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Posted 20 February 2005 - 07:19 PM

Not to be rude, but I think it depends where from... :hypocritesmiley:

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Posted 20 February 2005 - 07:58 PM

Some balikbayans actually go home to Phil to share with others the knowledge they have gained elsewhere, so our country/economy will be benefited. I know a lot of balikbayans who start and are involved with charities. I have friends who have gone home, started businesses and in turn provided jobs to Filipinos. And most of these guys' prime ambition and dream is to help change our country for the better.

Not all balikbayans are bad.

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Posted 20 February 2005 - 08:11 PM

mostly of the filipinos esp in the rural areas treats balikbayan as if they are superstars... they're very hospitable and very caring... they focus their attention on that particular person or people to the point that they're both annoyed.

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I recently went home to Phil. Everytime I walked in a room, I got silence and stares. Even in chuch everyone would be pointing and staring at the 'balikbayan' I think the bleached hair and mini-skirt didn't help.

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Posted 20 February 2005 - 09:35 PM

mostly of the filipinos esp in the rural areas treats balikbayan as if they are superstars... they're very hospitable and very caring... they focus their attention on that particular person or people to the point that they're both annoyed.

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I'd have to agree on this one :rolleyes:

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 12:40 AM

If by nature mayabang at reklamador talaga sila, bad trip talaga yan kahit nasaan pa sila. much irritating lang kapag bumisita sila sa pinas at panay ang reklamo at pilit kinukumpara sa bagong bansa na nila. ang kadalasang reklamo nyan are mga obvious points like economic development, corruption, at infrastructure knowing na medyo inferior nga ang sitwasyon ng pinas.

But the point is, kung gusto mong baguhin ang pinas, bumalik ka at dito mo ibuhos ang galing mo. Hayaan mong pinas ang makinabang ng contribution mo sa ekonomiya at hindi ang ibang bansa. Otherwise, quiet na lang.

Mas bilib pa ako sa mga OCW/OFW. Kitang kita mo sa kanila sa sabik na sabik makabalik ng pinas at lungkot na lungkot pag babalik na sila sa work nila. dehins ka makakadinig ng reklamo sa mga ito. hanggat maari gusto nilang ma-enjoy ang maigsing bakasyon nila sa piling ng mga pamilya at kaibigan nila.

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Posted 23 February 2005 - 04:15 PM

i believe that stereotyping is a common mistake that can occur when judging balikbayans. In the ealier post there is the word "arrogance"... well indeed there is thin line between that word with confidence and being assertive.. but totally different concepts and meanings.

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 11:49 PM

It's not those who grew up abroad (such as yourself)  who really get on our nerves, but those who grew up in the Philippines then come back and act like they own the world, just because they've become US citizens (or British or whatever).  "Walang ganyan sa States!"  That sort of thing.  Some spend several years abroad and come back with an American or British accent.  Hell.  The current California governer has been living in the US for so long, but he still speaks the way he did decades ago.

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i quite disagree with the accent thingy there, maybe it's because this is the first thing you would notice, but really, when you speak abroad, you really have to change your accent lest they wouldnt understand you.

but inherently, they are still the same person kahit ano mang accent yan, ,,, kung magbago man ang tingin nila sa pinas
at sa pinoy, and begin to look down at people here when they get back, then they are inherently still that one dumb, white *ss lick'n sons of their mothers who didn't bring them up properly kind of person

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 11:52 PM

If by nature mayabang at reklamador talaga sila, bad trip talaga yan kahit nasaan pa sila. much irritating lang kapag bumisita sila sa pinas at panay ang reklamo at pilit kinukumpara sa bagong bansa na nila.  ang kadalasang reklamo nyan are mga obvious points like economic development, corruption, at infrastructure knowing na medyo inferior nga ang sitwasyon ng pinas.

But the point is, kung gusto mong baguhin ang pinas, bumalik ka at dito mo ibuhos ang galing mo.  Hayaan mong pinas ang makinabang ng contribution mo sa ekonomiya at hindi ang ibang bansa.  Otherwise, quiet na lang.

