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dami kasi akong nabasang personal scorecard nila eh. siguro ikaw fright pang lima na. wow. sakin lang ung scorecard nyo walang kwenta. sorry hindi ako nasaktan. kaso im much more from judges scorecard. hanggang ngayon nag hihintay ako ng judge na katulad ni clements nung pacman-marquez 1 na umamin na nagkamali sya. tagal na since ng pacman marquez2 pero ni isang judge firm naging decision nila.

teka panalo pala yung marquez mo sa scorecard mo. eh ano ngayon? leave it to your own. kahit manalo si marquez sa scorecard mo hindi makikinig sayo ang sanctioning bodies. your score is nothing and its not our own bsness. sensya na. tagal ako nanahimik. im waiting for more sensible post here. tagal na pong tapos ang laban ni pacman-marquez2.

sabagay fright hindi ka nag iisa sa mtc. meron panga ginawang signature pa yung title na "peoples champ or people chump" ang galing. sinabi nyang talunan si pacman eh ano naman ang ipinanalo nung nagpost nun?

jordan and pippen- proven by their multiple champion

haha. ako din asar kay kobe bryant. ok lang kung hindi sya bilib kay mj. kaso ang hirap sa kanya bilib lang sya sa sarili "Just believed on yourself" sabi nya sa commercial nya ng addidas noon. kaso ang nakakaasar sa kanya masyadong bilib sa sarili.

do you think mananalo tayo sa ibang bansa w/o the help of these guys? sino-sino naman ang mga players na ipapadala ng pba kung gnun? actually mas ok pa nga minsan yung fil-am kahit na maliit lng allowance ng team pilipinas game pa din sila unlike other pure blooded pinoy like espino, aquino etc na ayaw sumali dhil maliit nga daw at baka ma-injured pa sila...

 

 

 

para di OT: tony dela cruz. imo, mas madaming mas magaling dito pero bkit kaya nakapasok sa team pilipinas to?

naglalaro lang ang ibang half-pinoy sa team pilipinas para sa exposure sa ibang bansa. kasi mas malaki ang chance na may mag alok ng opportunity. si manu ginobili, dirk nowitztky yao ming ang best example. eh ano kung hindi mag champion ng pilipinas ang mahalaga sikat napapanood sa ibang bansa. nagsilver medal ang team plipinas 17 years ago with out them. mas mahirap dahil mas maliliit ang pinoy. mas skilled ang players sa ngayon. natalo pa silang ng middle east country na nagkataong mas malaki lang sa kanila pero mahina ang laro. espino and aquino had given their part before although nagbronze sila at least the went home not empty handed. parang sinabi na sige may reperesentative lang kahit hindi manalo. 1 tea, over 10 players, over 5 staff and coach plane ticket and allowance na gastos. i think kung wala silang chance maglaro at makagain lang ng exposure wag na lang makipagcompete. yung makakakuha lang ng exposure ang magbenifits.

yeah lahat ng half-filipino na naglaro sa last asian games. kapal ng mukha na sapawan ang purong pinoy tapos alang medal na naiuwi. mula sa sahot hanggang sa contract mga benifis sila na ang mas malki ang nakukuha kumpara sa purong pinoy pero sila pa ang umuwing walang medal. minsan mag iisip ka baka ayaw lang nilang maitaas ang bandila ng pinas kasi nga hindi sila sure na pinoy.

the reason bakit nde ako naniniwala kay Rn. hindi dahil sa sri lnkan syan. kundi dahil lumaki at galing sya sa bansang hindi popular ang boxing. mas malawak ang kaalaman ng mga commentator ng boxing na lumaki at galing sa bansang popular ang boxing. ganun lang kasimple un.

magaling lang talagang mag comment si RN kasi commentator sya. mas ok pa ang boxing analyst. ewan ko ba kung bakit sya pinapayagang maging commentator ng mga program. halata tuloy na ang filipino eh racist sa sariling kababayan. puro na lang foreigner. mas masaklap ang racist ot its own kind. sabagay kung magiging bombay si orang sure ako hindi sya racist kasi todo tanggol sya sa kababayan nya.

nangangamoy dugo nga dito. i hope umabot na maging undercard kau sa laban ni pacman. wehehe

hindi na ako magpost dito kasi nahaluan na ng kung ano anong topic. i dont care about ronnie nataniels. kung ayaw nya may mainis sa comment nya wag syang mag commentator. trabaho nyang maging commentator trabaho nyang magresearch para next time hindi bias sa opinion nya yung masasabi nya lang.

lastly i much likely to see pacman-valero compare sa pacman-marquez 3. pag humiga nanaman si marquez sa laban sabihin nanaman nya nanalo sya. :thumbsdownsmiley: bobo na nya sa boxing pag nangyari un.

this is not the best place to pic a fight for RN. anyway Orange1 ewan ko kung may South Asian origin i think its not a right way to react calling others a moron. not unless affected ka. ehto as i said daming commentators sa pinas na ang galing mag comment, side comment, bad comment and side comment. isang bagay ang dapat malaman ng taong connected sa media. they have the right to give their own views and opinion. kaso they are subjected for all their own opinion. dati sinabi ni RN Pacman cannot win against Barrera i remember him nung unang laban ni pacman at barrera. this comment is kinontra ng 2 katabi nyang commentator. para syang pinahiya ng 2.

ang point kung may nagreact sa ginawa nya hindi mo na sya dapat ipagtanggol kung maganda ang nagawa nya bakit majority eh hindi ok si RN.

desperate housewives cannot be compare sa situation ni RN. Desperate housewives is a fictional tv series. Pero ang sinabi ni RN its his true ideas.

