lorenzo SACKED because of the fertilizer scam...

and then the Hyatt 10...they were all SACKED for singing 'if we hold on together'....