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tama ka pre, bayaan mo sila dun, we don't need them here either

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 05:04 AM

A very interesting thread, I recently visited pinas and unconsciously found myself still speaking english while in the malls...we got used to this because abroad you have to speak in english and speak it the way they do, otherwise they wouldn't be able understand you. This serves as a guideline for us what to do and what not to do while in pinas, hope some other input are comming.

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 06:00 AM

When I came back 3 years ago I was treated fairly and I love the Philippines very much that I am contemplating in going back for good. As far as balibayan are concerned some pinoys here in Toronto act as if they are better than others the moment they come here. Kakausapin mo ng tagalog and they will speak to you in english kahit very strong yung accent. There was this girl who said she forgot how to speak tagalog and I asked here how long hasa she been in Canada, she said 6 months eh p*tang in mo sabi ko (sorry for the foul language) dapat ba akong maniwala na nakalimutan mo na magtagalog? It's just sad how some pinoys give a balik bayans a bad name.

Peace and sorry for the foul language I just had to say it.

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 04:56 PM

Its really not fair to generalize; some are good guys and some are ... (please supply the appropriate noun).
For me, what I can never appreciate (even if, by and large, there was no malice intended; as mentioned, they were just creatures of their environment) is the undertone of "how could you people live like this/tolerate that/find it acceptable!" Worse than perceived arrogance is the annoying feel of condecension or the sense that they were probably the only ones or the first one to notice that things are wrong.
Re accents and language - My American secretary from way back could tell if the person I was talking to on the phone is a Filipino or of a different race. She said I tended to roll my r's and enunciate my o's clearly when speaking to a Filipino. She also says that my conversations with a Filipino tends to have 60 percent English phrases in them.

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Posted 15 May 2005 - 10:56 AM

i can only speak for myself.  the 1st time i went back to the PI in 1999....i was appalled.  i complained alot and wanted to get out.  thats because i expected things to happen the way things happen in the US.  since then, ive become less judgemental and just tried to experience things how they are.  i could see how filipinos might have thought i was being stuck up being in the situation i was when i first came to the PI.  so for me....i think some of "arrogance" came from expecting things to look, feel, and things to happen like in the states.  thus my attitude was poor.  but i learned from the cliche, "when in rome, do as the romans.  ive appreciated more things that are positives of the PI.  now i love the place.  i go to the PI twice a year just to vacation.

so maybe for some people....their arrogance could stem from being frustrated.

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The fact that you use the abbrev "PI" to refer to my country already betrays the bias that you grew up with. Don't you know that "PI" is a pejorative? It is a drawback to the days when the great white American colonizers considered the Philippine Islands as a backwater hardship posting.

Balikbayans are the result of darwinian selection. They could not take the environment (political, economic, cultural) of the mother country and decided that they had better move to a different (I don't know about better) place else they perish becuase they are not equipped with the right survival skills.

And then, when they feel that they have somehow managed to establish themselves in their refuge countries, they troop back to my country as if to validate their decision to leave by bitching and complaining about how we prefer to do things. They forget that they couln't really cut it in this country in the first place--that is why they left.

I lived abroad for close to a decade but I turned my back on the foreign exchange, the nice cars, the cool shops because:

1. I wanted to live in a big house that I did not have to clean, with a big yard that I did not have to sweep and tend, eat any kind of food I want without having to cook it myself, take as many showers as I want and as many changes of clothes I want without having to wash and iron them myself. For these, I could afford to hire househelp which even with the optional social security and health insurance, is still affordable.

2. When I step out to the garage the cars will always be washed and waxed and vacuumed.

3. I, my wife, and my kids can decide to go anywhere in the car without having to drive themselves if they do not want to drive.

4. I can eat as well as what Americans eat if I choose to and yet I know where to buy the best lechon, inihaw na bangus, talaba, and sinigang na maliputo that even the most resourceful balikbayan would have a hard time finding in the country he has ran off to.