RN i think doesnt deserved to be hear, being Sri lankan is part of it. as i said. boxing is not popular to sri lanka. so why should i listen to this person. maybe sa cricket pwede sya magcomment. but im not intesrested with cricket anyway. lesson yan sa mga nagmamagaling. feeling bibo. yun bang akala nila dahil taga media sila pag nagbigay sila ng opinion nila walang magrereact.

pumasok na rin lang tayo sa racism issue. hindi gaanong racist ang pinoy. at hindi rin gaanong sensitive sa racism issue. at hindi nakakahiya ang situation ng racism sa pinas. yung sa desperate housewives my friend hindi masyadong naging national issue yun. compare sa india na pati si tony balir at house of commons sa uk naapektuhan. may nagsunog pa ng epegy at andaming nagwelga na sinasabi ng indian na racist attack daw ang ginawa kay shilpa ni goody. its not a racist its bullying iyakin lang ang mga taga south indian. why? kasi isa sila sa pinakaracist na lahi. why? they are racist in their own kind. may mga filipinong hindi nga racist pero racist in their own race. its much worst than any kind of racist. peoplewho believed that filipino cannot raise up and be a champion. a filipino who doesnt believed in achievement of their fellow filipino. filipino who keep on draging their own fellow country man because they felt na mayabang, or eitheir naiingit lang tayo sa taong nagiging succesfull by its own.

halimbawang naniniwala akong nanalo si marquez eh ano ngayon? bakit ko ipaglalaban si marquez im not a mexican to fight for their flag. lumalayo na tayo sa issue ang issue nanalo si pacman. hindi ba racist kung maging double standard tayo sa kababayan natin. na dahil lang ba umabot sa 12 round si marquez panalo na sya? bakit nung nakaknock down si pacman nagkataong umabot lang ng 12 rounds parang wala na syang karapatang manalo. hindi kaya tayo na mismo ang racist. kasi double standard na masyado pagdating sa kababayan natin.

if ever nag mag boxing naman si quiniton at ronnie nataniels pupusta ako kay quinito. may alam sya sa boxing. well kung mag lalaban sila sa cricket kay ronnie nataniels ako. from elementary to college part un ng Physical education sa Sri lanka.

bago tayo makinig sa commentator alamin muna natin kung credible sya. 1st of sino nga ba si ronnie nataniels? sa dami ng bad comments sa kanya credible ba sya? hindi natin pwedeng alisin ang topic ng origins ng commentator. saka hindi sa pinag iinitan si ronnie nataniels. it just happen na yung huling comment nya is napag usapan yung past history ng bad commentating jobs nya. malaking bagay ang country of origins. tanunging mo ako kung ano alam ko sa cricket hindi ako makaaksagot kasi sa bansang kinalakihan ko hindi popular ang cricket. i suggest dun tumutok si RN since sa bansang india,bangladesh, pakistan at SRI LANKA sikat ang cricket kung saan lumaki at nangaling si RN. not to late tingin ko mas bata pa sya kay larry merchant so hindi pa masama.

tanungin mo ako sino papaniwalaan ko Rn or Quinito henson piliin ko not dahil sa pabor sya kay pacman pero pilipino si quinito henson at lumaki si quinito henson na kung saan popular ang boxing. hindi racism ang tawag dun. generalization pwede pa pero hindi masama ang ganun. in general kasi ang mga sri lankan mas popular sila sa criacket kesa boxing so ano pakialam nila sa boxing. pwede silang magcomment pero lame duck ang dating since in general anong alam nila sa boxing. never nga silang narinig kung sumabak sa world championship sa boxing. kaya hindi ako nagpapakabibo sa cricket hindi ko alam eh.

as i said hindi nawawala ang racism. asa tao nayan. sa airport pag may katabi akong green card holder at tuloy tuloy lang sa terminal ok lang part yung ng nationality classes. filipino tayo US sya. Filipino si quinito, sri lankan si ronni nataniels(uulitin ko hindi popular sa kanila ang boxing). half filipino si Donair at bagito sa boxing pero ang boxing judge kasing age ni donaire ang experience nila sa boxing judging career. bakit ako maniniwala kay donaire at Ronnie nataniels???

credibility ang pinakamahalaga. speaking of credibility knocking marquez is the best and only credible things to win over him. and it happens during the round 3.

C- Shaq Oneal

PF- Dennis Rodman

Sf- Scottie Pippen

Sg- Michael Jordan

PG-Ervin Magic Johnson

hindi ako makabulls pero the reason is about effective triangle and great rebounder who controlls the game. if this 5 been together its a formidable line up.

may mali sa post ko kinakatyawan namin ung isang kababayan namin na panay ang banat kay pacman. naniniwala sya na panalo si marquez.

anyway baka off topic na ton.

about ronnie natanniels. hindi pwedeng hindi pag usapan ang origin nya. kasi un ang magiging basehan natin kung bakit ganun ang paniniwala nya. sa journalism maraming aspect yan. kaya naman pala madalang sya magtagalog kasi hindi sya purong filipino. teka wag natin kainitan ang pagsasalita ng origins nya. racism? kahit saan meron nyan. nasa pagtanggap lang yan. kung ayaw natin ng racism malaking problem yan. tayo na mismo biktima ng racism. kung ayaw natin nya ipaalis natin ang passport isa sa bigmove yan. pagpasok palang ng airport biktima na tayo nyan. pag kano konting requirements ang hinhingi pagkakita palang ng passport. hindi ba racism un? kung totoong sri lankan si ronnie nataniels bakit may magagalit. tingin ko ang dapat ereklamo is kung may nadeprived sa isang tao based sa nationality nya. i think hindi nadeprived si nathaniels. an totoo nga panay parin ang gamit nya ng media kahit hindi narereview mga articles nya.

nakakatawa tayo talaga. sa opis 2 pinoy na kaopismeyt ko ang nagdebate. kasi ung isa panalo daw si pacman. kinakatyawan namin. ehto nakipagdebate sya sa isang opismeyt ko na naniniwalang panalo si pacman. ung boss namin na marunong ng magtagalog at kakabisita lang sa pinas last month. kilala nya(ng bos namin) si pacman. panay ang banat ng kabayan natin na si pacman daw mayabang. saka puro daw kasi pelikula ang inatupag kaya hindi nanalo. ehto na pinakelaman na nga yung 2 kabayan natin na nagdedebate. sabi ng boss namin. "if he los u complain, if he win you complain. how about you what did you do for your country? drinking? always change mobile for fashion?" may point sya daming meron na magaling lang magcomment.

