Is Clubbing Morally Wrong ?

[friendly0603]

You just can't help it can't you? Forcing your own beliefs to others and irritating them at the same time, this is not a debate, I just want to get people's opinion.

Just keep your cool. The fact that you're irritated is just says that you are really not open to discussion and opinions opposite to yours isn't welcome. Nope, I'm not forcing my beliefs on others. Your negative reaction just reinforces that it's not moral. Opinion of what? Going there and innocently doing nothing.

On Samson, for him to commit a big mistake, letting his people down for many years, going blind, being ridiculed by his enemies. He is at his lowest point, yet God grant him his last request taking down with him more Philistines than all

he did put together, how could that not be ok? If I were in the same boat as he is, i would do the same.

His enemies are his God's enemies as well. Why wouldn't God grant him his dying wish? It is to God's advantage as well. If that is your definition of ok, I think you have to re-think or ask your leader if that is the truth. These examples are given to give you hope that you can change if you are already on the same boat. Not to follow the mistakes they made at the present because you can still change at the end. This says it's ok to do immoral/bad stuff now because I can still change later. But it's up to you.

On clubbing, society or religious sects will see the negative. Nude women and drinking is not moral period. It is to up people who go there and define their own moral take on clubbing. Are you the one say I go to clubs but i don't do sex and go overboard on drinking? Who would believe you if not a person who also goes to clubs.

Clubs offer VIPs and barfine, but not everyone engages this, or are you that naive? And what does happen inside the VIP? Would you know every time? For all we know, they just like to sing.

There you go, an admission that it isn't moral. I believe morality is a societal definition, not a personal one. You can't say that it's moral just for me to go to these places when everyone else doesn't agree to it. A personal morality with religious belief?

 

If you just like to sing, then go to a regular karaoke place like Music21 or RedBox or other family KTVs. Why do you need to go to the redlight district? That is why these places are given their reputation. There are other places if you are really doing nothing immoral.

 

Anyway, I've said my piece. I just wanted to know your take on this.

[friendly0603]

f a woman wants to take her clothes off in front of people what is wrong with being paid for it?

 

If a man wants to see a naked woman and that woman is WILLING to strip for him for cash what is wrong with it? Its not as if he is ripping the clothes off a woman who don’t want him to see her naked.

Are you sure you would still say that if it was someone you know or related to you?

[chrispt21]

The finger of morality can be pointed at just about anyone but if none is being harmed in the process what is the big deal?

 

It seems to me that the only people who complain about such are people who don’t want to participate. All I can say to this is why don't we just go live in a dictatorship and dictate what others can't do. Everyone would lose because what is right for some is wrong for others.

[SaintPeter5858]

If it's sexual in nature

[SweetSexyLOVER]

Most of the time yes.

[ladyboy]

lahat naman sex ang habol

[SaintPeter5858]

That's possible

[SaintPeter5858]

INtention of course plays a big role in our judgment.

[mojofreak]

 

Let us face it - clubbing is sexual in nature.

 

If you take clubbing in the context of social sin, then everybody is committing a sin to some extent. However, if you take clubbing in the context of practicality, then I don't see anything wrong with partnering angels and enjoying the night. I think people who haven't experienced clubbing are underestimating the people who work there as well as the people who patronize these establishments.

 

It is really easy for any person looking outside and applying their own biases on clubbing. My suggestion would be - experience it first before judging whether its morally wrong or not. Moreover, there are a lot of variations of clubbing nowadays and it entirely depends on the culture of the club whether they want to stretch out their "services" or not.

 

[friendly0603]

The finger of morality can be pointed at just about anyone but if none is being harmed in the process what is the big deal?

 

It seems to me that the only people who complain about such are people who don’t want to participate. All I can say to this is why don't we just go live in a dictatorship and dictate what others can't do. Everyone would lose because what is right for some is wrong for others.

Actually most of the people who would complain about this are not in this forum. The dictatorship card is the wrong card to play. It's actually society and religion that make the morals that tell you what you should/shouldn't do. What is right is should be right. It's just that morality changes. Slavery was right/acceptable in the olden days but now isn't right. But when it was acceptable, there were no repercussions.

 

Let us face it - clubbing is sexual in nature.

If you take clubbing in the context of social sin, then everybody is committing a sin to some extent. However, if you take clubbing in the context of practicality, then I don't see anything wrong with partnering angels and enjoying the night. I think people who haven't experienced clubbing are underestimating the people who work there as well as the people who patronize these establishments.