5. My kids go to nice schools, pass the UP entrance exams with no problem and act responsibly. They keep their word on our deadline agreements and don't answer back the way I have personally seen American kids do and threaten to call "911".

6. When I get home, I ask for slippers, newspaper, and coffee and they appear by my side.

7. Where is no snow to shovel, no yard to mow, no leaves to rake because what little needed to be done is being done by someone else.

8. My wife does not have to work to provide supplementary income. She does not get stressed by having to do housework either. When I get home or meet her somewhere after work, she looks 15 years younger than her cousins who hied off to the land of milk and honey where you do all the work.

Some of you may thinkI inherited all to these. No. I am a product of the Philippine Public School system. Toro Hills Elementary School in Project 8, QC, Quezon City Science High School, and UP. In college I was a working student. I worked my way through. No one said it was easy, but I achieved the Philippine dream and I tell you, it is a lot better than the American dream because it is so much better to be comfortable around your own kind.

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Posted 15 May 2005 - 02:21 PM

Amen to that.

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Posted 16 May 2005 - 01:18 AM

i actually have a theory regarding why some of the wealthier filipinos have some sort of animosity towards balikbayans.  they are so used to acting so high and mighty they cant stand it when balikbayans dont care about their status and treat them no different than anybody else.  for me i treat everyone the same no matter their social status....but some rich filipinos think theyre better than others.  im not saying everyone is like this.....just some.

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First, can we all cut referring to the Republic of the Philippines as the "PI"? "PI" is a purely colonial label applicable only to when we were a colony of the US. Unless to have a direct intent to demean the Philippines, then "Philippines" will do nicely. More syllables, I know but that should not be hard to learn. After all, you guys won't let yourselves be caught using "nigger" instead of "african american" in your mother country.

Second, I will admit that I count myself as belonging to the group of better off Filipinos that you just might consider wealthy although I do not know if you are using Philippine or US terms of reference. But please define "high and mighty". Personally, when I encounter a balikbayan on the street I do not feel any animosity towards him or her. The "outre" fashion sense may strike me as droll and cause me to label it as "redneck baroque" or something in my mind but I certainly would not go out of my way to demonstrate any overt reaction to the esthetic affront. Of course, neither would I go out of my way to smile and make them feel welcome.

Balikbayan relatives however will remain relatives irrespective of where they come from and how they look. I will keep my opinions to myself but will certainly draw the line when any of my family tries to emulate their accent, attitude, or (shudder) fashion sense.

This my country, I live here, I pay my taxes here, therefore, I will choose how I wish to behave in this country as I think befits the people I interact with. If they happen to be foreigners (or balikbayans--no difference) and they don't like it, they are free to leave--which is exactly how they would feel had I been in their country and our roles were reversed.

Therefore, while I do not feel it is right or proper for me to behave as if I were better or superior to other Filipinos, I see no problem in behaving differently towards foreigners who deserve the treatment. Because certainly, if they behave that way in YOUR country think about how they might behave when you are in THEIR country. If they can't stand it, they can always leave. That si why they are balikbayans in the first place.

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Posted 16 May 2005 - 03:52 PM

Folks, I don't want to argue. But let's not make a big thing out of the use of PI. It's simply a nostalgic term for those of us who are old enough to remember a time when our country was still among the top nations in Asia. It was well in use in the 50s and 60s, and in informal discussions it's still nice to use. And yes, I love our wonderful PI.

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 01:41 PM

Depends on how they behave. If they behave as if they were an alien.. then, I treat them as if they were an alien. Otherwise, I treat them the way I treat most people.

On the arrogance thing.. I don't think it's arrogance nor frustration.. it's more of they just want the environment to adapt to them instead of them adapting to the environment. :hypocritesmiley:

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 06:46 AM

So why does everybody I know back there wanna ditch PI and go somewhere else? I wonder why there are so many nursing students? And do you all know how many mail-order brides are out on the net trying to score to they can jam out of PI? Balikbayans are not the only ones complaining. Everytime I go back there, it seemed like people are always whining about the same exact sh!t the balikbayans whine about. Traffic, pollution, no jobs, the gov't sucks, it's scorching hot, PAL is always late...sh!t like that. Unless you're livin the high life like Boomouse...life can suck hard back there.