sakin kahit walang rematch. sabi nga ni quinito parang 2-0 na ang kartada pabor kay pacman. sa unang laban may judge na sinabing nagkamali sya ng sulat ng scorecard. pero kasi base sa rules hindi pwedeng bawiin ang naunang score. pero lumalabas panalo si pacman. sa rematch although close nanalo si pacman via split decision. so ano pa nginangalngal ni marquez? 2 si pacman bokya sya.

rematch? decision na yun nung nanalo. respect na lang natin. busy booking nya daming gusto mag paschedule. valero, 2 diaz, casamayor, catsidis, raheem, kahit si delahoya at si hatton nagkaka interes so kung ako kay pacman last optoin ko si marquez.

dapat pacman vs. big show na lang sa WM24

i like it. sabi nga sa "Rocky Balboa" if he win of course what your going to expect. the underdog win he will be a joke of the decade.

yung big guys na matalo ni pacman ang pagtatawanan for sure.

cardona,

saka dati si andy siegle nung rookie sya ok. pero yung sumunod na taon dahan dahan ng humina ang laro.

bias ako siguro kung maniniwala lang ako sa nakita ko sa tv. though comparizon ko lang sa pacman-marquez2 eh katulad lang ng pacman-marquez1. kung kineclaim ng iba na nanalo si jmm para na rin nating tinanggap na nanalo din si jmm sa unang match.

tanong ko lang bakit naging number 1 sa pound for pund ng ring magazine si pacman habang nalaglag sa number 6 si jmm sa latest records?

a month ago

1. mayweather

2. pacquiao

3. marquez

simple lang. since number 1 sa pound for pound si pacman ikinakasa ni Delahoya ang magiging laban ni golden boy laban kay pacman in case na manalo si pacman sa susunod na 2 laban. being in top of the pound for pund ranks is hindi kwestyonable kung pwede si pacman kay delahoya since top in p4p sya. multimillion bout nanaman para kay pacman at DLH.

habang nangyayari to ikinakasa naman nya ang pacman-marquez3 kaya siniasabi nilang si jmm ang nanalo. para lalong kumuha ng publicity and of course by popular demand lalakas ang hatak ng pacman-jmm3. sabi nga ni larry merchant the more ass to put on the sit to watch a big money anyway. malaking bagay ang emotion ng audience. imagine wala pang assurance ang jmm-pacman3 dito palang dami ng nag aabang at tumatawag ng laban. though para sakin tapos na ang laban. sa pacman-jmm draw pero alam na natin sino ang talagang nanalo. sa pacman-jmm2 though it is close match pacman deserved to win. so pacman has the reason to choose the who will be his opponent.

pero mas interesting sakin na labanan ni pacman ang bigger guys. decking all opponents in lower weights is a big reason to move up.

dela hoya is all about money. since matanda na sya kinakasa nya ang laban ni pacman sa kanya. while manager sya ni jmm gusto nya maging crowds favorite wishlist ang jmm-pacman3 by adding up publicity. publicity is added to emotions ng tao. remember the high tension emotion nung MAB-Morales3? sinabi pa ni delahoya na hatred sa isat isa ni barrera at morales ang big reason bakit kelangan ng 3rd match. may publicity shots pa sila na akala mo magkaaway sila.

so kung tanggap nila na panalo si pacman bakit nila ipopost ang scorecard nila? for what?

sa announcer i like kinito henson. he research to much bago sya magsalita. even the favorite food ng boxer. hindi opinion nya lang.

as he said before jmm is a boxing scienteist with no punching power compare to pacman. aasa sya sa score card but sorry. nahilo sya at nawala panga sya nung matapos ang round 3. kundi pa ititnuro ng referree kung saan ang corner nya muntik pa syang umupo sa corner ni pacman. natawa talaga ako nun kasi papunta sya sa corner ni pacman.

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Why castigate Manny?

SPORTING CHANCE By Joaquin M. Henson

Thursday, March 20, 2008

It is appalling to find some Filipinos casting doubt on the integrity of Manny Pacquiao’s win by split decision over Juan Manuel Marquez in Las Vegas last Saturday.

Like the sourgrapers in Marquez’ camp, they’re insinuating Top Rank chairman Bob Arum did a sleight of hand to protect his hefty investment in Pacquiao by loading the judges panel with personal choices. Marquez’ supporters claim the Mexican should’ve won because the punchstats show he landed more blows.

Allow me to raise three points to clear the air on this issue.

First, the record will establish that both Pacquiao and Marquez gave their thumbs-up on the three judges who were assigned by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. In fact, one original choice Bill Flaherty was replaced on Pacquiao’s instance because he is Roach’s family friend. He was subbed by Tom Miller, 48. The two other judges were veterans Duane Ford, 70, and Jerry Roth, 66, whose reputation for fairness is unassailable. Ford has been a judge since 1978 and Roth, 1982. They’ve been involved in major world title fights before so working last Saturday’s fight was not an unfamiliar experience.

Miller has been a judge since 1996. By the way, it was recently disclosed that in his personal scorecard, Flaherty scored it 114-113 for Pacquiao, the same as Miller. So the verdict would’ve been the same even if Flaherty had not been replaced.

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Second, it must be explained that punchstats are a summary of total blows thrown and connected, broken down into jabs and power shots. Just because a fighter connected more punches on an accumulated basis doesn’t necessarily mean he won. Remember that punchstats show totals from the start of the fight to the end and a bout is judged from round to round, not by an accumulation of blows landed.