 

It is really easy for any person looking outside and applying their own biases on clubbing. My suggestion would be - experience it first before judging whether its morally wrong or not. Moreover, there are a lot of variations of clubbing nowadays and it entirely depends on the culture of the club whether they want to stretch out their "services" or not.

Can morality = practicality in society's context as far as clubbing? Why did the New york mayor and the soldiers lose their position? Ask a religious or some morally upright person to experience it and let me know what his judgement is. As far stretching "services", that's why the reputation of clubs has gained notoriety.

[SaintPeter5858]

It's fine probably if you're single

[BIZMANfan]

You mean I am also immoral?

[SaintPeter5858]

If it's only for relaxation, no problem.

[friendly0603]

If it's only for relaxation, no problem.

If you believe in Jesus/God, there probably is a problem, SaintPeter

[SaintPeter5858]

Yeah, I guess so

[gentle_maniac]

Just keep your cool. The fact that you're irritated is just says that you are really not open to discussion and opinions opposite to yours isn't welcome. Nope, I'm not forcing my beliefs on others. Your negative reaction just reinforces that it's not moral. Opinion of what? Going there and innocently doing nothing.

 

I am irritated because the manner you say things are condescending, i dont mind being told off as long as it is respectful, and don't tell me u don't get comments like this from other topics as well. u are telling that EVERYONE who goes there does something immoral?

 

 

His enemies are his God's enemies as well. Why wouldn't God grant him his dying wish? It is to God's advantage as well. If that is your definition of ok, I think you have to re-think or ask your leader if that is the truth. These examples are given to give you hope that you can change if you are already on the same boat. Not to follow the mistakes they made at the present because you can still change at the end. This says it's ok to do immoral/bad stuff now because I can still change later. But it's up to you.

 

I don't even know what u are saying here.

 

There you go, an admission that it isn't moral. I believe morality is a societal definition, not a personal one. You can't say that it's moral just for me to go to these places when everyone else doesn't agree to it. A personal morality with religious belief?

 

I believe you understand what i meant, i admitted that society and religious sects says it's immoral, why the hel# did i start this topic for?

 

 

 

Edited June 15, 2012 by gentle_maniac

[friendly0603]

I am irritated because the manner you say things are condescending, i dont mind being told off as long as it is respectful, and don't tell me u don't get comments like this from other topics as well. u are telling that EVERYONE who goes there does something immoral?

It's your perception of my posts that is condescending. Actually, not a lot. Some, yes.

I am not telling everyone does immoral things in those places. You don't have to go there if you are really moral. We aren't looking for exceptions here. That is the purpose of those places. So let's not make it like it's a normal place that normal people go to. Because we wouldn't tell our gf/spouse/parents/boss that we are going there to do nothing. Even if you do nothing, the perception is you did something. If you believe in the Catholic God and most religions ban this kind of places, you know it's immoral. Now, if you don't believe in God. Then you are free to go there as you please. Let's just call a spade a spade. Not re-color/edit the spade so that it becomes a heart.

 

I don't even know what u are saying here.

You already forgotten your "be like Samson comment". That's ok to be like him and die for his dying wish which serves God's purpose. That's why it was granted. The stories/lessons in the bible are examples of people who were bad and try to change at the end because they found God. Not for those knowing God and think it's ok to make mistakes now and then change later at the end.

 

i admitted that society and religious sects says it's immoral, why the hel# did i start this topic for?

I think you are trying to find other people who are like you or try to justify getting entertainment in these places with some personal limitations and acceptance. If that's the case, clarify your topic since Clubbing is generic and mostly refers to the immoral things considered by society. There are even people who hire escorts yet do nothing with them.

Edited June 15, 2012 by friendly0603

[asmodeus]

I personally think all these morality mumbo jumbo is just a set of rules ....... whether or not its wrong would depend on whether one believes (or is for) these set of "rules" in the first place.

 

I guess so as long as I'm not hurting anybody, then I guess that should pass.

[SaintPeter5858]

Sometimes, yes.

[BrightestStar]

If you have a wife and kids, it is of course immoral!

[307]

we can always justify our actions....in the end its what matters the most to us.

[monazario]

human conduct in so far as it is freely subordinated to the ideal of what is right and fitting - so the question is really... what is right in our society?... gray area. that's it.

[BrightestStar]

For singles, no problem I guess.

[SaintPeter5858]

It's probably wrong if you're over 30 years old

[friendly0603]

If the intention is evil, then the act becomes negative too

If it's sexual in nature

INtention of course plays a big role in our judgment.

It's fine probably if you're single

If you have a wife and kids, it is of course immoral!

For singles, no problem I guess.

Edited June 20, 2012 by friendly0603