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Posted 21 May 2005 - 08:38 AM

So why does everybody I know back there wanna ditch PI and go somewhere else?  I wonder why there are so many nursing students?  And do you all know how many mail-order brides are out on the net trying to score to they can jam out of PI?  Balikbayans are not the only ones complaining.    Everytime I go back there, it seemed like people are always whining about the same exact sh!t the balikbayans whine about.    Traffic, pollution, no jobs, the gov't sucks, it's scorching hot, PAL is always late...sh!t like that.  Unless you're livin the high life like Boomouse...life can suck hard back there.

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There are plenty of reasons, general or personal. Mostly it is because of circumstantial or situational.

The most popular answer to your question why there are so many wanting to leave the country is "Mahirap ang buhay dito" and "Job opportunities".

There is also the colonial mentality. Since bata pa ang idea that life outside of the Philippines is better than living here is instilled so naturally the biggest achievement that is percieved is to get out of the country.

Sadly, I know of one mother that wants her daughters to be japayukis because nagseselos siya with her neighbours and other kamaganaks who have been japayukis and now umaasenso. The sad part is ayaw magwork ng mother and gusto na lang magpasocial and other stuff.

Rampant din ang news about families being torn apart because nagkakaroon ng 2nd (even 3rd) families abroad ang mga OFWs.

About the mailorder brides naman, same thing: To get out of the Philippines para masustentuhan ang mga pamilya. I can't really imagine the sacrifice these guys who chose to be mail order brides.

Other reasons are: to escape prosecution, to begin a clean slate, because nandyan na ang family nya, etc.

The most prevailant reason kaya gusto umalis ng Philippines is better opportunity.

I am from the provinces who transfererred to here in Manila. Dito na ako sa Manila nagwowork. Sa start it was a big culture change sa akin; within the Philippines pa ako ah. People here in Manila have it sooo good interms of economics and opportunity. Here, taken for granted nila ang norms of their lives; a so-so attitude or happy go lucky view of situations. It's a bit hard to describe actually.

I have balikbayan relatives (who doesn't these days) who, thankfully, do not do much whining about the social situation here in the Philippines.

Balikbayans are given a bad rep*tation because they often say "In the states..." and "wala yan sa states...", etc.

Yes, we know the situation looks bad. We are not blind or apathetic to our Philippine's plight.

Masama lang ang dating sa amin when balikbayans whine and complain. Lumalabas na "high and mighty" ang mga statements. There was even this one guy that commented that "nasanay lang kayo because you don't know any better, unlike me na nakaexperience here sa states" and even went ahead to say "dyan na kayo sa Pilipinas niyo". Comments like that are relates to the proverbial "breaking the camel's back".

Some would point out that its becaue of guilt or selos kaya negative ang tingin namin sa mga balikbayans. Not really. It all boils down to plain irritation; parang dagdag pahirap lang when people start blabbering about the obvious. We know that there is room for improvement when it comes to our system and way of living. We know the problems and other bad things about Philippine soceity, especially our government.

Ayan tuloy ang stereotype para sa mga expats and balikbayans are complainers and whiners. All we ak is that tumigil na lang kayo sa complaints ninyo and either makibagay kayo (do as the Romans do) or do something about it. Do you think society would be more accomodating to you when you point out the obvious and complain? No way!

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Posted 21 May 2005 - 09:03 AM

amen

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Posted 21 May 2005 - 09:34 AM

so some people get irritated at balikbayans who point out what may seem obvious to filipinos; i can accept that...

just on this board alone, there are lots of non balikbayan members who point out the same things. all you have to do is look at threads with political and economic themes. question is, do you get irritated by them (non balikbayans) as well?




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