For instance, a fighter may take a round with a comfortable margin and receive a 10-9 count from the judges. If his opponent wins the next round by a slim margin, he also receives a 10-9 count. If you total the punches connected in the two rounds, one fighter will have the edge. But in the judges scorecards, it will be dead even. That’s how it is in boxing. You judge round by round, not by an accumulation of total punches connected at the end of the fight.

In the punchstats for last Saturday’s fight, Marquez landed more blows, 172 to Pacquiao’s 157, and was more accurate, 34 percent to 25 percent. Pacquiao, being the aggressor, threw more blows, 619 to 511 or a huge difference of 108. Some judges give a lot of credit to aggressiveness because after all, boxing is a combative sport.

In terms of jabs, Pacquiao threw 314 to Marquez’ 201, but landed only one more, 43 to 42. The figures proved that Marquez didn’t really jab as much as he was supposed to, averaging less than four connections a round.

In power punches, Marquez landed 130 of 310 compared to Pacquiao’s 114 of 305. The difference of 16 in connections is insignificant, considering the length of the fight or 12 rounds.

It is therefore not accurate to base the outcome of a fight on punchstats which do not break down into rounds.

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Third, the judges’ scorecards didn’t show major disparities. They scored the first round for Pacquiao – which The STAR did, too. They also scored the third, fourth and 10th for the Filipino. Additionally, they were unanimous in scoring the second, fifth, seventh, eighth and 11th rounds for Marquez.

The judges differed only in scoring three rounds – the sixth, ninth and 12th. In the sixth, Miller and Roth gave it to Marquez and Ford to Pacquiao. In the ninth, Miller and Roth scored it for Pacquiao and Ford to Marquez. In the 12th, Ford had it for Pacquiao while Miller and Roth saw it for Marquez.

So the discrepancy in scoring was far from being an eternity. From the scorecards, it’s clear that the difference was in the knockdown that Pacquiao produced in the third round because it meant a 10-8 count or a two-point cushion. In a close bout, a knockdown could be the decider and it was in last Saturday’s fight.

If Pacquiao had not decked Marquez but won the third round anyway, it would’ve been a split draw just like the outcome in their first fight. If Marquez won the third round, he would’ve won by majority decision.

Don’t forget that Pacquiao should’ve won the first meeting by a split decision four years ago. Burt Clements, the judge who had it a draw, admitted he made a mistake in shortchanging Pacquiao by a point in the first round when Marquez went down thrice but under boxing rules, the scorecard couldn’t be altered after the fact.

So if you really think about it, Pacquiao has effectively beaten Marquez twice.

The problem with some Filipino fans is they’ve been spoiled by Pacquiao and expect nothing less than a spectacular knockout in each of his fights.

Marquez is a tough opponent and because of his style, will always be difficult for Pacquiao to handle. Pacquiao could’ve done more things to win convincingly last Saturday – he could’ve used the right hand more, he could’ve hit and spun like he did in the second and third Erik Morales fights, he could’ve cut the ring off with more authority on Marquez to close the distance between them, he could’ve jabbed more, he could’ve attacked the body more consistently, he could’ve used more lateral movement instead of insisting on coming forward linearly.

There are so many other “could’ves” to cite but the fact is two of the three judges scored it for Pacquiao and he won, fair and square. Pacquiao earned the victory because he fought with the bigger heart, came back strong in the late rounds and every Filipino should be proud of his achievement in becoming the first Asian to win three world titles in different divisions. He bled for every one of his countrymen, he took Marquez’ hardest shots without backing down. You couldn’t ask anything more from a hero.

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post ko lang po kasi sa lahat ng nabasa ko well research to compare sa mganabasa ko na personal opinion ng mga blogs na naniniwala na si jmm ang nanalo.

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entitled sa opinion tayo pero hindi entitled tayo na magresearch bago mmagpost though mas gusto ko tong dito sa mtc kesa blogs na nababasa ko.

masyado kasing pabibo yung sa mga blogs na as if matalino sila.

may isang blogs na nagpost ng sariling scorecard nya na nanalo si jmm tinanong ko kung naging boxing judge na ba sya kahit sa amature. nagsorry sya personnal opinion nya lang. so para saan pa ang post nya? its nothing but just an opinion. if i had a children i will not let them waste thier time just reading an personal opinion. then time will come his opinion is just a folklore.

no need to watch those boxing match very closed dadayain lang ang mata natin. statistic and boxing records na lang.

CGURO sa loob loob ni marquez pinagtatawanan ang mga pinoy. naisahan ang bansa. imagine madami ang naniniwala na nanalo si marquez. isa pa hindi ko naexperience ang nangyari sa pacman-marquez2. sa pacman marquez1 walang nagpost sa blogs noon. though mas sikat basahin ang blogs nun dahil kakasikat lang a year ago. ngayon susme kala mo nagnakaw sa pacman.

sa pacman-maquez1 umamin ang isang judge na nagkamali sya ng sulat ng scoring. habang sa pacman marquez 2 walang umamin na nagkamali sila. firm and clear ang mga naging decision nila.

si marquez is boxing tactician. kilala sya as in parang boxing scientist. kaya nyang papaniwalain ang simpleng nanood ng boxing. so bakit nga ba ang judge hindi sya makapanalo. dahil hindi nya kayang lituhin ang judge. tayo kaya nyang lituhin. may nagsabi na nung decision parang tanggap na pacman na talo sya kasi pormang feel at sure si marquez na panalo sya. style nya yun para i mindset tayo para mafeel natin na sya ang totoong nanalo. bago pa man tayo magjudge maimpluwensyahan na tayo nung nakikita natin and we forget the whole fight. napakasinungaling ni marquez. sorry sa fans ni marquez pero bago ko to sinabi sure ako sa sinabi ko.

sabi nya hindi sya nasaktan sa pacman-marquez1??? kalokohan. he suffer big from the mexican assasin. after 3 knockdown sa 1round nadurog ang ilong nya. thanks sa cornerman nya na magaling magtago. but his shorts cannot deny the truth, andaming dugo.

hindi sya nasaktan? pero bakit after that fight mga pipitsuging boxer ang nilabanan nya? well simple lang. yung mga huling laban ni pacman ang gagawin nyang basehan para labanan si pacman. so maghihintay sya ng "good chances"after pacman -marquez1 nilabanan nya si Orlando Salido, Victor Polo at Chris John. dahil na rin sa rekomendasyon ng kanyang coach at doctor sa matinding inabot nya kay pacman. hindi halata pero tinahi ang ilong nya that time. ang laban na sinasabi nyang round 1 lang nanalo si pacman. cguro hindi nya pinanood ang video. may mga round syang hindi naipanalo.

sabi ng hbo dapat ngayon patunayan ni marquez its his chance kaso naulit lang ang sa pacman-marquez1. idag dag mo yung low blow at yung pag initiate nya ng jabs na hindi tumatama yun na ba absehan nya para manalo.

pacman has nothing to prooved while marquez kinukwestyon yung pag iwas nya sa malalakas na boxengero tulad ni barrera(2004) at morales(2002). the sasabihin nya sya ang the best in his division?

ngayon bakit ko sinasabing sinungaling sya? kung magaling syang magsinungaling hindi mahirap sa kanya ang mangulang sa loob ng ring. tulad ng pormang madaming jabs. na think kung talagang naconvince nya ang judge panalo na sya. or unconvincing jabs ang nakita ng judge? i dont htink na nanalo sya. pwedeng draw pero hindi sya nanalo lalo na sa performance nya. hindi dahil sa may naipanalo syang round panalo sya. binilang nya ang naipanalo nya round bilanganin naman nya ang pinatalo nya at yung knockdown nya plus dapat may deduction yung low blows nya. kung ganun dapat talo sya or either draw.

double standard lang talaga ang pinoy. gusto natin pag nanalo knockdown. as i remember bago ang laban na pag daw umabot ng round 12 definitely talo si pacman. parang wala syang karapatang umabot ng round 12. so naka mind set nanaman tayo. pero ang totoo closed fight pero may reason bakit nanalo si pacman. yung sinabi ng ring magazine na si marquez ang nanalo way lang nila yun para lumakas ang hatak at mas makakuha ng maraming viewer ang magiging pacman-marquez 3. sabi nga ni larry merchant. bigger emotion among viewer is a bigger buzz coming to make a matches by the promotions nad its only about money.

hindi na kailangan ng pacman-marquez3 para malaman kung sino ang mas magaling sa dalawa.

search na lang sa http://boxing.about.com/ ang boxing records ng favorite boxer natin. dun magrereflect who is the better.

sino pinaniniwalan ko? hindi si marquez (as he said from round 2-12 he win sa pacman-marquez1 i think his a big liar)

yung dami ng jabs?( ill do that sa sa 2008 olympic in boxing competition)

records and judge a is way much better. marquez is a good showman. while he keeps on escaping from other boxing greats but he admit to himself that he is the best in his division. eh bakit hindi nya labanan si edwin valero at in ji chi before??? kasi those guys are wiling to bring him down just to have a multimillion match. mas hindi nakakahiya kung si pacman ang tatalo sa kanya.

Nakakatawa naman, meron bang pinagka-iba sa manood ka ng HBO-PPV vs Solar-GMA ???

 

Mas naniniwala kase ako kung sa commentator ka nakikinig ....... baka maapektuhan ang tingin mo.

 

Katulad nga tong si Chino Trinidad ......... kaka-iba ang style nya last Sunday - kainis.

 

 

Sabi nila the 1st & last round daw make the result different?

 

Round 1 ko kase si Pacman .......... isang suntok lang naman pumasok ng husto kay Marquez.

 

Round 12 - medyo kinakabahan ako ........... pero PACMAN PA DIN !!! Bwaaa....ha...ha...ha...

 

 

Peace.

yes ibang iba. iba iba ng position ng cam. pero mas maconvince tayo kung live as in andun tayo sa ring side. dun mo makikita kung yung suntok is totoong lumapat sa mukha or suntok na kapos. well nakakakaba nga naman kasi they won both 6 rounds.

nasanay kasi tayo na laging naknockdown ni pacman ang kalaban para wala ng pagtalunan. so nanibago tayo sa call na unanimous decision. i like to see pacman-marquez3 pero mas magandang mapanood natin si pacman na lumaban sa mas malaki. kasi nakakproud na a smaller filipino eh maknockdown ang bigger men. sabi nga ni kilalang boxing commentator. matalo si pacman walang mawawala. pero pag natalo yung malalaki pagtatawanan ng bansa. wehehe

ehto ang kay jmm para patas

Total fights 53

Wins 48

Wins by KO 35

Losses 4

Draws 1

his last ten fights

11-01 -- Derrick Gainer, Grand Rapids, MI, W Tech Dec 7

(Won WBA Featherweight Title)

(Retained IBF Featherweight Title)

jmm loss his 2 among his 10 last fight. one draw and 2 knock out win.

2004

05-08 -- Manny Pacquiao, Las Vegas, NV, D 12(Retained WBA Featherweight Title)(Retained IBF Featherweight Title)

09-18 -- Orlando Salido, Las Vegas, NV, W 12(Retained WBA Featherweight Title)(Retained IBF Featherweight Title)

2005

05-07 -- Victor Polo, Las Vegas, NV, W 12(Retained WBA Featherweight Title)(Retained IBF Featherweight Title)

2006

03-04 -- Chris John, Borneo Island, Indonesia, L 12(Lost WBA Featherweight Title)

08-05 -- Terdsak Jandaeng, Stateline, NV, TKO 7(Won Interim WBO Featherweight Title)

11-25 -- Jimrex Jaca, Hidalgo, TX, KO 9(Retained Interim WBO Featherweight Title)

2007

03-17 -- Marco Antonio Barrera, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 (Won WBC Super Featherweight Title)

11-03 -- Rocky Juarez, Tucson, AZ, W 12 (Retained WBC Super Featherweight Title)

2008

03-15 -- Manny Pacquiao, Las Vegas, NV, L 12 (Lost WBC Super Featherweight Title)

sa totoo lang hindi na kailangan ng rematch para patunayan kung sino magaling. kasi papasok nanaman ang early aging reasoning ng mehekano. yan na rin ang sinabi nung time ni barrera ang morales. ano to early aging? they are not yeat in their 40's

ok sa boxing analysis pacman is better than marquez. kung baga yung pacman-marquez to trial kay dinamita yun na kaya nyang talunin si pacman. even manalo sya sa pacman-marquez2 is a big question since they won 6rounds each.

record says

pacman in his last 10 matches

March 15, 2008 win over Juan Manuel Márquez Split decision Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas,

October 6, 2007 win over Marco Antonio Barrera Unanimous decision Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas,

April 14, 2007 win Jorge Solis 8th round KO Alamodome, San Antonio,

November 18, 2006 win Erik Morales 3rd round TKO Thomas and Mack Center, Las Vegas,

July 7, 2006 win Óscar Larios Unanimous decision Araneta Coliseum, Quezon City,

January 21, 2006 win Erik Morales 10th round TKO Thomas and Mack Center, Las Vegas,

September 10, 2005 WIN Hector Velazquez 6th round TKO Staples Center, Los Angeles

March 19, 2005 LOSS Erik Morales Unanimous decision MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, United States

December 11, 2004 WIN Fahsan 3K Battery 4th round TKO Fort Bonifacio Global City, Taguig City, Philippines

May 8, 2004 DRAW Juan Manuel Márquez Draw Las Vegas, United States WBA and IBF World Featherweight titles

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IN GENERAL PACMAN 8 WIN IN LAST 10 FIGHT, 8 CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHTS IN HIS 10 FIGHT. 5 WIN VIA TKO IN HIS 8 WIN.

ONLY IN MORALES-PACQUIAO 1 IS THE SOLE FIGHT IS NO KNOCKDOWN HAPPEN.

Total fights 51

Wins 46 (90%)

Wins by KO 35 (76%)

Losses 3

Draws 2

No contests 0

TOP 10 BOXER IN POND FOR POUND ACCORDING TO RING MAGAZINE

Top 10 Rankings

Rank Fighter Record Weight class Titles held at present

1 Manny Pacquiao 46-3-2 (35 KO) Super featherweight WBC Super featherweight Champion, Emeritus Champion

The Ring Super featherweight Champion

2 Floyd Mayweather Jr. 39-0 (25 KO) Welterweight WBC Welterweight Champion, Emeritus Champion

The Ring Welterweight Champion

3 Bernard Hopkins 48-4-1-1 (32 KO) Light heavyweight WBC Emeritus Champion

The Ring Light Heavyweight Champion

4 Joe Calzaghe 44-0 (32 KO) Super middleweight WBA, WBC and WBO Super Middleweight Champion

The Ring Super Middleweight Champion

5 Israel Vázquez 43-4 (31 KO) Super bantamweight WBC Super Bantamweight Champion

The Ring Super Bantamweight champion

6 Miguel Angel Cotto 31-0 (25 KO) Welterweight WBA Welterweight Champion

7 Ricky Hatton 43-1 (31 KO) Super lightweight IBO Junior Welterweight Champion

The Ring Junior Welterweight Champion

8 Juan Manuel Márquez 48-4-1 (35 KO) Super featherweight

9 Kelly Pavlik 33-0 (29 KO) Middleweight WBC and WBO Middleweight Champion

The Ring Middleweight Champion

10 Rafael Márquez 37-5 (33 KO) Super bantamweight

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IM SORRY NALAGLAG NA PO SI MARQUEZ SA RANKING SINCE HE CANT EVEN DEFEND HIS CROWN SA SUPERFEATHERWEIGHT.

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maraming daya talaga sa boing isa narin dito yung pormang bibo. panoorin nyo yung decision at release ng score cards nung kay barrera-pacman 2. pormang nanalo si barrera. taas sya ng taas ng kamay. sabi pa nga ni chino trinidad kumbaga huling parada.

im not pacman fans. pero hindi ako magdadamot na ibigay ang respeto ko sa panalo ni pacman. respeto sa scoring ng judge. though mahirap kasi kahit sila sinabi nila even ang performance pero pauli ulit ko nasabi may na knockdown. kaya yung nakaknockdown kay marquez ang panalo. hindi pwedeng refere. please lang wag pasaway.wehehe.

para hindi ot. yung nagsabing hindi pwedeng labanan ni pacman ang mas malaki ehto sa hbo commentators and analysis

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THINKING BIG

Can you imagine Manny Pacquiao fighting Ricky Hatton or Oscar De La Hoya? Crazy? Well then call Pacquiao crazy like a fox. He's thinking big and preparing to follow the yellow brick road to perhaps more fame -- and certainly more fortune.

by Nat Gottlieb | Photos by Chris Farina/Top Rank

When Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, first went on record late last year saying it is entirely possible that his 130-pound boxer might fight either Hatton or De La Hoya or both this year, more than a few people dismissed the notion as just talk.

But Arum kept saying it, and when both De La Hoya and Hatton came out and indicated they would consider facing Pacquiao, it created quite a buzz. While the axiom "styles make fights" is often true, it is also good to remember what the late great trainer Cus D'Amato said when asked what professional boxing was all about: "It's about putting asses in the seats." Buzz can do that.

As an attraction, Pacquiao vs. Hatton and/or Oscar would be a pretty big deal," said Larry Merchant, the HBO commentator. "Because of Pacquiao's age (29), and his pound-for-pound power, you couldn't dismiss him. He might not be successful, but he'll make a lot of money and exciting fights." "As an attraction, Pacquiao vs. Hatton and/or Oscar would be a pretty big deal," said Larry Merchant, the HBO commentator. "Because of Pacquiao's age (29), and his pound-for-pound power, you couldn't dismiss him. He might not be successful, but he'll make a lot of money and exciting fights."

If Pacquiao fights either of those two, the plan evidently is for the junior lightweight to check in first at a halfway house called the lightweight division, where fights with champions David Diaz and Juan Diaz have been seriously discussed. If Pacquiao is successful in those fights, the buzz would only increase.

"If Pacquiao beats Marquez (March 15), and then beats David Diaz and Juan Diaz, who wouldn't want to see him fight Hatton or Oscar?" Merchant said.

And while the boys hit harder at lightweight and are as fast as 130-pounders, Merchant thinks Pacquiao could conceivably mop up the division.

"Pacquiao is a freak in terms of his punching power," Merchant said. "Pound for pound, Pacquiao is the hardest puncher in boxing, and when you can hit like that it sometimes makes up for shortcomings. At 135, Pacquiao will probably still punch harder than anybody in that weight class."

Many fans apparently agree with Merchant. In a recent poll on HBO's boxing website, readers were asked who they thought was the hardest puncher in boxing. The choices were heavyweights Samuel Peter and Wladimir Klitschko, middleweight Kelly Pavlik, welterweight Miguel Cotto and Pacquiao. Over 18,000 voted, and this is what the poll concluded:

Peter (7 pct.), Pavlik (15 pct.), Cotto (21 pct.), Klitschko (28 pct.) and Pacquiao (29 pct.)

In fighting significantly bigger men, Pacquiao, who began his career as a flyweight (112 pounds), would have more than a little history on his side. There have been numerous instances of smaller men moving way up in weight and successfully challenging a much bigger champion. The most recent example is Roy Jones Jr., who began his career as a junior middleweight in 1989, and then 14 years later challenged and defeated heavyweight champ John Ruiz, while giving away three inches and 33 pounds.

Top Rank's vice president and matchmaker Bruce Trampler, who promotes Pacquiao, doesn't think the difference in weight is all that big of an obstacle.

"Would you say Miguel Cotto's skills changed when he moved to 147 (from 140)?" Trampler said. "No. He was better able to fight his fight when he went to welterweight, and it may be that Manny will perform better if he doesn't strain himself making 130."

But Hatton walks around at around 180 pounds and boils down to 140, and Oscar has fought as high as 160 and has been campaigning at 154. Isn't that a heavy pill to swallow, Bruce?

"Stop with the weight, will you?" Trampler said. "Cotto isn't tall (5'7"). Floyd (Mayweather Jr.) is only an inch and a half taller than Manny (5'6 1/2"). Each boxer has his own body, and his own physiology is different than the next man's. Alexis Arguello (Hall of Famer) kept moving up from bantamweight (118) to super lightweight (140), and would have done well had it not been Aaron Pryor (Hall of Famer) waiting for him at 140 (Pryor beat him twice). Often it depends on who you have to fight when you move up."

Asked how Pacquiao would do against Hatton and De La Hoya, Merchant had a surprising answer.

"On the basis of age, Pacquiao's chances might be better against Oscar (35)," Merchant said. "Hatton is the same age as Pacquiao (29). Pacquiao and Oscar would appear to be a mismatch, especially in height (De La Hoya is 5'10 1/2"), but Oscar is six years older, and would be fighting a big puncher, a phenomenon still in his prime."

Arum in a recent interview said pretty much the same thing: "Manny Pacquiao brings a lot to the table against Oscar," Arum said. "He has the speed, a good punch, he takes a good punch. He may be outsized by De La Hoya, but remember, when he fought Barrera (last October) he went into the ring weighing 144 pounds (after weighing in at 130). So it is not out of the question. Certainly not."

While Pacquiao has the pressure and expectation of the entire Filipino nation weighing on him, losing to either Hatton or De La Hoya wouldn't necessarily be seen as a career setback.

"The point here is Pacquiao would fight Hatton or Oscar for a huge purse, and it would be a no-lose situation," Merchant said. "If he loses to bigger men, so what?"

Should either fight actually go down, don't expect to see Pacquiao bulk up and turn into the Incredible Hulk. Speed is the first thing to go when a smaller fighter puts on a lot of extra muscle. "I think if he would fight in the mid 130s when he goes up in weight, he wouldn't lose any speed," Merchant said.

Hatton is a perfect example of the perils of putting on more weight. When Hatton first moved up to welterweight to fight Luis Collazo in 2006, he bulked up and weighed in at the limit of 147 before entering the ring at 154. Although Hatton won, he later blamed what was a less than stellar performance on adding the weight, and vowed the next time he fought at welterweight, he would not follow the same script.

When Hatton fought welterweight champ Mayweather last December, he weighed in under the limit at 145. And while he lost the fight via knockout, Hatton fought more like the 140-pound version of himself.

Perhaps the most famous example of a fighter staying at his best weight despite taking on a bigger man is the great Henry Armstrong, who in 1938 weighed in at just 133 pounds when he beat welterweight champion Barney Ross. That victory made Armstrong the only man in history to own three world titles at the same time (he also was featherweight and lightweight champ). Armstrong then defended his welterweight title eight straight times, while never weighing more than 135 pounds.

Although Hatton fought the bigger Mayweather mainly for prestige (and also got paid quite nicely), Trampler says that would not be the driving force behind Pacquiao taking on the Brit or De La Hoya.

"Forget boosting careers," Trampler said. "It's all about money. Floyd wanted to fight Oscar and Hatton for the Benjamins, as opposed to Margarito or Cotto for good, but not great purses. Everyone wants to fight an Ali, De La Hoya, Hatton, Leonard and a Pacquaio because they can get paid as opponents. Juan Diaz or (Joel) Casamayor can't make real money unless they fight an attraction. Middleweights who couldn't get arrested are now lining up to fight Kelly Pavlik."

Merchant also says money is the reason why so many boxers call out De La Hoya and Pacquiao.

"With Oscar it is strictly about money for the other fighters. With Manny, it is also about money in the sense that he can generate the most money of anybody in the lower weight divisions. Plus, if you beat him, or put on a good showing, it will get you many other fights," Merchant said.

Pacquiao fighting Hatton or De La Hoya would put plenty of asses in the seats and make everyone involved a great deal of money, which is why you shouldn't be surprised this year to see the Filipino taking on the big boys.

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lastly as i said may taoong posible na makatalo kay pacman. hindi si marquez. its juan diaz. sa analysis larong kalye si juan diaz compare kay marquez. pero dahil alam natin na hindi umaatras si pacman problem yun kay pacman. lastly mas malaki si diaz though pacman has a history of bring down a bigger guys.

ehto i still remember yung sinabi ni great commentator larry merchant after pacman-marquez "i understand why it will take time to accept a rematch with manny, who will going to make a quick rematch who floored you 3 times in round 1?"

as i said. kung olympic boxing definitely panalo si marquez sa dami ng naiconnect nya. but im sorry sa marquez fans. professional boxing po ito. a devastating jabs is big count. sa isang even performance sa isang match judge will relay on its best execution. although kung bilangan ng rounds ang ipinanalo both of them has 6 rounds they win. pero hindi pwedeng magdraw dahil may naknockdown, may nangugulang, mag below the belt. at kahit grade 1 alam na ang nandaya sa boxing talo.

:evil:

sa election sobrang daya. as i said sa boxing hindi natin gawain ang mandaya. kung gaano kadalas tayo nakapandaya sa boxing mas madalas tayong ninanakawan ng title. sa olympic remember the low blows of vietnamese boxer to ruel velasco natalo sya at nalaglag sabronze. sa atlanta olympic hindi nabibilang ng judge ang naiconnect ni onyok sa kalaban, nalaglag si onyok sa silver instead of gold.

sa profesional boxing remember how jerry penalosa is set up to lost in korea. 5 hours bago sya maglaro saka lang sya nakarating ng korea(jetlag) its all to be blame sa manager nya na kilalang nagbebenta ng laro. kay pacman everytime he got a draw title belt ang hindi nya natatanggap.

imagine the champ of mexico na nagdadaya. hindi ba nakakahiya sila kampion na nagdadaya pa din.

ayoko maging personal to pero kahit badboy si navarette hindi sya nagkampion sa pandaraya.

lahat ng kampion natin malinis kasi alam nila na pag nagdaya sila mismong kapwa pinoy ang gugulpi sa kanila. un na kasi ang psycology ng pinoy. well i most of thailander and mexicans are different pag malapit na sa title.

as i said "cheaters never win" kaya hindi nanalo si jmm. low blows is considered an act of frustrations and cheating.

pero kung may pipichugin na pinoy boxer ang nagdaya, hindi yan aabot sa championship.

sa tagal ko ng nanood ng laban mula araneta i can is ibang mapanood ang live. dun mo makikita ang simpleng daya. like nakita ko hindi gaanong naclean up ang dugo ni marquez. does round is important since medyo lamang si pacquiao. biglang hininto ng ref ang laban kasi dumudugo nga. simpleng gulang nga naman. another interuption. though si pacman dumudugo din pero hindi sya nabigyan ng chance na mainter up. in case na posible na alanganin ang case ni marquez may reason ang ref na iinter up dahil sa dugo. nakita ko un sa tv. though ayokong magmarunong. all i can say is filipino boxers are clean fighters in common and im proud of it. napakalinis maglaro. siguro bilang ko ang napakadaya sa loob ng lona like bobby pacquiao when he fight hector velazquez. pero common sa mexican ang madaya. like ubos oras para umabot ng 12 rounds. like useless jabs. like pag pumwesto sa likod mo ang ref suntok bigla sa no hit zone. nang uulo, pag sumuntok ng hook kasama ang siko. meron extra jabs kahit hinto na nag ref(infamous is barrera-pacman2).

marquez had done enough to try to win. even giving a dirty tactics. but the the old motto in like. cheaters never win.

pacmans title belt is enough vendication from a daw way back Agapito Sánchez(2001 and a very dirty fighter), barerra(2007 with extra curricular punches), jmm(2004 which judges mistakenly made a wrong scoring with respect to 3 knockdown rule), another bad moment is when pacman accidental headbut during the pacman-morales 1 which he suffered a wound causing him to lost that fight. i think winning the belt is a big vendication in which he really desrerved it.

its a fighter fight. marquez failed to give pacman a a power punches that will make the filipino cham collapse. and if this happen marquez is a dinfite winner in a even performance. but sorry pacman made a difference by his own.

sa mga mexicano pagbigyan nyo na muna ang mga pinoy kahit that time lang to celebrate. sa pinoy na nagduda sa panalo ni pacman sorry po hindi ito election na ganun kadaling mandaya. wala sa dugo ng pinoy ang magdaya sa boxing :cool:

yes. the only thing we can blame is the pacman-marquez 1. kung tama lang ang scoring nung round 1 hindi magkakaroon ng draw. and declared winner si pacman nun. and kung nanalo sya ngayon ang tanong sa kumukwestyon sa panalo ni pacman may pacman-marquez 3 pa kaya???

based sa ring magazine though naging draw ang laban nung pacman-marquez1 pacman is likely to win that time. and in pacman-marquez 2 si pacquiao parin ang panalo. why? 2 times na nagdrop si marquez during the round3, 2nd daming below the belt na suntok ni marquez. again i heard a commentator saying "im waiting for a deduction on that" during the sa no hit zone na yun.

in the end pacman is way much better kay marquez. in 24 rounds of meetings marquez are downed for almost 5 times while pacman are happy and celebrating because it never happen to him.

i like the way marquez protecting himself by saying sya ang nanalo sa 1st and 2nd match. libre ang mangarap.